Apologies to Hamilton Accies, I was clearly disrespectful to their chances of taking something last night. They were as strong a domestic opponent as we have seen at Celtic Park this season. Not only were they well organised in defence, they got forward with purpose and drew a stunning save from Fraser Forster minutes before their equaliser. They will not be relegated.
Having taken an early lead, Celtic lacked their usual incision and failed to add a second goal before Scott Brown’s 92nd minute response to Accies 90th minute equaliser. The closing 15 minutes of the game saw Celtic pushed ever-farther back, with Accies enjoying regular possession in the final third. The goal from Ogboe, when it came, was not a surprise and no one grudged the Lanarkshire team what looked like a point.
Celtic wasted no time feeling sorry for themselves. Scott Brown’s winner was not the thunderous last-minute effort he denied Kilmarnock with last season. This time, he resisted an early shot, moved wide left, before finding the far corner from a tighter angle. For once, energy deserted the Hamilton defence, which was unable to close space down, perhaps thinking their job was done. The job is never done against a Celtic team that specialises in last minute winners.
We often think back to that Scott Brown goal in Kilmarnock as pivotal to the 8-in-a-row title. As we left Celtic Park last night and news filtered through of results elsewhere, it felt like an equally pivotal moment. “O Captain! My Captain….for you the flag is flung”. W.W.
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Rarely comment on the politics here but for what it’s worth, this Irishman wants to see Boris get in, erect his sea border and accelerate Irish reunification.
No human being has the right to waste resources if it means another goes without as a result of that waste
Franny
Well at least KT has the consultation of £70k per week
Canamalar –
If we want to have a serious discussion about anything then we need to agree on definitions -otherwise we all talk at cross purposes and any debate soon descends into nonsense. You’ve not provided a clear definition of what you mean by Child Poverty. But the figure you use of c. 4m in Child Poverty aligns with what CPAG describe as Relative Poverty.
Definition of terms is the most important thing at the outset of any debate – too much room for wriggle otherwise.
Re: charity generally – again, I don’t really disagree. Would be an ideal world if it weren’t required. But it is. Without charities, people in need would be left to die. I happily contribute to food collections by Green Brigade and other charities. That’s just a human reaction – not a political statement.
Canamalar @ 9.22pm
I don’t know anyone who doesn’t fail that test.
It may appear to be an utopian ideology but is that any reason not to advocate it?
We have learned from experience for the last 70 years that capitalism cannot work without corruption but that does not stop capitalists like macjay lie about how it can and does work without corruption, he did not even know what the point of equilibrium was (supply meets deman and price/value becomes balance) the whole economic ideology ffs.
Venezuela and Bolivia operated as mixed economies, their infrastructures and major national resources were/are owned by the governments, the exploitation of those resources was used to improve the infrastructure and lives of the populations.
The private sectors of both countries were expanding and making record profits. Those are facts that anyone with the least interest can canfirm with a little research.
Those mixed economies were becoming too successful and providing an alternative model to the corrupt capitalists and needed to be shut down. Now who in any such country would be the most likely to want to change to the corrupt capitalist doctrine and make a killing, literally and figuratively?
Gene,
so that’s OK then, why bother?
How many perfect Christians do you know, should they stop trying and worship the devil because it’s easier?
Boris
Refusing to be interviewed by
Neil
Etchingham
&
ITV, why ?????
Hiding from the truth
Canamalar
That’s a typical response from you making an argument where there is none
I wasn’t criticising your post only putting it in context of today’s attitudes.
Night all
I know it’s a long shot but due to unforeseen circumstances. Looking for 1ticket for Sunday. Hope someone can help. H H Hebcelt
Fort William training stopped due to stags on pitch lol
https://twitter.com/i/status/1202696136483627008
HH
Natknow,
Yer right, and I did use those figures but in my defence I questioned their sources for difinibg and asked about the national poverty statistics. Now can I offer what I think is a reasonable definition and not sure if its defined by CPAG kids that do or would miss a meal or go hungry because their parents do not earn enough to provide.
