It will surprise no one that Uefa have charged our football club with “the displaying of an offensive banner and setting off of fireworks [sic]by fans”, this action was as inevitable as the dawn. At least some of our number believes setting off flares in a football stadium is a reasonable action and that provoking European football’s governing body is a smart thing to do.
In terms of protest, “**** Uefa” is not quite up there with Martin Luther’s Thesis or what we’ve witnessed in the Arab world this year. It’s simple rebellious behaviour, which some of us are compelled by in our teens and a few take a long time to shake off.
Forget calls to self-police, I’ve never seen it work with a football support. Ever. If you think you are going to convince anyone the folly of profane banners, flares or even IRA chanting at a football game, save your breath. Those who are up for the protest (whatever the subject is) are more likely to find your call for restraint as complicity.
This series of protest and consequence will run for years, will split the support and damage Celtic. Neither the club nor the support has the leadership to do anything about it. Copy and paste the thoughts you write on the subject, you can use them again without having to retype.
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A lie pedalled by Daryl Broadfoot on behalf of his masters across the establishment.
By day I’m ‘Mike in Toronto’ but on Sunday ‘I’m Neil Lennon’ says:
To be accused of being Kojo is IMO a badder insult than being cried a Hun !!!
By day I’m ‘Mike in Toronto’ but on Sunday ‘I’m Neil Lennon’ says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:16
Mike,
You are not Kojo as only himself on CQN speaks fluent Ulster Scots, desite his denila sof coming from anywhere on the Emerald Isle.
Here’s a beginners guide.:)))))) my tongue firmly in cheek……
http://www.ulsterscotslanguage.com/en/texts/test/
Yer “PAL” DBB (note: not “M8”) who likes yee a loater.
allegedly
Parkheadcumsalford says: 19 December, 2011 at 19:23
I had heard of the Craven “death threats”, which he denied. First I have heard anything about Collum. I think I read on here before that STV’s sport reporter is one of them, Bhardwaj or some such. He was the one who imparted this little nugget.
Do well think that those involved at Celtic Park will involvke certain media standards? or could they not be arsed?
Paul67 et al
Target of SNP signature legislation, target of Strathclyde Police, subject to Uefa sanction, and now the more than likely target of new SPL “unacceptable behaviour” rules courtesy of the Terrorism Act 2000. And there are people on here worried about a makeshift banner! We really need to wake up! Picture the scenario, Celtic supporters arrested for singing say ‘We are all off to Dublin in the Green’ (Dominic Behan version), Celtic FC facing sanctions from the SPL under the new rules, and the possibility, however slight, that prosecutions under the Football Related legislation could in fact lead to further prosecution, for the unfortunate few, under the Terrorism Act 2000. An Act not used, by the way, against those accused of seeking to harm, amongst others, our Manager. Those out there with short memories should remember that it was Neil Lennon who faced bullets, bombs and bams, and ask yourself, how is it that it is us ending up in the dock?
My take on this is quite straight-forward. I feel there is a split support, containing a significant consensus of those of an irish political bent, and possibly of a generation with memory of a genuine living/breathing Republican mind-set, who were taught never to appease these anti-Irish bigots, whatever country we found ourselves in. It is my own fault if I have always taken for granted the opportunity, within Celtic Park, to express the only realistic opportunity, within a generally bigoted, anti-Irish, Scottish society, to express a societally distasteful political opinion. Those of you who can’t see the wood from the trees can explain to your children why, in a future Scottish society, you gave up your right to express public political opinion for the purposes of appeasement of the rabid anti-Irish/Catholic minority.
I, for one, acknowledge the right of the PLC to welcome or exclude whom- so-ever it sees fit. In the mean time, I’ll keep the dough attached to my unwanted opinion, whilst having a toast my Irish mother, father & grandparents. Clink, Clink. Up the IRA!! The appeasers among you can ponder on the reason we call ourselves “more than a football club”. Me & my kind will wait for the inevitable Olive branch when the PLC does as PLC’s do.
