It will surprise no one that Uefa have charged our football club with “the displaying of an offensive banner and setting off of fireworks [sic]by fans”, this action was as inevitable as the dawn. At least some of our number believes setting off flares in a football stadium is a reasonable action and that provoking European football’s governing body is a smart thing to do.
In terms of protest, “**** Uefa” is not quite up there with Martin Luther’s Thesis or what we’ve witnessed in the Arab world this year. It’s simple rebellious behaviour, which some of us are compelled by in our teens and a few take a long time to shake off.
Forget calls to self-police, I’ve never seen it work with a football support. Ever. If you think you are going to convince anyone the folly of profane banners, flares or even IRA chanting at a football game, save your breath. Those who are up for the protest (whatever the subject is) are more likely to find your call for restraint as complicity.
This series of protest and consequence will run for years, will split the support and damage Celtic. Neither the club nor the support has the leadership to do anything about it. Copy and paste the thoughts you write on the subject, you can use them again without having to retype.
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Just illustrates the pressure of being Celtic manager, the guy crumbled up here while in charge and that was without bombs being posted to him…
Middlesbrough manager Tony Mowbray was named the BBC North East Sports Personality of the Year for 2011.
Mowbray, who took the reins in October 2010, has taken the club he served as a player and captain from 22nd in the Championship to promotion hopefuls.
“I’m very proud to be in charge of the club,” Mowbray told BBC Look North.
“I look at the league table now and sleep easier, but our ambition is to get back to the Premier League.”
Por Cierto says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:51
You have shown in your response that you understand our current situation,
with regards to Celtic PLC, and i suspect that even though it doesn’t come across
as such, that a fair % of the support, underneath the clouded thoughts and emotions, do.
So my main question is do we/will we just accept this?
In our current structure there is no getting away from the demands of PLC,
this i understand and accept, but to the detriment and intentional ignorance of all else we value , i do not.
Equality/fairness/integrity has been central to who we are ‘n’ what we do for over 120 years,
both in a sporting and social sense.
The clubs own current mission statement in its social aims reads as follows,
“To maximise all opportunities to disassociate the Club from sectarianism and bigotry of any kind”
How then can the PLC justify the current treatment and failure of our support ?
for what amounts to nothing more than political in-correctness in an agenda set by our detractors,
whilst ignoring blatant and insidious sectarianism and bigotry of the orc and establishment,
which as i have highlighted is a complete failure of the clubs own social mission statement.
They cannot and action needs to be taken.
ASonOfDan says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:04
Big Tony will be finding 11 v 11 done there a breeze compared to 11 v 14
hail hail
DUSHANBE BHILLY BHOY – Re: “Pal”.
I prefer Pedigree Chum. (thumbsup)
jocky bhoy says:
19 December, 2011 at 15:27
hen1rik says: 19 December, 2011 at 14:51
For Jocky Bhoy: “Pmacgiollabhain scottishlaw.blogspot.com/search?updated… Explosive allegations against someone who appears to be an insider in the Scottish government.”
Was that your explanation? About “the Catholic European Union”?
Yes but if I’m wrong then fine.
BlantyreKev – Hail Hail to the Kano Foundation says: 19 December, 2011 at 15:32
or to give him his full title: Kim Jong ‘I telt ye I wiz’ Il
That’s his name, his title is now “Our Dear Departed Leader”
Felt sorry for Mowbray.
Think he if brought in Lennon or maybe somebody like McStay (Paul) beside him with a good first team coach he might have succeded.
Pressure got to him big time. Nice guy, job was too big though. Glad to see him do well at Middlesbrough. Just goes to show the strength Lennon has to do the job given the circumstances.
Big Packie’s Accent says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:06
Your just determined to have an away ground boycott debate today aren´t you ? ;-)
Hail Hail
Monteblanco-belter mate.
Paul67
you sound about a peed off as the rest of us with all this bliddy froth..
keep smiling- there are plenty of fans/supporters/followers of Celtic who only want what is best for the football team
your blog is an ideal outlet for frustrations
it helps ..a lot
thanks
HH
M
DUSHANBE BHILLY BHOY says:
19 December, 2011 at 15:59
philvisreturns says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:31
jocky bhoy – hen1rik is a failed troll.
He’s here for the lulz. (thumbsup)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Philvis,
Do you refer to the same hen1rik who consistently refers patronisingly to other posters as “the main thoroughfare between Glasgow & Edinburgh”, i.e “M8″?
