Absolutely tons of positives and one negative, from last night. I’ll leave the negative until tomorrow as the other ten players were just so good and I might have calmed down a bit by then.
Despite allowances made for the calibre of Alashkert, Moussa Dembele and Odsonne Edouard were unplayable last night. Moussa got the Man of the Match award, probably for his two goals, but Odsonne was more deserving. His ability to create space by drawing players towards him by running with the ball was the most significant aspect of the game.
The no. 7 role at Celtic has never been an easy shift, even Jinky learned this in his early days, but James Forrest pace and stamina make him the archetype modern version of the wide right player. James is a player you cannot get too close too. His speed forces defenders to stand off. Get too close and he will be away from you before you know he has moved.
Defenders need to double up on him. Again, creating space elsewhere. And then there’s his goals.
Olivier Ntcham is unrecognisable from the player he was a year ago. The next challenge will be to get him kick on from here. The window of opportunity with French youth players will a little tighter than in previous years, but we have an attractive story to tell to talent swimming in that pool. I hope we continue to fish there.
Loved the new LED floodlights, although we will not get their full effect until the entertainment pack is loaded and games take place in darkness. The new speakers are loud. Not Fir Park stairwell loud, but clearly audible in the North Stand Upper.
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Are we having a wee Celtic Summer Quiz sometime tonight?
I’m sure MAHETHEMADMAN wouldn’t pull our leg about such a serious subject. I’ll try to get out my cot a bit earlier than usual. Might miss any extra time due to work!
Auldheid @ 10:54
”The real significance here is that in mid May TRFC said accusations around activity at end of March 2011 were groundless.
The SFA were presented with information that suggested otherwise, which would have been passed to TRFC for comment.
They have not disputed that evidence but have instead said SFA are not in a position to rule on the matter and have contended that the Notice of Complaint must be determined by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
That is more than welcome and is a point that was made to Celtic when told the SFA Comp Off was going to investigate that input would be needed from UEFA and HMRC for a correct decision to be made.
What is not clear, because what goes to CAS has still to be agreed, is whether TRFC are claiming that the 5 Way is in effect a pardon for RFC’s misdeeds or that the licence was granted and monitored as UEFA intended their rules to be applied.
If the latter then CAS have already ruled on similar cases for Malaga in 2012 and Giannina in 2013 where they upheld UEFA’s decision that both clubs were in breach of UEFA FFP in similar circumstances and in Giannina case should not have been granted a licence in March.
It would be up to CAS to decide if there was a difference in the RFC application that made the grant legit. If not and extracts of both Giannina and Malaga cases were provided to SFA two weeks ago, then an overdue payable did exist and how RFC got around that will become subject to CAS scrutiny and as a result UEFA scrutiny who don’t like being lied to. Its a risk TRFC will be taking but if licence granted legitimately then that is all Res12 asked to establish. If not that is up to God knows whom to decide on sanctions.
If TRFC are arguing that the 5 Way pardons them from sins of RFC, that puts 5 Way under CAS scrutiny and given that one part at least, the transfer of SFA Membership from RFC to TRFC/Newco conflicts with a UEFA Regulation designed to protect the integrity of UEFA competition (Article 12) then the integrity of the 5 Way comes under question.
Bottom line is this has to go to CAS and Celtic need to be more pro active in ensuring all factors are considered, because as matters stand TRFC are accusing Celtic shareholders of being trouble makers and Celtic and CSA and CST, who have been briefed, simply cannot let that go unchallenged . Celtic should welcome CAS adjudication and not let SFA off the hook by not insisting SFA take the matter to CAS in order to satisfy their shareholders all was handled as UEFA intended in their rules.
If Celtic do not do that then Neganon2 has a new follower.”
Well, this is a big development and the escalation can only be good if, the Authorities drive it forward and all the evidence from the “investigations” are taken into account and presented as evidence. Yet it seems Sevco Rangers took the view this was not a matter for the SFA to determine but for CAS. They argued, apparently successfully, that the SFA had no jurisdiction to hear this case and that the Notice of Complaint must be determined by CAS…
Preliminary Tribunal Hearing Outcome: The Judicial Panel convened a preliminary hearing relating to the above case on June 26 2018.