Your also right without charities many people would go hungry, thank god we’ve got millions of charities with well paid e, ecutives and hunger isathing of the past eh
*** CQN PLAYER OF THE YEAR 2019-20 ***
RESULTS FROM GAME #20 – CELTIC 2 HAMILTON 1 (CHRISTIE, BROWN)
Any of you who know me personally will hopefully testify to my honesty and trustworthiness and for this latest competition I always do my best to send in my own vote first, so that I can’t be accused of being influenced once I see other opinions coming in. Last night at half time I had my own draft email with 3 names ready to go, having struggled to decide who had played really well – it was more along the lines of who had made fewest mistakes. As a rule, I do tend to note my ‘draft’ 3 choices at half time as if I wait until the final whistle, I’m in danger of giving more credit to our last 15 minutes and forgetting about what happened an hour earlier. Anyway, in the 90th minute when Hamilton scored, I took out my anger on my smartphone by simply pressing ‘send’. I now see that out of the total votes cast of 141, my own 3 choices received the combined total of 9!! Was I watching a different game? Or, as I now realise, did I not take account of Fraser’s saves or Broonie’s late winner. My only consolation is that 4 other players received less votes than my own 3 picks!
After the Ross County game, I drew attention to the fact that 95% of voters had included Ryan Christie as one of their picks. That score was topped last night when 45 out of 47 voters (95.7%) went for our Capitano as one of their choices. And, yes, I was one of the 2 who didn’t! Not that Broonie needs the votes or points at the moment 😉
So, thank you to the 47 who voted. The votes for the 14 players who took to the field are as follows (my own choices are asterisked) –
Forster: 26
Bauer*: 2
Bitton: 1
Ajer: 8
Taylor: 5
Brown: 45
McGregor: 7
Christie: 36
Ntcham: 0
Forrest*: 2
Morgan*: 5
Johnston: 3
Griffiths: 1
Frimpong: 0
Unused subs – Gordon, Jullien, Sinclair, Rogic
Therefore, the players receiving points for the Hamilton game are –
Brown – 5 points
Christie – 4 points
Forster – 3 points
Ajer – 2 points
McGregor – 1 point
That leaves the overall table reading as follows –
Brown – 45 points
Christie – 36 points
Edouard – 32 points
Forrest – 26 points
Elyounoussi – 22 points
Frimpong – 22 points
McGregor – 21 points
Jullien – 20 points
Forster – 15 points
Bolingoli-Mbombo – 13 points
Bauer – 11 points
Ajer – 9 points
Ntcham – 9 points
Elhamed – 8 points
Hayes – 7 points
Taylor – 5 points
Bitton – 3 points
Bayo – 3 points
Morgan – 2 points
Rogic – 1 point
And so our thoughts can now turn to Sunday. If the game happens to include extra time and/or penalties then, of course, the players’ performances during those can feature in your decisions. Voting opens as soon as the cup has been won/lost and will remain open until 10pm on Sunday. Try to vote BEFORE starting any celebrations!
Hail Hail
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 5TH DECEMBER 2019 10:05 PM
Natknow,
Yer right, and I did use those figures but in my defence I questioned their sources for difinibg and asked about the national poverty statistics. Now can I offer what I think is a reasonable definition and not sure if its defined by CPAG kids that do or would miss a meal or go hungry because their parents do not earn enough to provide.
Your also right without charities many people would go hungry, thank god we’ve got millions of charities with well paid e, ecutives and hunger isathing of the past eh
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Cheers mate.
Think CPAG would possibly say that kids who don’t get meals are in “deprivation” rather than “poverty” – which may amount to about £100k kids in the U.K. And as we agree – that’s still FAR too many.
Re: charities generally – I also abhor the way that, what used to be (literally) charity work has become another trough for people to take quarter of a million quid per annum while their personnel are raping kids in foreign territories. The hegemony of management culture, I’d suggest. I don’t support any of those.
Years ago an accountant and Celtic fan I worked with told me he never gave money to the Salvation Army, because he’d scrutinised their accounts and saw how much they spent on trumpets. At the time I laughed, thinking he was just making a simple joke. Now I know what he means – too many charities are for the benefit of those running them.
All that said, I’ll still give to Mary’s Meals and stick tins in a food bank collection – you have a better idea of where it’s going.
To round off, I reiterate my original point – definition of terms is crucial when entering debate. :-)
Cheers for the discussion mate.
Hail hail.
Gene,
I know it was only a contextual observation but it was resigned to defeat and why bother so often used by hunfiltrators on here thaykeeptelking usit will always be the same, and before you take umbrige I did not callyou a hun.
I take it as a compliment, since the argument was perfect in logic and you have no response but to try and dismiss it with deflection, cheers.
No one is perfect but it should not stop us trying to be. I mean why do football players try to get better when they are already professional football players?
Trying to improve should not be limited to sportsmen or professions.
Right now the biggest on in the world os being played out and everyone that says what can I do ispartofthat con.
I was the other one. And also put Morgan ahead of Broony. I’m ok with my decision and expected Broony would get top place without my vote.
My other two picks got 2nd and 3rd place.
