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Reports suggest the Scottish Premiership could provide Newco with a face-saving de-escalation by holding a vote to mandate a fixed percentage of ticket sales for visiting fans. Celtic were permitted 7,000 fans at Ibrox (in what was known as “the Celtic end”) for decades before the drubbings and celebrations became too much for the home fans. Since then, a tit-for-tat process saw Celtic-Newco games reduced to 700 then zero visiting fans.

I’m really looking forward to a sea of green and white when we face Newco on 30 December, but the lack of an appropriately sized visiting allocation skews the competitive edge unnecessarily – Celtic were reduced to a one goal winning margin at Ibrox last month, well below expected standards.

Newco’s predicament is more onerous, as they needed to relocate their ultras group when Celtic arrived with 7,000 fans, adding irritation to an already irritated population. A vote by the Premiership would be a convenient resolution for all.

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  3. big wavy on

    !!BADA BING!! on 11TH OCTOBER 2023 1:53 PM

     

    printCode( ‘desktop’, ‘block_3’ ); ?

     

    Embdae else getting this on the blog via mobile phone…..?

     

     

    —-

     

     

    Only happened to me when I took a red pill……

     

     

    HH

  4. Saint Stivs on

    I asked, did supporters at the match clap or boo when the green brigade put up the banner ?

     

     

     

     

    https://www.yardbarker.com/soccer/articles/the_more_things_change/s1_15974_39368472

     

     

    Legendary manager Willie Maley was scathing of such supporters. In the early-1920s, he opined that: “The war fever is dying out of men’s blood. I feel sure that by next season we shall be rid of the brake club hooligan, against whom all sporting men’s hands should be turned.”

     

     

     

    He then went even further, describing those fans as being “The greatest blot that has ever soiled Scottish football.” Strong language from the club’s longest serving manager, certainly much less restrained than this latest Celtic statement.

  7. Saint Stivs on

    I scanned the rags – words like “vote looms” and “clubs to decide” and “imminent change”

     

     

     

    turns out the vote is not until January, and it needs 11 clubs to vote in favour.

     

     

    What a non story.

  8. Saint Stivs on

    The proposed new rule would remove wiggle room within the current wording and offer clarity over how many visiting fans can attend matches at away grounds. If clubs are in favour of change then it is set to go to a vote on January 22 with 11 clubs in favour needed for any new resolution to pass.

  9. spikeysauldman on

    radio 1 dance right now…

     

     

    NOW PLAYING

     

    Ninetoes

     

    Finder

     

     

    brought to us by the GB :)

  10. scullybhoy on

    Personal

     

     

    Fullname: Ronald Campbell Simpson

     

    aka: Ronnie Simpson, ‘Faither’

     

    Born: 11 October 1930

     

    Died: 19 April 2004

     

    Birthplace: Glasgow, Scotland

     

    Signed: 3 September 1964

     

    Left: 7 May 1970 (retired)

     

    Position: Goalkeeper

     

    Debut: Barcelona away 1-3 Fairs cup 18 November 1964

     

    Last game: Clyde home 6-1 league 1 May 1971

     

    Internationals: Scotland

     

    International Caps: 5 caps

  11. scullybhoy on

    “The only worry I had out there in the Lisbon final was the danger of sunstroke.”

     

    Ronnie Simpson on 1967 European Cup Final

  12. scullybhoy on

    “Ronnie was as much a footballer as he was a goalkeeper. Anything that went behind the defenders, Ronnie would come out and deal with it. In training, he always wanted to play as a striker.”

     

    Billy McNeill on Ronnie Simpson.

     

     

    So all this playing out from the back was started by Celtic.

  13. Prestonpans bhoys on

    Why is this vote being restricted to the Premiership? The SPFL encompasses all of the divisions, a dramatic rule change like this should be global.

  18. garygillespieshamstring on

    Scullybhoy

     

     

    Great photos of Ronnie Simpson.

     

    Reminded me of how often he played without wearing gloves. You wouldn’t see that these days.

     

     

    Also , as far as I recall, when he did wear gloves they looked pretty much like gloves your maw or da would have worn rather than specialist keeper gloves.

  19. Back to Basics - Glass Half Full on

    SAINT STIVS @ 1:46 PM

     

     

    Uefa rules forbid the use of ….

     

     

    “gestures, words, objects or any other means to transmit any message that is not fit for a sports event, particularly messages that are of a political, ideological, religious, offensive or provocative nature”.

     

     

    SS – I agree with your “social club” observation re the above.

     

     

    So why do we join?

     

     

    There’s an uncomfortable truth about the way UEFA goes about their business which COULD possibly legitimise some of our own Green Brigade’s positioning.

     

     

    An 80 odd page (or whatever the number is) set of regulations all clubs need to sign up to in order to get Champions League booty.

     

     

    Including no politics – unless it’s their choice of politics.

     

     

    E.g. Ukraine / Nelson Mandela’s death.

