Neil Lennon seemed hurt by the performance yesterday. “Some of [the players]look like their minds are elsewhere at other clubs.
“I don’t know if they have been tapped up, I don’t know where they are mentally, but you can tell by their body language they are not with us at the minute and I’ll have to sort that out.”
“I have pulled them out of places that no-one had heard of and put them in the shop window.
“And I want payback now. That is simply not good enough.”
Those of you of a certain age might have thought that sounded a bit like:
“You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar, when I met you. I picked you out, I shook you up and turned you around, turned you into someone new.”
Of course, that girl from the Human League retorted:
“I was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar, that much is true. But even then I knew I’d find a much better place, either with or without you.”
As Human League declared in verse, talent will find its level, but only if it performs. It doesn’t matter where they came from, players who cannot excel in the SPL will drift into relative obscurity on leaving Celtic. There has been no exception to this rule.
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Obviously the gemme is up, life is a cheap greed-fest, loyalty is something you get on a card.
Some days now i’m glad I’m dying.
This life is rife with wrong and if you saw the way I’m being treated to manage terminal cancer you wouldn’t believe it.
Miaow miaow miaow, good little pussycat must die just like IDS says he must, just like that parcel of rank orange scumbags led by Ogilivie say Scuttish football must die coz the wee orange loyalist murdering scum don’ t get it all their own way……IMMEDIATELY.
But that’s all okay coz we’re in the Euro shopping window.
I bet Jinky’s burlin’ in his grave.
P8ddy
Anton working as a golf pro now!
Cheers all. Goodnight and god bless.
mighty tim
charlie?
butsybhoy
22:52 on 10 March, 2013
FGF
yes thats the same guy u and bongorbhole/mighty tim.from the maryhill/the valley/gilshy/butney..
I’m from Maryhill mate , went to The Columba with Neily W’s ( hope we are talking about same guy ) Bhoy .
Got me into a game against the cheats when I lost my ticket , God knows how he managed it :-)))
Remember remember remember……..whit? 1967. 7-1. 6-2. The odd anomaly. Tims in a rank rotten orange nation.
Top of a rotten tree.
I’m done with it all. Sold crap for crapola year in year out to enrich the rich.
John Reid…..war criminal on out board?
Time to rip the whole thing up and start again.
Ntassoolla…
Roy Aitken was mentioned as an example of leadership. Celtic fans accepted the shortcomings because of what they did bring to the party.
What did Roy bring to the party? Several first and second round exits in Europe for one. And a Rangers team who won the league more often than not. Not all Roys fault, but then I didn’t suggest it was. What I said was that he was lacking in quality. Results during that era support my opinion.
Taking apart a Celtic hero with the penmanship of a frustrated primary school teacher correcting the homework is pure tosh.
I’m always respectful on here. I always try and remember that we are part of the same collective with the same hopes and dreams. Kindly reciprocate that respect or at least argue on facts rather than resorting to childish insults.
And a higher opinion of primary school teachers wouldn’t go amis either.
/p
bognorbhouyle
Johnk K
HH
Jude 2005
L Griffiths would probably have shown more effort and enthusiasm than Hooper yesterday.
And would hve been more aware he was in a team sport than Stokes who after returning from injury was a great team contributor but sadly in last 2 games has returned to his old selfish ways.
I have no idea wether Leigh Griffiths is good enough to play for Celtic.
Sipsini, from earlier, the demographics of CQN are old beggars like me and you.
P67 will confirm. …PFAyr is correct regarding that.
Youth, nah, I have met a fair few CQNers now, only one in their 30’s, most plus 45, makes me a youngster! 46 next month.
Still don’t believe CRC and MWD are younger than me.
HardpaperroundCSC.
garygillespie He did indeed own said establishment and was partial to the odd 6-12 haufs.
HH
Miki 67.
Stay strong mate.
The battle with thems will continue long after we’re but a melted snowdrop.Hail Hail.
kikinthenakas
Anton working as a golf pro now!
That’s nice to know. Thank you. I’ve often wondered what he was doing. :)
It’s common for elite sportsmen to be very good at a number of sports. Gary Lineker could have been a world rated golfer or snooker player apparently. Hand eye coordination is an amazing thing!
If my father was still alive, I imagine armed with that knowlege, there would be a quest to find the club Anton works from and a visit arranged. :)
/p
butsybhoy. I am from Maryhill and drank in the Kessie for years. I might be wrong but are you a mate of barcabhoy and were in bar67 around new year with a crowd of mates. If so I know you.
HH
PeteC, I hope Celtic make the last 8 in the CL next season, but I don’t expect it.
We strive to progress each year, but we won’t, no one does, if that happened who would loose?
Just watching MotD2 presenter just said there is a lot for teams to play for to avoid relegation, because there is much more money involved in the EPL next year, is it me or do they just not get the point of the game?
Night all. Good to debate!!!
FGF
yep same guy neily w ..my uncle danny used help to run the bus .i also went to st marys and the columba
hail hail
miki67
Focus on living young man and be a good bhoy. :)). Seriously, praying for your complete recovery. Stay strong.