Natknow,
Sorry pal but I think we both know the number is far higher than anything any UK charity is telling us, they after all have to make it look like they are having an impact while maintaining that charity contributes enough to help deal with the crisis. They want govt investment not replaced. The want to become institutions therefore depend on its very existence. Especially capitalists.
We also have those surveyed who are too proud to tell the truth which will far outnumber those who want rewarded for claiming they suffer.
So, regardless of definitions the metrics and means of gathering, the metrics will always impact on declared numbers. Just the questions asked will make a massive difference. Do you honestly think a tory govt in charge of the national poverty statisticd collection is going to approve the right questions coming up to an election?
Do you believe the unemployment or I flatiron figures right now?
When most of the work force in the country still don’t earn as much as they did in 2006/7 before they took paycuts to preserve their jobs. Do you believe the hype that the current economy is better than then as the torys are telling us?
Inflation
Maybe I should repost the results again tomorrow as they’re prbably lost within the much more serious debates of the last 2 pages….
3 more sleeps till 10 (trophies) in a row
In other news , SMSM dig up every hun/ex hun they can find to tell us that Sevco are going to end our domination , starting Sunday.
If ever we needed to fire up the team……..
Natknow,
Just found this from March in the independent and think if this is what they are admitting, what is the real number.
“Ministers are facing renewed pressure to lift the benefit freeze after a study by University College London (UCL) revealed some youngsters were surviving on just over £2 a day for food. Others, who come from the most severely deprived families, simply do not eat during the day, the research found.
It comes after government figures last week revealed that the number of children living in absolute poverty across the UK – a figure that had been gradually falling since 2012 – had increased by 200,000 in a year to a total of 3.7 million.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hild-poverty-uk-children-hunger-hungry-meals-low-income-families-benefits-a8848041.html
Definition of Absolute Poverty
Absolute poverty refers to a condition where a person does not have the minimum amount of income needed to meet the minimum requirements for one or more basic living needs over an extended period of time. This includes things like:
Food:
Adults who have a body mass index that is below 17, or children who are over three standard deviations below a certain age/weight/height criteria
Safe drinking water:
Having to use surface water (i.e. rivers or streams), or having to spend at least 30 minutes to collect water from some source
Sanitation facilities:
Lack of access to any type of toilet facility
Health:
Lack of access to any type of health care, including immunizations, prenatal care, or treatment for serious illnesses
Shelter:
Kids who live in places where there are more than four people to a room, adults who live in places with more than three people to a room, or adults and children who live in places with no floors
Education:
School-age children who have not in the past or are not currently in school, or adults who have not attended school and cannot read or write
Information:
Lack of access to any type of media, including radio, television, or computer
Access to services:
Lack of access to schools, health services, etc.
Living in absolute poverty is harmful and can endanger your life. The standards set for absolute poverty are the same across countries. When it was established in 1990,the world bank set the global absolute poverty line as living on less than $1 a day.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/what-is-absolute-poverty-definition-causes-examples.html
There’s yer inflation right there, the poor got a pay rise from $1 a day up to £2 in 2019 it’s over 3 times dearer to be poor 29 years later
NORRIEM on 5TH DECEMBER 2019 9:52 PM
Boris
Refusing to be interviewed by
Neil
Etchingham
&
ITV, why ?????
Hiding from the truth
——–
Dominic Cummings wants to avoid another Prince Andrew like car crash.
In other words, do not put a moron in an interview with an intelligent person.
GLENDALYSTONSILS:
What’s an ex Hun?Pretty sure once one always one….now I would not have a problem with ex celt, plenty of them( players of course) knocking about.
Quick shout out to Jobo for taking the time to converse with me in email today. Made a crappy day at work a little better.
Seems my top three (from 60 mins of the game) matched everyone else’s thoughts. So much for my free mind.
Have made the mistake of getting involved in politics on here in the past and do not plan on doing so again MJ and Frim should start on Sunday. We need some gallusness and fearlessness and running without fear.
HH!
Mac
Not a good voting night for Jobo.
My selections were all endorsed by the body of the blog.
We are the sheeple.
And so the countdown begins, only 2 1/2 days to go for my hand jiggling friends, if you read this at midnight tonight.
Neil will stall on team selection at his press conference, Friday
I could probably name 7 certain starters
Brown…. First name on the team sheet, fresh from his slalom course through Hamilton’s defence.
Forster….La Gran Muralla, who has an offer from Trump to stand on the Mexican border.
McGregor. Omnipresent and omnipotent
Christie. …. The Energizer Bunny, he keeps on going and going, and scoring and scoring.
AJER…………The Norwegian Spruce who lights up for Christmas
Julienne……A cut above the rest
Forrest……..The escaped Prestwick goat with a threat in each foot.