     

     

    That said I’m firmly in the seemingly old fashioned “two wrongs don’t make a right” camp.

     

     

    IMHO, it is high time (often over simplified) fan led politics was taken out of our club.

     

     

    BTW, fan led politics and fan led charity are two completely different things.

     

     

    The magnificent charitable work (home and abroad) carried out by the Green Brigade and other supporters groups should be recognised loud and often.

  20. connaire12 on

    Scullybhoy: I was at the Celtic v Clyde match on the 1 May 1971. I remember the whole of the Lisbon Lions entering the pitch before the game but I think Ronnie came off and did not play. John Fallon played instead. Of course, I am so old now my memory may be playing tricks on me.

     

     

    One thing I do remember clearly because I was on the eighteen yard line in Lisbon, I will never forget that back heeler by Ronnie. I think it gave the rest more confidence and desire to win the Big Cup.

  21. Saint Stivs on

    I know Ronnie Simpson did a book “a grand old team to play for” while playing for celtic and scotland

     

    but if ever a player should have had a book written about him it is the bold ronnie.

     

    What an incredible career, with many unique acheivements, his is some story.

     

     

    Off the top of my head –

     

     

    Son of a Rangers player

     

    Youngest ever player to make a debut in Scottish histroy at 14 for Queens Park.

     

    Went to Rangers on loan but was rejected.

     

    Actually had 2 year national service.

     

    Played in the 1948 olympics for Great Britain, chosen by Matt Busby, and asked to go to Man united,

     

    Plays for Thirds.

     

    Goes to Newcastle and becomes a double FA Cup winner, as early as 1952,

     

    gOES TO hIBS,

     

    come to celtic in 65,

     

    wins everything, includng old big ears

     

    incredibly makes his scotland debut aged 36, and wins 5 caps (how on earth was he overlooked all those years)

     

    and just an incredibly given all the teams attacking football in 67 – Simpson is actually Scottish player of the year, what a man.

     

     

    one fault, one weakness though, 600+ appearances and he never once scored a goal

  22. Tontine Tim on

    CONNAIRE12 on 11TH OCTOBER 2023 3:17 PM

     

     

    Scullybhoy: I was at the Celtic v Clyde match on the 1 May 1971. I remember the whole of the Lisbon Lions entering the pitch before the game but I think Ronnie came off and did not play. John Fallon played instead. Of course, I am so old now my memory may be playing tricks on me.

     

     

    *we had clinched the title on the Thursday night against Ayr United 2-0 at hunden having tied with the buddies 2-2 in a game2 nights earlier that if we had won the title was ours, anyway I was on the Lomond CSC bus which left Alexandria went up the Loch shore crossing over the Black Hill tae Helensburgh where we picked up the local members of the CSC there and then on tae the Stags Heid pub in the Newton bowling club part of Dumbarton, by the time we went though Cardross hauf the bus was already blootered.

     

     

    So given my inebriated state I can still assure you that local Castlehill lhad Evan Williams was in goal that afternoon, oh and wee ten thirty sat on the ball in front of the Jungle only tae be shiriked by Stevie.

  24. KINGLUBO on

    Most on here are totally hacked off dancing to their tune, as the entire football establishment does, so my thinking is, tell thems to go screw themselves, we DONT need them nor want them

     

     

    KINGLuBO

  25. An Tearmann on

    CONNAIRE12 on 11TH OCTOBER 2023 3:17 PM

     

     

    Re The 6-1 game vs Clydebank,i was at that game,sent down the front to the track.i am sure that was the game Jock went and publicised as the last time The lions would play together,the main stand was getting renewed at the time,what a team:-)

     

     

    Re the back heel,it makes me nervous still and i know the outcome :-) what a privelege you experienced being in Lisbon

     

     

    Hope all good

     

    ::-)

     

    HH

  26. big wavy on

    BACK TO BASICS – GLASS HALF FULL on 11TH OCTOBER 2023 3:17 PM

     

     

    BTW, fan led politics and fan led charity are two completely different things.

     

     

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    Not sure I agree. Direct action on foodbanks at home is an act of political dissent that tells one of the richest countries in the world that they are not prioritising feeding a huge chunk of their population, and community action is filling the need.

     

     

    I’m old enough to remember the way we tied ourselves in knots about South Africa, being forced to fall in line behind the Govt’s stance before being allowed to express our opinion.

     

     

    We’re in a catch22 problem probably, with UEFA fines galore not helping. Do we cut all ties and privileges to the GB? Censor only those TiFos we agree with, inform stewards to rush the crowd and confiscate the wrong banner or flag? Go tough with our supporters (and they are Celtic supporters) whilst watching others in Europe and across the City run by different rules?

     

     

    It’s all a bit of a bloody mess really. Good acts of fans versus bad acts of fans left to old men in suits in Glasgow and Geneva to constantly decide, many of which with a different set of values and drivers.