What happened to the good old fashioned Scottish word “pal”?
Well when you get attacked from all angles then i am going to retaliate.
Attacked for bringing honest mistakes to this forum but do you know what its fine i wont mention it again but remember i will be watching with interest on this forum when more honest mistakes happen in huns favour and lets see how my pals on cqn react.
ASonOfDan says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:04
‘Just illustrates the pressure of being Celtic manager, the guy crumbled up here while in charge’
Maybe he’s more comfortable working with a board he can trust.
philvisreturns says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:40
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HH
You can tell the huns are getting worried,the 5th Collum for the derby game and Steven McLean for huns v St Mirren on Saturday.His brother played for the huns eh,nothing to see here,move along timmy.
hen1rik says: 19 December, 2011 at 16:10
Yes but if I’m wrong then fine.
I’m not saying you are wrong, I just don’t undertand what “Pmacgiollabhain scottishlaw.blogspot.com/search?updated… Explosive allegations against someone who appears to be an insider in the Scottish government” means.
If you can’t write it, can you not just cut and paste the answer or a link to it? I read philmac’s blog and am on RTC a bit, which takes me to scottishlaw sometimes, but save me some time eh?
What does MMB stand for?
MWD
bamboo says:
19 December, 2011 at 13:04
Maybe Willie Collum has crocodile vision .
Apparently a croc can see sideways and behind while looking forwards at the same time.
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you could be right mate
I know a few wummin who need new handbags & shoes…I wonder if …nah!.. ;-)
HH
M
scottishlaw.blogspot.com
Moonbeams WD. \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:17
What does MMB stand for?
Isn’t it the chemical name for ecstacy?
MBB is Motherwell Born Billionaire and in case it comes up GEF is Googly Eyed F*d
Maybe its Motherwell Multi Billionaire .
Just guessing.
AWE NAW
Are you heading over to the most bigoted wee country in the world over the festive season? I am sure JC would love to see you in one of his fine eating houses
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:11
Bhoycott’s bud, im no sure, who knows?
What i an confident in, is that just accepting the current PLC position is not the answer.
They have not only failed in their responsibilities to the support,
but have been complicit in our current predicaments.
Our club is being taken from us a piece at a time,
and we are paying to be treated as mugs in the process.
Players who have scored more goals against Celtic than Kris Boyd,
Gary Caldwell,
@fritzagrandold
Malorbhoy says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:32
Unfortunately it is not to be … due to work commitments. I hope to be over in the spring.
Hail Hail
Hen1rik – don’tworry mate, found it.
http://scottishlaw.blogspot.com/2011/12/salmond-uses-snp-holyrood-majority-to.html
If anyone gives this credence they are barking – firstly, the Catholic Church doesn’t control “Europe”. That might be some deranged anti-Catholic view – that everyone in Europe is waiting for the Pontiff’s signal to do… er something. But you’d have to be nuts to think that is the case in twenty-seven democtratically elected governements across Europe – from protestant Scandinavia to Orthodox Greece… not forgetting candiate countries like muslim Turkey…
Secondly if Salmond wanted to take Scotland independent he’d call a referendum. The SNP swept to power on an unholy storm of anti-Labour (Blair/Brown) and LibDem (coalition) combined with the historic anti-Tory feeling, leaving no-one left to vote for! That was a once in a generatiojn opportunity. Every poll has shown a majority against actual independence, I would imagine in the current climate it would be even worse. If SNP calls a referendum and fails their raison d’etre will go too, for probably a dozen years if not permanently….
Salmond is pandering to the middle classes with this anti-football legislation – no anti-rugby laws did you notice? No he thinks he has the working class sewn up with the defections from Labour so he’s courting the middle ground. If I have learned one thing about Scottish politics of late, it’s that it is so parochial and inconsequential (even to the the rest of the UK, let alone Europe) that it is immaterial.
The SNP want what every politician and party want, POWER. Power in Scotland, nothing else. Salmond’s Law (I hope) and the reversion to the normal voting patterns (I expect), will scupper that.
didnt willie garner score more goals against celtic than kris boyd did
and if my failing memory srves me right he scored them both in his debut at CP
(true story: shortly after the second OG a fan got stretchered around the track and one wise guy shouted look its willie garners da)
back in the day
AWE NAW
Hope to meet up with you when you come over for a drink and chat
Hail Hail
jocky bhoy says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:38
Fair enough m8 i understand and next time I’ll think b4 i post.
