It will surprise no one that Uefa have charged our football club with “the displaying of an offensive banner and setting off of fireworks [sic]by fans”, this action was as inevitable as the dawn. At least some of our number believes setting off flares in a football stadium is a reasonable action and that provoking European football’s governing body is a smart thing to do.
In terms of protest, “**** Uefa” is not quite up there with Martin Luther’s Thesis or what we’ve witnessed in the Arab world this year. It’s simple rebellious behaviour, which some of us are compelled by in our teens and a few take a long time to shake off.
Forget calls to self-police, I’ve never seen it work with a football support. Ever. If you think you are going to convince anyone the folly of profane banners, flares or even IRA chanting at a football game, save your breath. Those who are up for the protest (whatever the subject is) are more likely to find your call for restraint as complicity.
This series of protest and consequence will run for years, will split the support and damage Celtic. Neither the club nor the support has the leadership to do anything about it. Copy and paste the thoughts you write on the subject, you can use them again without having to retype.
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Bamboo
It could be easier argued that the club were encouraging the support to adopt the alternative lyrics.
SPL statement
Meanwhile, the SPL has also tightened the rules governing unacceptable conduct, to include: “using words, conduct or displaying any writing or other thing which indicates support for, or affiliation to, or celebration of, or opposition to an organisation proscribed in terms of the Terrorism Act 2000.”
Doncaster said: “Changes to our rules on unacceptable conduct raise the bar in terms of what is expected of clubs and shows our clubs are committed to playing their part in tackling unacceptable conduct.”
Bagwash on StV Wullie Collum will be in charge of the next OF match the first time since last year were he recieved a death threat the board must really challenge such blatant lies and attacks on the club the media are kucking lumps out of us without reproach time to fightback its getting ridiculous its just one attack after another
Maybe our support will, like they always seem to do, surprise us all.
I expect and trust us to do the right thing. I think it’s in our natures to do so.
We need to come together just now. It’s Christmas – happy happy times and the none too small issue of a derby at home.
One Celtic. Us.
U
Big Packie
My comments were not, in any way, directed at you, or meant to suggest that you were being divisive. Apologies if it came across that way.
If I’m being honest, my comment today was more a result of me waiting on a call to find out if I have to be in court tomorrow, and not really wanting to work, so thought I’d read CQN instead, then just got carried away. We good?
Torontony
Cheers.
MurdochauldandHay says
ditto mate,lazy corrupt journalism
Big Packie,
Why bang your head of a brick wall when it due for demolition soon ?
It may not be principled but it is 100% demented.
Wait and see what the rubble brings until you see DD and PL arriving with scaffolding.
Unless of course you just want agitation for the sake of it.
HH
Mike In Toronto.
You refer to the Huns on the South Side as the GA…(Copyright Kojo).
Hmmm….aren’t you supposed to be nailing Snowbunnys doon Idaho way ?
Yer pal,who thinks you’re swell…
“It’s simple rebellious behaviour, which some of us are compelled by in our teens and a few take a long time to shake off.”
aye!
Malorbhoy,
Look forward to it.
HH
RobertTressell says:
19 December, 2011 at 12:34
To put this in context:
I do not agree with the singing or chanting of the letters I.R.A at football matches
I think flares are stupid (although I have worn them) at football matches.
HOWEVER
I think the article displays a mentality which has been slowly encouraged and nurtured in society since the 1980′s and possibly before.
The attitude MOST people have is one where there is no point in going against the grain because it will lead to defeat, humiliation, unemployment – whatever.
Those with their hands on the levers of power in business, government, football – wherever – no longer have to confront ‘protest’ in the western world. They tolerate a certain amount of it but have learned that it is much easier to ‘head it off at the pass’ – and the best tactic they have found for this is to make sure that people feel powerless to do anything about anything.
Sure they’ll throw you the odd bone – get a petition of 100,000 signatures and we’ll debate it in parliament (we won’t do anything with it if it might upset the status quo but hey, that’s democracy in action)
And the power of the press in this is all important. The New Media is suppposed to be challenging it, but it seems many of the ‘New Journo’s’ are similarly brainwashed and unable to think outside of the box.
Yes we need to be clever, yes we need to remove some of the causes of controversy – but we also have to draw a line, not just as Celtic supporters but as human beings with an interest in the world around us –
And we still await answers: What songs are ‘illicit’? Which are ‘illegal’? Which are ‘Offensive’? Who has decided on this? How and when did they decide on this? Who did they consult before deciding?
And: ‘Since when did the world of football get upset about the use of the ‘F’ word on a relatively small banner?
The bottom line is that Celtic supporters seem to get bad press for any type of ‘protest’ or raising of the voice.