Saltires,
I did post a response yesterday (but Sir Paul didnae post it….honest)and in fact I offered to eat ma hat washed down with some of your finest Hampshire Chateaux Buckie, 1958. Why, did I offer this…..cos you were right, as usual. Still think we should punt Sammi, though, in the Windae.
Yer pal DBB WHO LIKES YEE A LOATER….(not “mate”/”m8”, as I am not English and don’t wear an earring).
just started @ 19:36
(chat room is on bottom right where the red number is)
Celtic phone-in show just about to start – 730pm – UK
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David Harper, Joe McKenna and Paul Larkin
search “Homebhoys” on Skype and give the lads a call
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over the past 30 years there have been two strands to behaviour change among fans at Celtic Park. One was through legislation and the other through self-policing.
After 1980 and the Battle of Hampden, the law was changed to prevent alcohol being consumed on the way or at a football stadium. this changed the behaviour at celtic Park. previously it was considered all part of the day at the game to take a carry out into the stadium, drink it then depending on the score and the general level of drunkeness some Celtic fans would throw bottles and cans at other Celtic fans. Fights would regularly take place on the terracings. The banning of alcohol didnt stop people going to the game with a few drinks in them but it did stop the use of easy-to-hand bottles being chucked at Celtic fans by Celtic fans. The Taylor Report was legislation that also changed behaviour in stadiums.
Self-policing also changed fans behaviour. In the 60s and 70s football fans in Scotland would readily take part in racist “banter”. At Celtic part this included “I d rather be a darkie than a Hun” being belted out. That all came to a head when Mark Walters turned up at Celtic Park in a Rangers strip. Most Celtic fans weren’t racist but there was sizeable minority that day indulging publicly in racist behaviour including dressed in gorilla suits, making monkey noises and throwing bananas at Mark Walters during the game. I think a number of Celtic fans and fans’ groups realised that Celtic were not as strongly anti-racist as they thought. But they were determined with the Club to minimise the damage of the small minority of racists among the Celtic support.
I can see why so many of you guys spend so much time on here posting …. this is much more fun than working!
However, if I keep this up, I may not be able to afford to buy the beers for Torontony, so I better get back to work.
Your friend, who likes you all a loater, too.
Cheers.
Packie,
How no ? Lol
This reminds me of the chewing the fat lighthouse keepers.
If that happens then it will be easy to get rid of the board. The whole of the Scottish game will rely on our money in fact our custom. Depending on TV contracts. That’s when this Celtic regime will be at a crossroads. The major decision that has to be made is Quick TV buck versus a lifetime of loyalty + discrimination.
How that pans out will save us a whole lot of gnashing of teeth and greying of hair and we can do it against a background of hun history being wiped.
So sorry No. The revolution will have to wait a wee bit longer.
It’s been nice shooting the breeze but work Xmas party awaits.
HH
I see my request for an armistice was a waste of time. Let`s all continue arguing among ourselves. Great idea eight days before playing the Hun at Celtic Park. I despair.
Over and out.
JJ
COME ON YOU BHOYS IN GREEN
DUSHANBE BHILLY BHOY says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:39
good man.
I was in a meeting today and set myself the aimless task of getting Dushanbe a mention
without actually saying it myself
it was that kinda meeting..
I tried: “I bet there is a faster connection in a Tajikistani hotel than this place …”
anyway some spoilsport smarty pants actually knew the place and it duly got a mensh
..I was well chuffed …not…as that left the next 4 hours with hee haw to do
are you sure it’s no’ at townland in Kilkenny …beer 85c for 0.5L ? ;-)
HH
M
saltires en sevilla says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:22
Great post ,that to me is what our club is about
hail hail
Mike – Ayem get yer heid doon cause i’m in Guinness mode and the Club serves up a rerr pint:)
slainte
tony
My take on this is quite straight-forward. I feel there is a split support, containing a significant consensus of those of an irish political bent, and possibly of a generation with memory of a genuine living/breathing Republican mind-set, who were taught never to appease these anti-Irish bigots, whatever country we found ourselves in.