This preliminary issue raised by Rangers FC challenged the jurisdiction of the Scottish FA’s Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal to hear the case, and contended that the Notice of Complaint must be determined by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Having received submissions on 26 June the Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal have issued a decision upholding the preliminary issue raised by the club. The Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal proposes to continue consideration of the complaint until parties consider next steps and terms of reference for any remit to CAS.
Now this could be a decision of Brysonesque proportions? A sham, an abuse and a travesty.
The promised investigation into the granting of the 2011 Licence has, as you know, Regan’s MO all over it. Control the scope and the timelines of the investigation, then the extent and terms of the evidence to be presented to any tribunal.
Now it seems to me that you guys were alive to this…
Yet they seem to be suggesting, that they HAVE secretly and privately investigated all aspects of the issuing of the Licence and despite all the evidence to the contrary and the testimony of Rangers Directors sworn in Court they could find no evidence to suggest rules were broken…
…this is despite, as you have pointed out on several occasions HMRC looking upon the wee tax case, the cover up and the subsequent failure to pay as tantamount to fraud.
What you Res 12 guys have done; the pressure you brought to bear, the resolution(s) you raised and the evidence you uncovered is what brought us here. Yet it is worth considering the specifics of this current so called investigation.
It was brought about by calls from many including, Celtic, the SPFL and a multitude of others for a Judicial Review into the facts and the handling of the Rangers’ affairs.
It culminated in a series of correspondence between Celtic (PL) and the SFA (SR) after all the “kick the can down the road” court cases were completed. Reading the whole correspondence is worth doing but a reminder of a couple of paragraphs that Stewart Regan wrote to Peter Lawwell…
“The Scottish FA has also noted media reports concerning the testimony in Court of two former directors of Rangers FC regarding “overdue payables” to HMRC (known as the “Wee Tax Case”) and relating to a Discounted Option Scheme. The alleged statements, if true, might have implications in context of the UEFA Licence to Oldco in April 2011 and in respect of the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations.”
…”The Board noted your request for transparency, accountability and leadership and, in this regard seeks your permission to publish your letter and our response to it to ensure that all those with an interest in the game in Scotland are fully appraised of the background to and the reasons for the Scottish FA’s position.”
Now a few things we should note…
The SFA promised an investigation into the granting of a UEFA Licence to Rangers in 2011. They did this because the evidence of Rangers wrongdoing was damning and they were trying to avert calls for a necessary wide ranging independent review of the wrongdoing at Ibrox and the way the Scottish football authorities dealt with it,
It is also well worth pointing out that although they rejected the wide scale review, they accepted due to the evidence that had reached the public domain, that an investigation into the granting of the 2011 Licence must be undertaken. They also stated that “TRUST” had to be restored.
Where are we, getting on for a year later…
We have yet another cover up…
Where is the 2011 Licence investigation… exactly in the same place as the SFA LNS Inquiry (that looked into DOS/EBTs but no evidence was subsequently submitted to the JPDT)
Where is the current JPDT Preliminary tribunal hearing report? Is it to be published?
And the huge one – Why doesn’t the SFA have jurisdiction on the granting of a UEFA Licenece?
The only way that Sevco Rangers could have successfully argued that the SFA had no authority to look into this issue is IMO, if the licencing issue was not presented to the JPDT.
The SFA were and are the licencing authority for the issuing of the licence, it’s ridiculous to suggest that they don’t have jurisdiction.
Unless of course the Compliance Officer conducted a sham investigation like the previous ones, he did not present the very convincing evidence that Rangers were in breach of the rules when applying and receiving the 2011 licence. Instead the ONLY evidence he submitted to the preliminary JPDT was after the fact, covering Craig Whyte’s tenure. That period WOULD be covered by the 5 way agreement – the granting of the licence (and lets remind ourselves this is what this investigation was all about) would NOT be covered by the 5 way agreement.
So if what the JPDT preliminary hearing was presented with and determined is after the licence was granted and is regarded the whole of the affair, the Compliance Officer must have restricted the evidence to the Craig Whyte period.
There MUST be a clause in the 5 way agreement that states in a case of dispute that CAS is the authority to determine any impasse between the SFA, Rangers and Sevco Rangers. A quite ridiculous state of affairs.
If the evidence is to be presented to CAS, it must not be the evidence, scope and timeline cherry picked by Sevco and the SFA to allow Rangers off the hook. It must be ALL the evidence that has been collected during a thorough investigation and properly prosecuted by competent Consel.