     

     

    HH

  33. Saint Stivs on

    McNeill, who captained Celtic when they beat Internazionale to become the first British winners of club football’s greatest prize, takes up a story which somehow encapsulates the surreal nature of a sweltering afternoon 30 years ago yesterday.

     

     

    “Several of the boys wore false teeth, and our keeper, Ronnie Simpson, used to keep them in his bunnet [cap] and leave them in the back of the net. We were back in the dressing-room with the cup when Bobby Lennox suddenly said: ‘Where’s the teeth?’

     

     

    “The funny thing is that they were still lying there, even after the best part of 12,000 Celtic fans had poured on to the park. They’d grabbed whatever souvenirs they could but overlooked this old cap. Otherwise there would be some middle-aged Scot today boasting that he’d got the Lions’ teeth!”

  36. Cloud9 on

    The case for admitting the number away fans is a decision that must be made by the governing body.

     

     

    That decision must be based on all available information: e.g. first and foremost the safety of all fans – that the area of housing is suitable, has safe access, and that visiting fans are not placed in danger from the much larger numbers of home fans.

     

     

    In these days of all-seated stadia and with most clubs looking to max-out the number of season tickets sold – it is not unreasonable to take a view that those who do buy season tickets have the right not to be moved, or, overlooked when bigger clubs with bigger supports visit.

     

     

    Because of the safety issues, I can understand why the governing bodies would want a definitive number, or, percentage to be ratified by a vote of all clubs. If left to clubs to decide on their own, there is the possibility that if they get it wrong and something drastic happens, then they may be held to be culpable.

     

     

    My opinion is that in future at grounds such as Celtic Park, Ibrox, Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts, there will be no automatic right of admittance for away team fans in Scottish domestic matches. UEFA, of course, have their own rigid rules, which I suspect will not change any time soon.

  38. David66 on

    Watch for the SFA (cheats) rushing this rule change through to benefit Sevco for their new manager and the Glasgow Derby on 30th December.

     

     

    D :)

  42. Tontine Tim on

    SAINT STIVS on 11TH OCTOBER 2023 3:55 PM

     

     

    I know Ronnie Simpson did a book “a grand old team to play for” while playing for celtic and scotland

     

     

    *I actually bought this in a Wimpey trailer on the Kirkton Avenue high flats site, it had fell aff a lorry.

     

     

    incredibly makes his scotland debut aged 36, and wins 5 caps (how on earth was he overlooked all those years)

     

     

    *one of the great SFA mysteries considering who he was but it should ne known when he was a young goalie starring with the Spiders his da was offered the had coaching role with the future huns, prior to accepting it he was told his first role would be to sign his son, at that he told them tae stick it up their proverbial chorus and verse so that might have been a factor, anyway this was during the time of the selection committee who it seems were quite averse tae playing anglos, unless they had tae, at the same time as Ronnie was starring for the toon, another anglo goalie was doing the same with high flying Wolves winning 2 tiles and the SFA Cup, his name was Malcolm Finlayson and like Ronnie he was also overlooked, now the reason that I know that much about big Malcolm, who starred against us in our floodlight opening game, will becum apparent as you read on.

     

     

    Malcolm Finlayson was born on June 14, 1930, in Alexandria, Malcolm loved football and played for his School and the local boys brigade teams, by the time he was 11 he was playing for under -17 year age teams.

     

    He was sent into the Clydeside shipyards to work at 14 because his family couldn’t afford to keep him at school, but he was always determined to make his way in the game, having excelled as a young player, at 15 he played three times as a trialist for Dumbarton and three times in Celtic reserves.

     

     

    Now it should be noted here that we had offered him terms just after Millwall but he only turned us down as he couldnae break his verbal promise tae the Lions, changed days.

     

     

    He was spotted playing for Renfrew Juniors by Millwall’s scout and was invited for a trial with London Club, he signed terms with Millwall in February 1948 and quickly made his league debut against West Bromwich Albion on February 28 aged 17, he remained with the Lions for six full seasons in the Third Division, in one notable game against Walsall, he was taken to hospital with the team losing 1-3, only to return patched up during the second half and play on to help the side to a 6-5 win, he was first choice at the Den, making 251 appearances in total, a figure that would likely have been higher but for his time serving National Service.

     

     

    He was sold to First Division Wolverhampton Wanderers in August 1956 for £3,000, primarily as cover for England international Bert Williams, he managed to make 13 appearances in his first season at Molineux, and his performances earned him the first choice spot during the 1957/58 season as the club won the league title.

     

     

    After his playing retirement, he went on to become a successful businessman and was part of a consortium that saw him briefly take over as vice-chairman of Wolves in 1982, he always retained his link with Wolves and was a long-serving chairman of the Wolves Former Players’ Association, in 2013, Malcolm was inducted into the Wolves Hall of Fame.

     

     

    Malcolm maintained his links with the area of his birthplace by having a home in Rhu which he and his family regularly visited.

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