It is my own fault if I have always taken for granted the opportunity, within Celtic Park, within a generally bigoted, anti-Irish, Scottish society, to exploit the only realistic opportunity to express a societally distasteful political opinion. Those of you who can’t see the wood from the trees can explain to your children why, in a future Scottish society, you gave up your right to express public political opinion for the purposes of appeasement of the rabid anti-Irish/Catholic minority.
I, for one, acknowledge the right of the PLC to welcome or exclude whom- so-ever it sees fit. In the mean time, I’ll keep the dough attached to my unwanted opinion, whilst having a toast my Irish mother, father & grandparents. Clink, Clink. Up the IRA!! The appeasers among you can ponder on the reason we call ourselves “more than a football club”. Me & my kind will wait for the inevitable Olive branch when the PLC does as PLC’s do.
If I were Lennie,I would maintain radio silence ,until TFOD are put to the sword on the 28th.
Let Poker-Face Johann handle the media,answering questions purely on footballing matters.
Lawwell and our anonymous Chairman should address queries on all other issues.
Lennie should concentrate on team matters and our forthcoming games,as well as assessing targets for the January window.
Otherwise,Lennie should restrict himself to endearing our compliant media,by wearing a suitably enigmatic smile at all times.
Don’t give them the opportunity to play mind games.
Of course,the media will most likely suggest that Lennie’s ‘bottle’ has crashed..but no-one will be fooled,and it will frustrate the Hell out of them.
Good to see Fraser Forster progressing nicely. Important that he has saved a penalty…not had much success previously.
I reckon that he is just too sporting..he complies with the rules to the letter,and does not move until the penalty is struck. Stop being so nice !
Come off the line early/mix it up…even if the referee insists that the kick is re-taken,the consequent disruption makes it more likely that the striker will be unsuccessful.
The goalkeepers are never otherwise penalised for this infringement.
Be a Devil…Give Jellylegs the shakes..
Wow … What a thourally depressing piece Paul.
This is not the Celtic I have grown up following, no chance of reconciliation between the factions then ? No chance of a measured tempered approach ? just confrontation and civil war ahead then ?
So what your basically saying is we accept the outcome and the antics for the forseeable future. We put the future of our club in the hands of a rebellious few ?
I believe you to be wrong on this, I believe the club can and will do something and will come down hard and heavy, GB and other like minded rebels will be split and scattered around the ground. For what’s its worth that’s not my ideal outcome, but that’s what will come. No doubt with casualties along the way
In this instance I truly want the club to have the upper hand, in my eyes the only outcome that matters is the preservation, wellbeing and reputation of the institution that is Celtic Football and Athletic Club
fergus slayed the blues says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:55
cheers mate -great nom de blog btw
saw you were getting the attentions of one of our resident RAdical brigade earlier on…
well handled ;-)
HH
M
fergus slayed the blues says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:55
saltires en sevilla says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:22
Great post ,that to me is what our club is about
hail hail
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Not just a great post….a magnificent post, SES.
As they say in parts of this fair isle, paid as a compliment, “In fairness, you’re not the worst”.
Begs the qustion which I put to Marcus OG recently who posts on here, which is more personally memorable….winning the SPL or getting to a UEFA/Europa Cup final, win or lose?
No. 13 Shorts
I know I shouldn’t , any views on football, what is the IRA doing nowadays that warrants your vocal support in Glasgow?
Suggest u form a political scottish Irish republican freedom movement and go round chapping doors in Glasgow rather than mouthing off in the safety of a football crowd, let us know how many u convert based on your well thought out arguments.
Jesus H Christcfc fedupwithbollckscfc take your pick
oldtim67
I have learned a lot abot Celtic and Scotland from you.
I’m sure you must continue to visit Celtic Park and support your team. Board right or wrong, it does not matter. They come and they go.
Your team and crowd needs people like you.
PS
If you decide otherwise I can hlp you with all papers for emigration. You liked Poland. Did not you?
We will watch Celtic games on Oange Sport TV here. I promise the commentary won’t make you nervous. Next year we will go to Lazienkowska # to watcg semifinal Legia v. Celtic.
What do you think, Sir?