Hail Hail
Great reading this morning bhoys
Two overnight thoughts from me
Firsty it is noticeable and notable that the sfa gives no reason for the CAS referral in their notice. Why not? What are they trying to hide?
Secondly this is what the Hun wanted. So you shouldn’t view this move with any confidence.
Anyway as I said last night. The ship on the big stuff has shamefully sailed. Celtic have done nothing.
CHAIRBHOY
It’s not the original crime that does for you,it’s the cover-up.
As I mentioned earlier,we need to prove that the people in charge of the 5WA were acting illegally. Shouldn’t be too difficult,there were rules in place at the time re pyramid structure and replacements in the case of an insolvency event.
Also precedents.
Every law,rule,regulation that lot broke has been ignored. The people who ignored it were paid by Scottish football to enforce every law,rule,regulation. That means corruption,not-yer in the clear.
Honestly,this is getting like Jimmy Hoffa and The Teamsters Union. Has anyone seen Stewart Regan since he left the building?
BMCUW, bobby this is Scotland say no more.hh.
Have they not suffered enough
CHAIRBHOY
Perhaps some interested party at the SFA suggested the CAS route to the huns???
I seem to remember the maddy that runs FC Sion here tried to kick the can down the road to local courts and the CAS much to the chagrin of UEFA only to end up losing any way.
So much depends on the locus of the facts presented to the CAS and I fail to see how that would be up to Sevco to decide that of course they would present a Sevco version.
The moment of truth has arrived.
BIGPACKY
I’ve mentioned my uber-hun bestie on here a few times. Doyen of the Louden and The Bristol back in the day,but we hit it off fine. Shared a place for a couple of years till he decided to eff off to Penzance in 2008.
So I drove Jimmy down,235 miles wi all his gear,to a place that frankly should be closed to any form of civilisation. And probably is.
Three years later,I made the 470 mile round trip to bring him back again. By which time,it’s obvious that the huns are going the way of Lehman Bros. as I’m having a go on the Lappy before we head for a sesh.
“Ah,faffoff,you’ve been telling me this for years,never happen,youse lot forget who runs this place. And it’s no yooz.”
Bang to rights,Jimmy.
Our side NEED to go for the jugular now-based on the last,oh,twenty years.
It’s not enough for them anymore to say that we cannot upset the huns,they might come looking for us in our gated compounds.
Stop using that as an excuse,cos yer pissing off the troops.
Delaneys Dunky on 19th July 2018 9:48 pm
Monaghan
They are a dying breed. My 4 kids all have friends whose dads are masons or in an orange order. Their friends laugh and mock their father’s culture. Young Protestant team are not interested. They realise it is Glasgow 2018 they are living in, and not Boyne 1690. Thankfully.
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I think slowly it is dying out but it wouldnt surprise me if those kids turned out just as bad. Seen it many times before. Adult bigots weren’t always bigots, they picked it up somewhere…
HH
Did we really pay our chief executive over £1m pa to ignore the fact that we were being cheated out of a possible £20m pa for three-at least!-years?
Just asking. Personally,if I was being taken for a ride,I would be grateful for all the people who pointed it out to me. And I’d have a a right whack-from my position of strength,remember,I’m King of The Jungle-but haw joost ignore it it it’ll go away talk to all the right people and schmooze them.
NOT ONE SINGLE CELTIC-MINDED WEBSITE/BLOG WAS ACTUALLY STARTED TO SUPPORT THE BOARD.
Time yeez remembered that. It’s like Pravda at times. We are getting into the vinegar strokes of their cheating. The board-OUR BOARD!!!!!-are silent.
Who will support their silence by refusing to speak out?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5972743/Lewis-Morgan-miss-Celtics-Champions-League-qualification-campaign.html
http://www.thefootballlife.co.uk/post/176081986181/rangers-osijek-europa-league-preview
A look at Rangers’ next Europa assignment
Neg Anon
What exactly is your objection to the Labour Party’s departure from the Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definiton of anti-semitism?
The HRA did valuable work in defining anti-semitism and providing exemplars of it, but is it to be forever accepted as gospel or as unimprovable?
The HRA definition, which is only 2 years old, and was always intended to be a non-legally binding definition is:-
“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
Can you see no problems of consistency between the first and second sentence above? The first sentence sets a tone and the second sentence backtracks to include non-Jews (who may or may not be semitic).