The rest will be dependent on availability.
Eddie the silent assassin who’s Odsonne to score. Will he return from Lourdes on time?
Leigh Griffiths on the bench, behind French Eddie or on the park with a point, or three, to prove.
Rogic who likes to score against der Hun, and has them nicely tucked inside his marsupial pouch.
Frimpong or Bauer? Crockett or Tubbs? Maybe there’s a case for both of them on opposite wings.
Mikey Johnston or Liam Morgan? Who will get chosen to use Eddie’s spare Gillette blade?
Ntcham? A riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Will he turn up if he’s turned out?
Hayes has confessed to a CQNer he has no chance of being fit. So a 90% chance he will start.
Finally the elusive Mo, who would love to send the Huns defence to Jahannam, but will probably be still on the treatment table.
Unless of course Neil is leading the press up the garden path.
He wouldn’t do that would he?
COYBIG
After Adeste Fideles last night it’s only fair to have the Celtic version
To avoid criticism of toxic masculinity, (Yeah right) the Celtic Woman version
https://youtu.be/FtTj7ZMzK0w
I see Eddie Wolecki Black is leaving as manager of Celtic Ladies team.
Loved reading the suggestions on social media on his replacement.
Loads of different names, but the one comment that brought a smile to my face this cold windy morning was : “McAvennie is ready”
HH to all, the journey continues.
Good morning CQN from a dark, chilly but dry at the moment Garngad
So Sevco are still confident about Sunday, and why not they have a squad worth £110 million according to the Lying King, who doesn’t have anything to do with Sevco anymore. Aye right.
I hope we have Elyanoussi, French Eddie and El Hamed back to give Neil some more quality to pick from.
We need to be right at them from the start by right at them I mean move the ball quickly and keep a hold of it, also dictate the tempo whilst not getting caught on the counter.
I am sure we will.
COYBIG
HH
D. :)
Good morning, friends and a Big Happy FRiday from a rain swept, windy, dark and dreich East Kilbride. Looking forward to Neil’s press conference today (how sad am I?) and hoping that someone will post the full unedited one on here later on. Keep them guessing, Neil!
My friends in Celtic,
I really like Leigh Griffiths and I wish him well. I also think my club Celtic have handled his situation with respect, support and compassion.
From a purely football perspective I would have thought Leigh would have stepped up to the mark to replace French Eddie. This has not happened for whatever reason and I think we have a decision to make in January.
No matter what happens we need a fully fit and ready back up ( and eventual replacement) for Edouard.
I really hope Odsonne is fit for Sunday, he is a wonderful player and I’m just going to sit back and enjoy every minute we have him.
HH.
Good morning CQN
Jobo- who else seen Bauer, Forrest and Morgan as top 3 on Wed night
Definitely at a different game from me 😂
NATKNOW on 5TH DECEMBER 2019 8:16 PM
“Each year, the Government publishes a survey of income poverty in the UK called Households Below Average income (HBAI). This survey sets the poverty line in the UK at 60 per cent of the median UK household income. In other words, if a household’s income is less than 60 per cent of this average, HBAI considers them to be living in poverty. This is the definition of relative poverty, whereas absolute poverty is where a household’s income is less than 60 per cent of the median as it stood in 2011.
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It appears that whoever you are quoting is unaware of the difference between median and average.
Greenpinata 7.35am
Agree with you, but really think Neil knows how to manage this one on and off the park, selfishly I want the wee man on the park banging in the goals with a smile on his face again… but think Neil doesn’t want to heap too much pressure on him, this is why 10mins here, 20mins there… who knows but a fit Leigh Griffiths is great news for Celtic fans … beware wee Collum in Sunday and remember he doesn’t even have to see a foul to give a penalty he can actually “hear” the foul :-)
CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 5TH DECEMBER 2019 9:48 PM
It may appear to be an utopian ideology but is that any reason not to advocate it?
We have learned from experience for the last 70 years that capitalism cannot work without corruption but that does not stop capitalists like macjay lie about how it can and does work without corruption, he did not even know what the point of equilibrium was (supply meets deman and price/value becomes balance) the whole economic ideology ffs.
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Time to put up . Cana .
A serious accusation .
Please specify precisely where I lied .
Big Judith looking sleek this morning.
Macjay,
Looks to me like they cap income at the 60% of median and reevaluate the average, this is then used as baseline for further calcs
Excuse me macjay
Are you now agreeing capitalism cannot work without corruption
https://johnjamessite.com/
john james supposedly reported huns for racist chanting in Rotterdam
Hopefully something comes of this