Weefra HH
Albeit belatedly, I have just watched NL’s post match interview with Sky on Wednesday night.
With his eloquent responses, praise of the broadcaster, and smart appearance, several of the press have suggested this was NL using a national platform to promote himself.
Only my opinion, but I thought NL was actually promoting our club, and did so very well.
Whilst we are not going to gain access to the riches of the EPL ( and personally I would rather we were in the CL) , a good relationship with Sky can be a very useful tool in promoting our club.
I also suspect that the suits at Sky have a reasonable degree of discretionary spend which can be beneficial to us e.g. decisions to broadcast pre season friendly games , and perhaps even invites ..”yes , we will buy the rights to broadcast pre season tournament X , because Celtic are involved”.
Does anyone else detect a difference in the way our club spokesmen speak to national media versus the Scottish MSM ?
Doc.
I thought you were older:-))
Your a wise man for your years.
Must be the catholic schools.
No offence to all that attended other schools.
butsybhoy
I went to Columba primary then St . Joseph’s before the Columba secondary .
I remember Danny , I left The Columba in 1985.
That’s me for tonight , usually lurk more than post but enjoyed wee memory trip tonight .
HH and God Bless Celtic .
Doc is Neil Lennon
23:11 on 10 March, 2013
I can see us going further. There is so much to improve on and we should have access to even better talent now, although I think it will be because of our own home grown players that make first team slots their own, that we will really progress.
4GF we not due a catch up and a few beers mate
HH
mighty tim
Yes mate , give me a shout when it suits you and I’ll see what I can do .
The Rams if you want .
p8ddy my comment was directed at your didactic style, which is more appropriate to the primary school environment. And you know it. So don’t come over all offended on behalf of anyone else.
However, I do apologise to primary school teachers the world over for bracketing them in with you.
How many times are you going to say that you think Roy Aitken cost us this, that and the next. His good points have been well described on here, so I’ll not repeat them.
Managers like Jock Stein, Alex Ferguson, Billy McNeill, Davie Hay and others saw fit to play him over 800 times.
Definitely off now , God knows I need my beauty sleep :-)))
Will catch up with any responses in morning .
HH
4GF
I will mate up to my eyes with work just now but got a couple of weeks off at Easter. Might be a good time for a few mate. If I get a chance before hand I will give you a bell.
HH
One thing we could ask Big Roy is the secret to staying injury free and cheerful all through what was a tough time for Celtic.
What constitutes a successful season for Celtic in our current environment?
If you expected that, with Rangers gone, Celtic would win the treble, remain undefeated domestically, tie up the league by January and continue to progress in Europe, then, depending on the weight that you give to each individual aspiration, you were probably disappointed with our season.
We have blown a treble. The league will not be won until late April. We have drawn 5 and lost 6 league games plus defeats to St. Mirren, Benfica, Barca and Juve (2x) in tournaments. We have produced individual games of mediocrity, sometimes 2 or 3 in a row, and, though, to my working memory, that is no different to any other season I have spent watching the Celtic, it seems that rose tinted glasses are used to view our past whereby the bhoys of the 60s, 70s and 80s plus MONs teams but not (WGSs or the bhoys of the 90s) were always winning with a spectacular display of entertainment.
Well, I am highly pleased with our progres and I think, it is because of the match between my expectations and the outcome we are seeing.
I did not predict we would win a treble. I felt a double was likely but not guaranteed.
I did not predict we would remain undefeated. I felt that was highly unlikely and the bookies would have given long odds against it. The huns team thought they would manage this in the 3rd season but, like us, they are facing a cup final every week. Incidentally, I will not sing that “here we go, 10 in a row chant” because it is boasting before the achievment. Having lived through Jock’s 9iar, I can confirm that we only sang and chanted in anticipation of the next title e.g. after title number 6, we sang “It’s magic, you know. it’s gonna be 7(never 10) in a row”.
I thought, this year, we would be lucky to qualify for the CL groups but favourable draws in the qualifiers gave us a better chance than I anticipated and, blow me, did we not exceed all expectations in Europe (aye but that’s gone now, it doesn’t count any more, the right-to-whiners will moan) by qualifying for the last 16, having failed to qualify from a Europa Group stage last year and having come close to not making Europa group stage.
And I made these predictions way back at the start of the season on CQN. These are not post-hoc justifications. I predicted that a league win was a certainty despite all the faint hearts in September and October predicting that the sky was falling in on us. Because it was a racing certainty, the manager would experiment with many more fringe and younger players over the course of a season and would vary the tactics and positional placements in order to test and develop players. And , as a result of both of these aims, we would drop more points than we needed to.
A manager only interested in the short term enhancement of his own win record, would have played the regular first teamers to exhaustion. He would have made CL qualification and group stage 2nd place unlikely by not resting our established players. he would have aimed to win as many games as possible to make his record look good and wrap up the league early to claim some PB or record. He would have accepted the hit in Europe, where our fans had low expectations, to satisfy the lust for a record league win and a domestic annihilation, which some fans called for.