Big Packie’s Accent says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:32
I think the whole club. The Board, The Support, Hoopy the hound, The Celtic Park Milkman are in a bit of a paralysis just now.
We are all waiting to see what happens to the hun.
Yes they have been allowed to win four in a row in a vain attempt at rescuing them.
The problem is that even with these haunders they have been so lacking in any kind of intellect from the bottom up but have conversely made up for that in the most despicable scummiest way imaginable that even that hasn´t been enough.
That has taken all the focus of of anything related to Celtic no matter how hard anyone tries to muster up enthusiasm for anything else.
I´ll shout this one.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS A MICROSCOPIC SIDE SHOW COMPARED TO THE HUNS SLITTING THEIR OWN THROAT AND EXPOSING THEIR HISTORICAL DIRTY LINEN IN FULL VIEW OF THE WORLD
If at that point our plc back a Newco hun then that´s when I think you will see the appropriate action being taken.
No real tim is really that much concerned just now about anything else.
I´ll shout this one again
HUN DEMISE IS ONE OF THE ONLY SHOW IN TOWN
THE OTHER SHOW WHICH IS ON ITS WAY WILL BE A GOD ALMIGHTY EXTRAVAGANZA IS IF THE CELTIC PLC IS SEEN TO OFFER THE HUN ANYTHING BUT A PAINLESS DEATH .. at that juncture I think you will get the extreme activism that you are after .. who knows we might even see an away boycott by then.
Hail Hail
bournesouprecipe says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:35
Players who have scored more goals against Celtic than Kris Boyd,
Gary Caldwell,
@fritzagrandold
……………..
Henrik somebody as well
Big Packie’s Accent says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:32
Ooops I forgot to mention the travelling gypsy side show of baby hun implosion
HAil Hail
Paul67 etal.
It’s the first time in 60 years of supporting Celtic that I can feel a hatred building inside me for a Celtic Board.A couple of weeks ago I wrote on here that I felt I couldn’t go back to Celtic Park again if there was no fight by the board regarding appealing the injustice of the fine imposed by EUFA.It looks like I won’t be going back to Celtic Park in the near future.
Whether it was right or wrong for the fine that was imposed is another matter,what depresses me is this boards acceptance of the fine without any fight at all for justice.A first year Lawyer would have won the case in court,even MWD could have defended the name of Celtic better than this inept board we have at present.
The wording on the banner was wrong, I think the trouble stemmed from nearer home,and their name should have headed the banner instead of Eufa,Eufa were only doing what was asked of them,the supporters are always singing about the SFA,why did you not insert those initials instead, it would have been apt,why not the SPL, another appropriate heading.
Paul you say this hassle will go on for years,If there is inactivity from our board re fighting our corner, then I can see it carrying on for years,a month ago I wouldn’t have said this.But if I was fifty years younger, I would be up there with the Green Brigade,and I would have been diverting my anger towards this present board,they are not fit for purpose.
Awe Naw
HUN DEMISE IS ONE OF THE ONLY SHOW IN TOWN
THE OTHER SHOW WHICH IS ON ITS WAY WILL BE A GOD ALMIGHTY EXTRAVAGANZA IS IF THE CELTIC PLC IS SEEN TO OFFER THE HUN ANYTHING BUT A PAINLESS DEATH .. at that juncture I think you will get the extreme activism that you are after .. who knows we might even see an away boycott by then.
I’m not sure where yer at here, sir ?
Help me out please.
pigalle
Half Time Tombola says:
19 December, 2011 at 13:34
a fantastic post!
what they are doing will show them up for the sour racist, bigots they are- a strong case made for your view-
don’t react now celts …just give ’em enough rope..then show them up on the International stage
I remember not so very long ago, International sanctions and an almost total boycott of Sport/South African fruit..it took a long time (and hundreds of dumped shopping trolleys full of grapes and golden delicious in Byres Road and Partick) not to mention the far more serious matter of outrageous behaviours by the national party in SA…
external pressures eventually prevailed
slowly, slowly catch the monkey(s)
HH
M
pigalle
1) The big tax case going against the hun and we dont help with newco
2) The big tax case going against the hun and we do help with newco
Hail Hail
Old tim67
100% agree.We have been stitched up by this board.Slan
hen1rik says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:45
jocky bhoy says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:38
Fair enough m8 i understand and next time I’ll think b4 i post.