How long before the ‘honest mistakes’ which are rearing their ugly head again get people shouting ‘F the SFA’? And if we do do we get in to trouble for that as well?
Those of us who take ‘many more years’ to grow out of protest and dissent generally do so because we see flaws in the way the world works and want to do something about it, not just at the fitba but everywhere. Thanks to those who give up their rebelliousness as soon as they buy a car or get a girlfriend have cost the rest of us in ways that are unimaginable. Anyone who was involved in trying to get people out on strike in order to stop a government dipping in to their wallet will know all about the mindset I am talking about – defeatism. ‘It’s not going to change anything’! Well, there are plenty of people who are glad today of those who went before knowing people could change things if they refused to accept the way things are.
But those people appear to be few and far between these days. The ‘I’m alright Jack, throw a few quid to charity to salve my conscience’ Brigade really have lost sight of what ‘community’ means.
So, yes, stop singing rebel songs, don’t use flares. But FFS, there is something wrong in the world when a football club can get in trouble over a bad word on a small banner.
The whole thing is leaving a bad taste. The sooner we beat rangers and they go in to administration the better, at least we’ll get a few weeks of the same hymn sheet being sung from. Except Hymns might offend some people and UEFA could ban us……….
I despair, I really do.
The great only appear great becuase we are on our knees, Let us Rise. No, haud oan, nae point rising, let’s just sit down and say nothing in case the great smack us again, don’t say or do anything to upset them and they might throw us a sweety.
Better to live on your feet than die on your knees – naw, I’ll pit up wie the pain in ma knees, they might give s a cushioned seat some day…… speak nice to them.
Have a pleasant day. And remember – Conform or Die.
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Worthy of a repost.
Every day of every week while we’re getting shafted,and people are attacking the wrong targets.
Well said,sir.
In my ‘youth’ my first games in Europe where eye openers. PSG and Hamburg! Hamburg in the Livi number 1 and Paris in a bus from ‘wee mans’.
How to behave in Europe, meet other fans, be respectful of the police, photos of fans in the back of the vans posing with the police, being polite and forge new friendships was all done with ease, the ‘older’ fans giving you the do’s and don’ts.
Now, the younger ‘fans’ don’t give a care! They are 18 – 22 and they know everything and don’t have any respect for anyone. They are living off what took Celtic 40 years to achieve.
What I have heard from Celtic fans about last week trip makes me sick, and I fear for the future of European trips following Celtic.
This element of the support will grow, hook up with other rogue fans from around Europe who have other agendas other than supporting their team and start to inflict real hurt on the name Celtic.
Are these people upset we don’t have our own ultras! Celtic never needed a section of ultra fans, as we stood as one against anyone. Times have changed, views are changing, while some are moving on after conflicts and don’t want more, others are dragging us into them, as they want to see some action.
Ban them, it’s the only way they will get the message!
Here we go then!!
The very idea that one can be arrested for/ or the club be fined for something which someone ” may find offensive” is absolute claptrap. How a law can be passed on that basis lets us all see how ridiculous modern living actually is. You’ll be telling me that someone may find my green and white and yellow scarf offensive and I’m sure some idiot somewhere will, fillls me with dread. It cannot go on!!
Now with regrads the morons who continue to drag this great club of ours down to the gutter, would someone please tell me I’m wrong in suggesting that the vast majority of “offensive chanting ” come from the green brigade area. If I’m wrong, I apologise unreserevedly but I do not think I am .
So, if I am correct with my assumptions then the other 90% of the Punters inside Celtic Park have a duty to drown these idiots out surely.
I am not having a go at the Green Brigade et al but within their unit it appears to me that a few are what they now term undesirables. The GB do not make up the majority of our support> What was that about Rome burning etc etc
I’m away for a lie down
Hail Hail
Happy Easter Egg to yin and a’
KINGLuBO
falkirkbhoy says:
19 December, 2011 at 18:50
I think you might be confusing ultras with casuals.
That kind of thing happens when you’re knocking on a bit.
As for your recollections, I suspect distance is lending enchantment to the view.
Mike in Toronto
We good? Of course bud, just cross wires on my part, it was just the tail end of you post
when you correctly pointed out there is so much more that unites us than divides us.
My post was more in response to Awe Naw.
Paranoia on my part, an affliction that comes with a love of the hoops ;-)
As I’ve said, i hope to read allot more from you.
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Awe Naw -I understand where you’re coming from, do you honestly think though,
that we should just accept this treatment of our own,
while all ills of the orc & co at parkhead and all else (meedja etc) continues unaffected?
Also, there’s no need to try and trip me up bud,
keep up the good work but its no required in my case !
10 days of national mourning in N Korea,having seen the news today,i think they might just manage that.