A manager with a longer term view would use this season to blood new players, to rest injuries and fatigued players, to have a longer look at some players considered failures previously to see if they could be rehabilitated (Forster, Kelvin, Izzy) and to confirm which were clear failures( Murphy, Juarez, Bangura). He would have given promising youngsters hope of a Celtic future by giving them a smattering of games (Watt, McGeoch) but not over exposing them in a season when we would have dropped points and where less seasoned pros might get picked on before they were ready. He would have reckoned himself secure enough in the affections of Celtic fans for what he has come through, to risk all of this knowing that they would stay faithful through and through.
Boy, was he wrong?
What pleasure can it possibly give Celtic fans to win the league by larger and larger amounts? the most memorable titles in my memory were the hard fought ones. I could not tell you who holds the largest SPL winning margin. I can tell you I do not believe it is the best ever Scottish team (hope it was not the Lions now).
I can tell you that our European achievement this year is not as good as 67, 70, or 72.
I think it is as good as 2007, 2008, 1980 and 1974.
I think it is a superior achievement to 2003, though we venerate that because we were a success starved club. We celebrate 2003 in a way that 1970 is not celebrated and I understand the context for that, But as a measure of European progress, it is a lesser achievement, though a far greater gathering point for our community, than this year.
We have heard a lot about our glory days and, in part, they were glory days because we were young and fit and foolish. The teams from 1974 through to 2003 achieved nothing like as much as this recent period. It was us who were better then not our team.
On the park, this has been a glorious season. maybe in time, it will come to be recognised as such. We are on to only our 2nd title in a row. We will probably mange 3 in a row but I don’t want to start singing about it until we wrap up number 2 and celebrate that one properly.
Off the park, in stark contrast, we are in a sorry way. Continuing to take part in competitions organised by a corrupt administrative body. I will continue to concentrate my moaning at that target and keep Celtic managers and players out of my firing line.
It’s all about choices. And those choices will be guided by your expectations.
miki67 @22:59 I’ll fight for our future. Especially our own schools, which teach our values, both of which are envied by many.
Big Cup Winners
I stayed in Carcassone once at The Hotel Du Soleil Le terminus.
I would advise against that establishment. BTW the Ryan Air flight to Carcasonne takes you very close to the town unlike their other airports. Lots of good wineries nearby- hire a car and visit some but get someone to drive you back :-)
miki 67
Hope to hear your voice with us for as long as you are comfortable in doing so.
I have been sweating some small stuff recently and feeling sorry for myself.
Your posts are humbling and inspirational.
I look forward to more.
Ntassoolla
p8ddy my comment was directed at your didactic style, which is more appropriate to the primary school environment. And you know it. So don’t come over all offended on behalf of anyone else.
A few clarifications. I wasn’t offended. I’ve heard worse directed at me before and doubtless will again. My main point was that *given we’re on the same side* slanging matches are somewhat juvenile pointless. And if by didactic you mean preferring to look at results and empirical evidence over dewey eyed reminiscence then you’re right. I do prefer that.
I would apologise for having the temerity to have my own opinions, but given you seem to think you know my thoughts better than I, I’ll leave to you to frame that particular conversion.
However, I do apologise to primary school teachers the world over for bracketing them in with you.
More ad hominem attacks. You’re really winning the argument here.
How many times are you going to say that you think Roy Aitken cost us this, that and the next. His good points have been well described on here, so I’ll not repeat them.
Managers like Jock Stein, Alex Ferguson, Billy McNeill, Davie Hay and others saw fit to play him over 800 times.
I haven’t at any point quantified what Roy Aitken “cost us”. If we’re going to debate, lets debate on my actual opinions rather than what you imagine or hope my opinions might be.
Billy McNeill also played such luminaries as Graeme “Sinky” Sinclair and David Moyes. Were those guys lion hearted leaders too? More to the point, in a era where Peter Grant collected hundreds of games for Celtic, hiding behind the “played X games and chose by X manager” seems somewhat less watertight. And David Hay expressed frustration at not being allowed to buy players.
I’ll accept your point on Alex Ferguson only if you’ll then concede you would be happy with the notion every player Ferguson picked for Scotland was worthy of playing for Celtic.
/p
mighty tim
23:03 on 10 March, 2013
bognorbhouyle
Johnk K
HH
im pat b, im sorry my memories no great and cant seem to place you again appologies its been a long time since maryhill
Don’t forget to ignore the media agenda on all things Celtic / Neil …… Ghood night, Fholks
Ntassoolla…
One thing we could ask Big Roy is the secret to staying injury free and cheerful all through what was a tough time for Celtic.
I’d hazard a guess that at least one answer to this question would be Brian Scott.
Since Scott left, our injuries and rehab times haven’t been as good. It’s probably not that simple, as there was a structure around Brian too, but his attention to sports science and the advances offered by new technologies has, in my opinion been sorely missed.
If I recall correctly, under Brian Scott we were the first club in the UK to use (and purchase) a hyperbaric oxygen chamber to aid recovery. Something that later became a “must have” in physio rooms amongst top tier clubs.
/p
Doc – I’m 49 this month and thought you were older than me! You should sue that newsagent, they were obviously Dickensian in their outlook….! :-)
CCB – all part of PL’s master plan for us to “charm” our way out of SPhell. Good luck wi that, Peter!
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