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Hen1riK…….Heres something to placte you “PAL”, while you are stuck on that infernal motorway, between Glasgow and Edinburgh…..the “M8”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UktdTAIiQyY
Pig Packie’s Accent (and Doug C)
Thaks for your kind words.
I dont post very often, partly due to time constraints, but mostly because, as I live in Canada, I dont feel that I have the familiarity with much of the local issues that is required to make properly informed comments. And, even if I read everything, I sometimes feel like, as an outsider, I dont have the right to tell you guys (that really have to live with this crap) how you should deal with things ona day to day level.
However, Paul’s suggestion that an articile on ‘what it means to be Celtic and a Celtic supporter today’ got my brain churining the last few days.
As someone who was trained as a theologian/ethicist, much of my time was spent trying to figure out how to articulate what it means to live a good life, and how to help society become what it could and should be. (On a confessional note, even though my dad was a Celtic fan, as a youth, I was a Killi fan because my uncle played for them … but as I got older, I fell in love with the (admittedly, romantic) idea of a club that started as a charitable entity, and who stood up for what was right (being proud of its roots but inclusive of everyone), and against prejudice and hatred…..
Moral theology is about taking a feeling (what you know in your heart to be right), and translating that into language and action. With feelings like that, and my father’s influence, how could I not end up a Tim?
One of my areas of focus was on the role of language, and how politics determines language (which, in turn, determines politics). The connection between language and policitcs is fairly self-evident, and, after Canada passed its own constitution, morality (which was always – but subtely – informed by pollitics – became explicitly so.) This is why I spent a few years getting my law degree … although, with not a lot of university teaching posts for theologians, I ended up staying in private practice. This has only reinforced my views of the politicization of language and law.
I know that this stuff makes many people’s eyes roll back in boredom, but, in my view, today, more than ever, it is important that these issues be brought to the fore. Corporate agendas are now given, and accepted, as not only good, but also as the truth – almost without question.
Many who would read this would question what this has to do with Celtic?
A few things … as Paul commented, there is a vacuum in the debate about the question of a ‘Celtic identity’, but, as the recent debates show, these questions are becoming less abstact, and more real and pressing every day..
They say that the greatest lie that Satan ever told was to convince the world that he doesn’t exist. In practical terms, we hear this all the time, ‘mistakes even out over the season’…. ‘they (Celtic and R***s fans) are the same, and just as bad as the other’. This is Scotland’s great lie – trying to convince us and the world that their evil (hatred, bigotry) doesn’t exist (it does), or that we are the same as them (we aren’t).
The GA and their complicit media have always tried to control the debate, or more accurately ensure that the debate never begins, by their increasingly politicized use of language and media (books like Celtic’s Paranoia document that superbly). However, thanks largely to the internet, this is not so easy to do anymore; people are starting to catch on to this, which is why they have recently chosen a different approach – the SNP legislation approach. If they cant stifle debate through the old media, they will try to do so by criminalizing it (even though the legislation would not hold up as fair and reasonable in most modern civilized worlds – and certainly not in Canada, where our Charter would protect freedoms from such overly broad and ill defined legislation).
I love this site as it brings together so many divergent people and views, bound by one common love. Recently, however, and more than ever, there have been clear attempts to divide and conquer the Celtic support (trying to drive a wedge between the Boad and the fans, between different groups of fans). “they’ are happy when we are fighting amongs ourselves (over NL, Banners, the GB) because it allows them to continue their dispicable work without challenge.
Paul suggested that there might be some worth in an article on what it means to be Celtic and a Celtic supporter today. I have been giving it a bit of a thought, and it is a very large task. However, even quickly, I can see some use to that. Even a cursory consideration shows that, if we take a step back, and look at the history of Celtic, and what it represents, we will see that, for all of our differences, there is so much more that unites us. We must never forget this.
And, for those that oppose Celtic (whether at the SFA, or the media)… the thought of a truly united Celtic support (that is, united with each other, with the Board, and against R***s, and what the GA represents) must terrify our enemies.
That isn’t to say that I or you will agree with everything that PL says, or the GB says or does. Debate is healthy, and necessary for growth. But, always remember -(i) our fellow Celtic supporters aren’t the real enemy, and (ii) what unites us as Celtic fans is always more important than what divides us.
Hail Hail