DUSHANBE BHILLY BHOY says:
19 December, 2011 at 20:09
cheers
dead easy -euro finals beat spl titles every time
was just thinking since we won in Lisbon there have been about 120 euro finals
we have been in only 2 of them
nowhere near enough for a club of our pedigree
what was the marcus og view?
HH
M
Jungle Jim, I read that post of your’s earlier and I’m with you, let’s stay together as one, another great poster earlier said unity is strength, whether yir Catholic or Protestant, right wing, left wing, sitter on yir hands or a standy uppit type….. Get behind the Celtic for if ever there was a time to sing loudly together in support of our club it’s now. When the hun are using all methods to bring us down with them, then I’ll be there standing proudly waving my Celtic scarf and singing til I’m hoarse, I hope my next Erm argument with a CQN’er on here is who was man o the match v the Huns on the 28th, it’s easy to say KTF but a lot harder to actually KEEP it.
V
phone-in show on now lads
http://tinyurl.com/3cundj9
googybhoy posted this earlier,
Meanwhile, the SPL has also tightened the rules governing unacceptable conduct, to include: “using words, conduct or displaying any writing or other thing which indicates support for, or affiliation to, or celebration of, or opposition to an organisation proscribed in terms of the Terrorism Act 2000.”
Doncaster said: “Changes to our rules on unacceptable conduct raise the bar in terms of what is expected of clubs and shows our clubs are committed to playing their part in tackling unacceptable conduct.”
Can anyone elaborate as to the need for the above.
Árd Macha
Oh, I see El-Hadji Djouf is negotiating with Azi Makhachkala.
My take on this is quite straight-forward. I feel there is a split support, containing a significant consensus of those of an irish political bent, and possibly of a generation with memory of a genuine living/breathing Republican mind-set, who were taught never to appease these anti-Irish bigots, whatever country we found ourselves in.
It is my own fault if I have always taken for granted the opportunity, within Celtic Park, within a generally bigoted, anti-Irish, Scottish society, to exploit the only realistic opportunity to express a societally distasteful political opinion. Those of you who can’t see the wood from the trees can explain to your children why, in a future Scottish society, you gave up your right to express public political opinion for the purposes of appeasement of the rabid anti-Irish/Catholic minority.
I, for one, acknowledge the right of the PLC to welcome or exclude whom- so-ever it sees fit. In the mean time, I’ll keep the dough attached to my unwanted opinion, whilst having a toast my Irish Mum, Dad & Grandparents. Clink, Clink. Up the IRA!! The appeasers among you can ponder on the reason we call ourselves “more than a football club”. Me & my kind will wait for the inevitable Olive branch when the PLC does as PLC’s do.
Maybe El-Hadji can negotiate the contract for Jelavic as well.
now we know what water torture must feel like…jeezo :-)
I know this will upset a few of you on here because of your religous beliefs but damn it, I’m going to say it anyway.
Reading CQN has been like watching the trial of Jesus of Nazereth as his own people threw him to the wolves while the real culprit was set free to commit his crimes against humanity with their blessing.
WELL BHOYS. YEEZ ARE DOING A FINE JOB OF SELLING YOUR OWN DOWN THE RIVER WHILE THE HUNS ARE FREE TO ESPOUSE THEIR BIGOTED SECTARIANISM, THE SNP IS HAPPY TO LEGISLATE IN SUPPORT OF THE HUN AND PRAISE THEM FOR THEIR BIGOTRY.
Get a grip. This is an orchestrated campaign against us and many of you are blind to it.
I really worry for our club when so many turn on our own while the true criminals go free.
MWD that is the last I will say on this.
UEFA really are a shower of self serving hypocrites. In that respect they and the SFA make perfect bedfellows.
On Sunday April 10th 2005, the day after the death of Pope John Paul II, Celtic played Hearts in a Scottish Cup Semi Final at Hampden.
The minutes silence to commemorate the Pope`s death prior to kick off was destroyed by Hearts fans and Scotland`s Shame was broadcast to an incredulous international audience. As the story in the link below, media outlets as far afield as USA, Canada, Italy and Australia reported events with disgust.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/edinburgh-east-fife/football_bigots_wrecking_scots_image_1_707745
Incredibly the then Hearts manager, John Robertson, defended those who broke the minutes silence stating that they were entitled to protest. No action was taken by the Scottish footballing authorities.