KINGLUBO says:
19 December, 2011 at 18:57
‘So, if I am correct with my assumptions then the other 90% of the Punters inside Celtic Park have a duty to drown these idiots out surely.’
Well I’m sure you and Shirley will manage that, no bother.
You could try a mass rustling (there’s that word again) of sweetie papers. That ought to do it.
How can dallas still be working for UEFA ?
Was it not UEFA headed correspondance which carried his sectarian hate/joke mail ?
Around the time I thought a wee letter writting campaign by our bhoys living over in Europe, written in the language of their adopted countries addressed to theat contry’s representitives whould mak a difference.
Writting to UEFA in english with a UK postmark is going to end up the UEFA’s scottish office, innit.
Come on lhads get writting, you could finish dallas off for the new year and raise questions about the conduct of the UEFA scottish office.
Big Packie’s Accent
Glad to hear we’re good. I went back to read your and my posts to see what it was that made you think I might be having a go at you. I suspect that if you and I would agree on a great many of these issues. Cheers!
I have just seen that the STV are claiming that Collum received death threats after THAT game. First I have heard of this. Any truth in it at all??
Ernie- you are a one, funny too. But surely you get my point! It was always the way in the past when some fekkin eedjit was making an ar##e of him self, we sorted it out, there and then.
I will refer you to a lovelystory and I apologise in advance if you heard this before, but here goes anyway.
An old bull and a young bull are at the top of a hill looking down on some beautiful cows.
Young bull says ” Lets run down there and hump one of these cows”
Old bull says, ” Lets walk down and hump them all”
Yeah I know , but you get my point and I don’t like sweeties!
Hail Hail
KINGLuBO
Hugh Dallas keeps his job with UEFA for sending an email about the pope but they charge us for an offensive banner, double standards or wit.
Packie,
It has always been like that. Nothing new in it at all. So why agitate at this juncture in history. Once we have won the war we can dispatch Churchill to the back benches.
With the greatest of respect Hitler is in his bunker so why annihilate Churchill at this point.
For me its a deranged no brainer that most huns would be proud of.
Calm doon wee man. Retract those horns cut out the personal pronoun abuse. Nobody is trying to trip you up.
I like your idea but just wait and see how life is in the years of our lord Anno hunbyebye.
We can wait a few more days for that surely after all the crap we have taken this and last century naw ?
HH
camamalar
Its very strange . Some clandestine goings-on behind the scenes at UEFA and SFA.
Parkheadcumsalford says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:08
Aye, media truth !
Parkheadcumsalford says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:08
I have just seen that the STV are claiming that Collum received death threats after THAT game. First I have heard of this. Any truth in it at all??
I wouldn’t believe that m8..
The media tried to say Craven was getting death threats and I think he said his family weren’t.
I could be wrong though but i am sure i read it somewhere.
By day I’m ‘Mike in Toronto’ but on Sunday ‘I’m Neil Lennon’ at 5pm great post.
V
The singing detective
Wasn’t sure that I understood your comment. Are you trying to ‘out’ me as Kojo?
If you think I might be Kojo, I can assure that I am not he/them (never quite figured out the whole Kojo/Collie, etc., thing, to be honest).
And I’m not sure our friend Kojo would be too thrilled at being mistaken for me. Although I do enjoy reading his thoughts (dont always understand them, I’ll admit), I suspect that he and I have very different ideas on a great many things.
However, if Kojo is, as you say, ‘nailing snowbunnies in Idaho’, then perhaps I should see if he is prepared to switch with me – at least for a little while.
Torontony, you cant tell my lady I said that when you see her, or I’ll never be allowed back to the club!
Parkheadcomesalford
Wonder if a certain Mr Jack Irvine has been mischief-making?
Media House misinformation?
Or……..maybe just an “honest mistake”
My take on this is quite straight-forward. I feel there is a split support, containing a significant consensus of those of an irish political bent, and possibly of a generation with memory of a genuine living/breathing Republican mind-set, who were taught never to appease these anti-Irish bigots, whatever country we found ourselves in. It is my own fault if I have always taken for granted the opportunity, within Celtic Park, to express the only realistic opportunity, within a generally bigoted, anti-Irish, Scottish society, to express a particular political opinion. Those of you who can’t see the wood from the trees can explain to your children why, in a future Scottish society, you gave up your right to express public political opinion for the purposes of appeasement of the rabid anti-Irish/Catholic minority.
I, for one, acknowledge the right of the PLC to welcome or exclude or whom- so-ever it sees fit. In the mean time I’ll keep the dough attached to my unwanted opinion, whilst having a toast my Irish mother, father & grandparents. Clink, Clink. Up the IRA!! The appeasers among you can ponder on the reason we call ourselves “more than a football club”. Me & my kind will wait for the inevitable Olive branch when the PLC does as PLC’s do.