In their exemplars of contemporary examples of anti-semitism, most are very good and non-controversial (unless you have racialist tendencies) but there is one which is troubling:-
“Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.”
That conflates two issues- the existence of Israel (and its continuing right to exist), and the laws which the State of Israel makes now and in its future. It is a potential blank cheque.
The Netanyahu government, encouraged by Trump’s embassy decision, has introduced a new Nationality Law recently. This has been criticised by Israel’s Arab minority as “racist and verging on apartheid”. Are they guilty of anti-semitism? In a few years time, they will constitute 25% of Israel’s population? And that is without mentioning the enforced Arab diaspora and the 2-state solution and those Jews who disapprove of the existence of an Israeli or Jewsh state.
We come back to that difficult distinction between sectarianism and racism. It is difficult because modern genetic research has removed so much of the unjustly held distinctions between races ( we are all wonderfully mongrel). But there are, surely?, grounds to question whether the Israeli state is being sectarian with this new law but the HRA definition can conflate the attempts to criticise sectarianism as having racist overtones.
From Wiki “In the racialist classifications of Carleton S. Coon I kid you not , the Semitic peoples were considered to be members of the Caucasian race, not dissimilar in appearance to the neighbouring Indo-European, Northwest Caucasian, and Kartvelian-speaking peoples of the region. As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the religions (ancient Semitic and Abrahamic) and Semitic-speaking ethnicities as well as the history of these varied cultures as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution.
Some recent genetic studies have found (by analysis of the DNA of Semitic-speaking peoples) that they have some common ancestry. Although no significant common mitochondrial results have been found, Y-chromosomal links between Semitic-speaking peoples of the Middle East like Arabs, Jews, Mandaeans, Samaritans, and Assyrians/Syriacs have shown links, despite differences contributed from other groups (see Y-chromosomal Aaron).
A DNA study of Jews and Palestinian Arabs (including Bedouins) found that these were more closely related to each other than to neighboring Arabs.
Genetic studies indicate that modern Jews (Ashkenazi, Sephardic and Mizrahi specifically), Levantine Arabs, Assyrians/Syriacs, Samaritans, Maronites, Druze, Mandaeans, and Mhallami, all have an ancient indigenous common Near Eastern heritage which can be genetically mapped back to the ancient Fertile Crescent, but often also display genetic profiles distinct from one another, indicating the different histories of these peoples.”
Wiki also states that “The terms “anti-Semite” or “antisemitism” came by a circuitous route to refer more narrowly to anyone who was hostile or discriminatory towards Jews in particular”
Should we be using the terminology of anti-Judaism?
Anyway, there has been a lot of distortion and, frankly, bad reporting of the Labour Party’s recent effort. It merits a more informed criticism. There are racists of all hues in all parties and there will be elements of anti-Zionism and abti-Israel sentiments which have developed into anti-Jewish thoughts and actions amongst Labour Party members, but I doubt that the newly developed definition (which is also improvable) can legitimately be described as anti-semitic.
Back to work now- will catch replies later
That’s better.
This morning ‘blows’ a coming left, right and centre. Celtic are in ‘crises’.
Wonder how many ‘ I’d drive him to the airport myself ‘ posts we’ll get the day?
STARRY PLOUGH @ 8 39 .
For what it’s worth- I was never convinced that the guy at Sion was interested in “winning ” . I think that saga was much more of an exercise designed to to expose the inner workings of UEFA and illustrate the depths that UEFA were prepared to go to in order to maintain control of European Football.The end result was a clear illustration that UEFA is a self serving organization who don’t give a fig for natural justice . The wee trips to CAS did nothing other than confirm the perspective that when it comes to things -football – CAS is nothing more than a rubber stamp .
Scorchio Scorchio -Way down south . -Beach time –
https://youtu.be/_StYP_A0YiQ
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KTF
Anthony Stokes signs for Iranian side
what could possibly go wrong csc
It’s been a interesting read over the Celtic blogs. Some alluding to the. thought that referral to CAS may be a technical masterstroke by their lawyers. That will be the same technical geniuses who setup their retail deal, aye that fearsome bunch of incompetents.
I have noidea what our Board will do next regards Res 12,but something HAS to be done.We always thought,and hoped there would come a time when they would say”OK,enough is enough”.That time has now come.Wemust have access to the “Notice of complaint”that will be laid before CAS.I fear that the dates will be doctored,ALA,The Nimmo Smith Inquiry.The thing is,there are still vast swathes of our fans who either don’t know,don’t really care,about Res 12,for whatever reason.Something has to be done to unite the fans to let this Board know the line has been draw in the sand.Banners around theStadium on Wednesday night would be a good start.The GB should not be averse to this.