Given the unanimous international condemnation (which contrasted starkly with opinion in Scotland, as highlighted by Robertson`s reaction), it was unsurprising that UEFA received a number of complaints which implored them to take action.
Their reaction was akin to Pontius Pilate:- “UEFA does not interfere in affairs outside of the football.”
http://twitter.com/#!/ludovicodarko/status/147091487614697473/photo/1
UEFA have now taken action against Celtic in respect of “illicit chanting” and have started action in response to a banner being waved that contained a swear word and the use of flares by Celtic supporters. This is quite a departure from the stated position of not interfering in affairs outside of the football.
In September 2011, Atletico Madrid fans paraded a banner that contained the same swearing invective in English directed at Billy McNeill during our Europa League tie in Madrid. This banner could have incited violence between Madrid and Celtic fans. No charges were ever brought against Atletico Madrid by UEFA for the flaunting of this banner.
Similarly in December 2003 I stood in the Lyon end at the Lyon-Celtic Champions League tie (only way I could get a ticket). The very friendly Lyon fans used flares frequently during the match. I do not believe that any charges were ever brought by UEFA against the club for this.
I am not defending the use of flares in a stadium. I am drawing attention to UEFA`s clearly inconsistent and cack-handed approach to dealing with complaints and perceived conduct issues involving member clubs that are brought before it. It appears to me that UEFA acts inconsistently and is only too ready to follow agendas being instigated by other parties. It seems very convenient to me that UEFA has involved itself in such matters involving our club at the time when the SNP government have a clear need to create a moral panic to justify their new legislation.
I am certain that there has no doubt been an irregularly high volume of correspondence circulating between UEFA, the SFA, Strathclyde Police and the Scottish Government regarding Celtic FC in recent months.
The SPL statement is completely unnecessary in my opinion.
Árd Macha
Anyone no why Oglaigh na hEireann is not listed?
Árd Macha
The No.13 Shorts 19:20:
Celtic Mac: 19:38:
Ernie: at all times:
Thank Ghod for a wee bit of perspective!
Sorry Paul, I accept and respect your pro-establishment viewpoint.
I’ll even accept your apparent frustration that ‘those up for the protest’ will not heed your calls to ‘reason’ (if that is what we are to imply from said frustration).
What concerns me is the implication that the ‘refuseniks’ alone are the stubborn element in these equations.
If only these unreasonable types would just listen to reason all would be well.
There is, as you well know, an alternative viewpoint to that of the Scottish establishment, the corporate entity that is Celtic PLC, the host of CQN and, indeed, many of the posters on this site.
That alternative says we are not bigoted and we are not racist.
That alternative says we have a right to sing songs with a political aspect that the establishment may disapprove of.
That alternative says our Irish heritage is incomplete without recognition of the struggle for Irish independence.
That alternative says that the legitimacy of our heritage cannot be restricted to an era sufficiently long past as not to necessitate use of three letters the establishment find so ‘offensive’.
That alternative says offensiveness cannot be defined in political terms.
That alternative is sung loud and proud by thousands of non-CQN posting Celtic fans every week.
You’re right.
We’re not for giving up our rights.
We’re not for handing over our club to the ‘non-offensive’ (for now!) definitions.
It would seem battle lines are being drawn.
Your frustration is understood but the sentiment is dangerous.
An idea oft repeated becomes understood as a truth.
I’ve witnessed those who sing republican songs described as ‘neds’, upstarts who would ‘piss down your trousers’ etc.
This wasn’t in the pages of the Record but here on a Celtic blog.
You didn’t delete any of these insulting posts and, no doubt, there will be more tonight.
If you repeat a message often enough some will not question its truth; it will become the accepted wisdom.
Carry on, repeat away.
Its Celtic you’ll be killing and it’ll be too late when you realise that…
Uthere says:
19 December, 2011 at 20:30
good post –
tho Paul67 has a strict language code
suggest you repost without swerry word as the mods will have to remove original post at some point
HH
M