Parkheadcumsalford says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:08
No. Made up nonsense spouted by the smooth SFA Spin Doctor. If anything, he may have been victim of a prank call from one of his Primary 6 pupils. For the media to spin it as a “death threat” even a year later, after the real death threats and bombs that our manager has endured is an absolute insult. Still, as we know they have no shame.
I’m guessing wee Willie is happy to go along with the lies though. Afterall, this is an R.E. Teacher who was striking to preserve Hugh Dallas’s right to send inappropriate emails about the Pope.
falkirkbhoy says:
19 December, 2011 at 18:50
I remember the dreaded CRS in Paris before the PSG game -there had been trouble when Arsenal visited the city a few months earlier and they were ready for us….
after a very short stand -off situation – some bright spark in the the CRS passed on a message via earphones ….and we watched as they all started removing their helmets and putting their shields to one side..batons back into belts and soft hats on
the Celtic fans went forward to shake them by the hand…funnily enough they wear velvet gloves …nice ;-)
Celtic fans make friends everywhere they go and always have done, the local cops know the difference between high spirits and a potential menace and respond accordingly
in Paris that night the gendarmes/crs reckoned they were dealing with honest decent football fans looking for a good time..they quickly chilled out
something similar happened after the Hamburg game when riot police were jogging in formation alongside both sides of the Celtic fans who were rather bemused by this and just moseying along saying hi and smiling/waving…..eventually the cops realised they were being a bit too serious/heavy …and the helmets came off and soft hats on and handshakes all round
I have watched Hungarian border guards with Klashnikovs and Spanish Guardia Civil all visibly relax when the first comment or smile exchanged or fag offered by a group of Celts was gratefully received ….I saw a group of Spanish cops take off their guns and put them in a locked box (presumably kept for that purpose..someone remarked “that’s where the biscuit tin got to” :-) behind a bar in the Betis district of Sevilla- as they all had a drink and toasted the Celtic fans with a drink and a local song…the Celts seranaded them with a few wee tunes…brilliant sense of fun and respect
On some very few occasions I have seen a scuffle (Porto)… sorted.. by other passing fans ..I watched a group on top of a bus stop in Antwerp …thinking at the time they looked too aggressive ..saw a few in a bar at Arsenal who were just too snappy at passers- by
I am on record as being annoyed at about 20 (of 1,500) at Cardiff recently
However, overall Celtic fans do not intend to cause bother..or annoy the citizens of the foreign towns we visit …a few get too bevvied and can appear very frightening to folk that are unused to it.
My point: it has always happened ..not only a recent thing and I believe that Celts do have a calming influence on other Celts..generally.
Bhoys eventually become men and they pass on the word
I accept there are exceptions
HH
M
I had heard of the Craven “death threats”, which he denied. First I have heard anything about Collum. I think I read on here before that STV’s sport reporter is one of them, Bhardwaj or some such. He was the one who imparted this little nugget.
Burnley78,
You description of mis-guided fans as ‘thickos’ is hardly likely to galvanise the support.
Having said that I agree with your post, particularly regarding the loser mantle. It was noticeably evident during Strachan’s three-in-a-row era. To say some were unhappy would be an understatement, and I still find that hard to get my head around.
I have spoken here before about what appears to be a ‘victimhood’ mentality with the support. More comfortable being plucky losers with the ability to claim ‘moral victories’ than with actual trophies and league wins.
I was and still am a terrible loser, and I cannot fathom this mindset. However, I doubt we’ll ever free ourselves of this and should learn to either embrace it or at least live with it.
For anyone trying to think up ideas for the match on the 28 December, how about putting our differences aside, and roaring the team onto victory on our journey to winning this league…just a thought
Neil Lennon lifting this SPL title is the ‘appalling vista’ that a lot of Scotland cannot contemplate. It should therefore be the number one thing on our club’s agenda, and that means players, management, the Board and the supporters. We cannot afford to be divided.
Ní neart go cur le chéile. (Unity is strength)
Let’s make it happen.
Árd Macha
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
19 December, 2011 at 19:11
gonnae naw dae that !
Drop the wee man b*llocks and attacks on grammatical errors,
and focus on the point.
In case you haven’t noticed, things have amplified of late.
Do we just continue to bend over in the meantime?
We were promised a bright new day with the Sectarian FA,
meet the new one same as the old.
Newco huns will be no different, same as before with our complicit board.
ernie lynch says:
19 December, 2011 at 18:14
If I could pass off being a delivery driver as being middle class, then that’s what I am. Mid forties might be middle aged… if you are 6. I see you have resorted to deflection rather than being prepared to say what good the “protest” did. The pie eating grins on the face of Huns will tell you the harm that has been done to Celtic.You tell me different.
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