So many things this Board do right,but on this episode in our history,so far their response has been abysmal.They still have time ,but the sands are running out quickly.
Who would win in fight between Rosenborg and Rosenberg?
I’m confused.
UEFA said ol Rangers would have been punished by them but didn’t exist anymore to be punished. correct?
Res 12 was about taking SFA to task about their procedures. correct?
Letters released show the board were asking for answers much earlier than had been thought. Correct?
Should the focus of our attention not be on the SFA and that CAS look to take action against the SFA.
Is there a move to focus on oldco sins to give the SFA the perfect squirrel?
QF
SETTINGFREETHEBEARS
I admit to not being happy re our case on anti-Semitism. It should not EVER be a problem.
The early Labour Party was built on the efforts of intellectual Jews,and bloody hard-working navvies.,miners,riveters,etc.
There have been too many cases of anti-semitism reported. There have been too many swept under the carpet. Certainly too many for it to be a coincidence,a lie,a figment of the imagination.
Sort it or lose votes. That’s the simple answer.
Sort it quickly,otherwise you’ve lost mine.
Rubentus have sold 60 million euros worth of Ronaldo jerseys in 24hrs.
I would wager my life that the CAS thing is a stitch up between the huns and the sfa.
On what basis can TRFC determine that the SFA is not the competent authority to decide upon this issue? Every club in membership of the SFA has to abide by the statutes of the SFA/SPFL. Before it goes any further, the question should be asked as to whether or not an individual club can pick and choose what elements of the statutes etc they will decide to follow (follow). Not that I am against it going to CAS, indeed that is welcome if it turns out that way. But, and a big but at that, Celtic must be proactive here to ensure that the correct information is provided to CAS, and not rely on the “good faith ” of the SFA to do the right thing. If not the case, then I’ll be joining the “I’m out ” camp. This is a critical moment in the history of Celtic Football Club, please don’t let us down. Should it turn out that way, I’ll be heartbroken, but enough is enough. The golf lessons will come in useful. HH
Under the relevant SFA articles, only two punishments are facing Rangers if they are found guilty – a £5,000 fine or a £10,000 penalty and suspension from football for a year.
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Sod SFA articles. Suspend them for a year? Bin them for life,tell the world how much they cheated.
Hibs moved safely into the next round with a straight sets win 6 – 1 6 – 4
The Exiled Tim @ 1010
I would tend to agree.
I am not familiar with how CAS works, but the most important question is: who is putting the case for the prosecution?
If it is the SFA then the case is as good as closed.
BMCUW @ 10.03 .
My mother (RIP ) was a secular Jew . She did not adhere to the faith of Judaism . Still enough for me to be entitled to refer to myself a Jew (should I want ) and give me the right to go and live in Israel. (should I want )
My mother hated Zionism (as do I) but also hated the covert Labour Party line(as do I ) that all Jews could never be trusted in consequence of the perception that all Jews owe allegiance to the state of Israel.. A common belief which simply is not true . Student Common room tossers like Corbyn are merely the modern manifestation of that covert line.
Exiled Tim
Your life is safe!!!
KINGLuBO
bournesouprecipe on 20th July 2018 9:55 am
Anthony Stokes signs for Iranian side
what could possibly go wrong csc
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I don’t think Elvis is big in Iran.
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 20TH JULY 2018 9:47 AM
Wonder how many ‘ I’d drive him to the airport myself ‘ posts we’ll get the day?
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Wouldn’t mind being driven to an airport myself. Could do with a wee holiday, now that the rain has returned to Donegal.
SOUTH OF TUNIS
Yep part of his ongoing battle to be the Top Dog From Valais with Sepp Blatter, no love lost between those two.
HH
And, it is long overdue for the SFA to grow a pair, and deal with the matter. How long does the rest of Scottish football have to put up with this pandering to a certain demographic? I’m not holding my breath, but I do so wish that it could be different. Aff oot tae bash some gowf baws – at the Range, not at Carnoustie you understand – although it’s just doon the road! HH
Supposedly Rosenberg have sacked their manager.
Yep, I’m just up.:))))