It will surprise no one that Uefa have charged our football club with “the displaying of an offensive banner and setting off of fireworks [sic]by fans”, this action was as inevitable as the dawn. At least some of our number believes setting off flares in a football stadium is a reasonable action and that provoking European football’s governing body is a smart thing to do.
In terms of protest, “**** Uefa” is not quite up there with Martin Luther’s Thesis or what we’ve witnessed in the Arab world this year. It’s simple rebellious behaviour, which some of us are compelled by in our teens and a few take a long time to shake off.
Forget calls to self-police, I’ve never seen it work with a football support. Ever. If you think you are going to convince anyone the folly of profane banners, flares or even IRA chanting at a football game, save your breath. Those who are up for the protest (whatever the subject is) are more likely to find your call for restraint as complicity.
This series of protest and consequence will run for years, will split the support and damage Celtic. Neither the club nor the support has the leadership to do anything about it. Copy and paste the thoughts you write on the subject, you can use them again without having to retype.
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Dushanbe
Ya dancer mate;-)
did ye ever see that wee goal in the 2nd hauf yesterday?
proverbial invergordon smelter btw
if ye did pal..ye would have seen the bould jamesy breaking out and linking wi’ sammi who in turn linked wi Ki ..et voila and trumbones and oompahs
a kwality goal
..now what wiz it ye were saying at hauf- time…’bout ma alcohol consummpshin hic!
HH
M
Gordon J from earlier
I think someone said none if our players are anywhere near a suspension, unless of course we see red against Billmarnock.
Perhaps a player in good form recently…
Wanyama to see red on Saturday may be worth a flutter ;)
Rebellious Behavior Will Last for Years?
Non football related. Or is it?
Interesting wee slant on such behavior by Robert Fisk.
Before reading consider…
Alex Salmond. Former Banker.
DD. Former Banker.
The Mint. Cheating faciltated by Bankers.
Uefa. Well not bankers, but it all about the money..
Lot of people frustrated by recent events in Scottish football and beyond…
Maybe their rebellious behavior just needs more focus on the root cause….
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-bankers-are-the-dictators-of-the-west-6275084.html
hen1rik says: 19 December, 2011 at 16:45
Fair enough m8 i understand and next time I’ll think b4 i post.
If everyone did that this’d be a dull place!
Hey I like to learn things, so you got me to find that piece, that I think misses the point massively, but I learned a different view. Not a waste of time, no bother.
oldtim67 says: 19 December, 2011 at 16:52
The board have been sayiong for FIFTEEN YEARS they want certain songs to stop. How can they defend us being busted for those songs being sung? Who are you mad at? The board for 15 years of consistency or the guys who were warned time and again that this WOULD happen and so it came to pass?
On the latest issue: if the banner had read “**** the SFA” “**** the Queen” or “**** the Huns” all would have run the risk of getting us into trouble. You see that right? UEFA sell worldwide rights, broadcasters don’t want to broadcast taboo words like that into people’s home. If the banner had said “UEFA are wrong” I don’t think that’d have caused a murmur.
DUSHANBE BHILLY BHOY says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:01
hen1rik says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:45
jocky bhoy says:
19 December, 2011 at 16:38
LoL, peach
Oldtim67,
well said, hail hail,
forthe past 15 years the board have been bareing their arses to their old firm partners.
There is no excuse for the shame they brought on the club against Rennes, no excuse what so ever shamed all of us.
A married couple had been out shopping at the mall for most of the afternoon, suddenly, the wife realized that her husband had “disappeared”.
The somewhat irate spouse called her mate’s cell phone and demanded: “Where the hell are you?”
Husband: “Darling you remember that Jewelry shop where you saw the Diamond Necklace and totally fell in love with it and I didn’t have money that time and said Baby it’ll be yours one day.”
Wife, with a smile blushing: “Yes, I remember that my Love.”
Husband: “Well, I’m in the bar next to that shop.”
By day I’m ‘Mike in Toronto’ but on Sunday ‘I’m Neil Lennon’ says:
Excellent post, again. Especially this bit..
” I fell in love with the (admittedly, romantic) idea of a club that started as a charitable entity, and who stood up for what was right (being proud of its roots but inclusive of everyone), and against prejudice and hatred….. “
PJBhoynyc says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:05
reminded me of his book …one of the best ever…
Robert Fisk – In Time of War: Ireland, Ulster and the Price of Neutrality 1939-45
well worth a sqwach
HH
M
jocky bhoy says:
17:06
“The board have been sayiong for FIFTEEN YEARS they want certain songs to stop.”
Incredibly, in all that time, they have never named the songs.
I mean to say, how can you ask supporters not to break a law when you do not spell out exactly what constitues an offence under that law. Not only are they keeping us in ignorance, they are treating us with utter contempt. Do not be suprised when that contempt is reciprocated. And maybe there is much more to come. The board are the problem, not the supporters.
Sad state of affairs when we are gaining momentum, mounting a decent challenge and it looks like they really are in melt down with historic and current tax debt.
On the pitch is as good as it has been with a young squad, off the field we have our support conspiring once more to derail the train…….
Just as it did with GS when they mumped and moaned when we were on the bringk of 4 in a row history, abusing GS, Naylor, Caldwell and anyone else rather than getting behind the club……the self destruct button is being pressed again just as we have got it together again….
Rangers have many advantages which are bestowed on them…..just look at the refs for next week, the media from the weekend….
Sadly we have many disadvantages such as our many ‘malcontents’ who are much happier moaning and whinging and complaining and fighting some cause, than actually winning or being in the ascendancy……of course it is not the only reason Rangers win more, but it might just be a reason we win a lot less than we should, and will probably continue to do so.
Sure the board failed to grasp the nettle in 2004 and plan the escape route out of this pathetic little provincial league when we had a strong hand, Sure the previous and current chairs seem vastly underqualified for the task compared with the much ridicules Brian Quinn.
Sure the owners seem happy to ‘manage’ and ‘milk’ the situation rather than apply strategic thinking to get out of our current box….although it seems we have a good and tradable young squad emerging, which bodes well in times of hardship.
I would still rather we had our board in charge than the one at ibrox for the last 10 years.
However their outfit have galvanised, taken their naturally bestowed benefits and got on with winning over the past few seasons as we are yet again set on scoring more own goals.
Core to the problem is the kind of culture which revels in hurling abuse at any establishment figures or authority, that rebels and seeks to always have that chip on both shoulders…..
The fellow with the incredibly stupid banner is either a thicko or knew exactly what he was doing and is seeking to undermine the club……
No one could really be that thick ?
Mike in Toronto – Well said my friend. I trust you are well these days and i hope the good lady and your two nephews (i think) are also in good form.
Will i be seing you at the Celtic Club on the 28th? You and yours are always welcome:)
slainte
tony
Burnley78 says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:27
‘Core to the problem is the kind of culture which revels in hurling abuse at any establishment figures or authority, that rebels and seeks to always have that chip on both shoulders…..’
You’d have taken down the Tricolour, wouldn’t you?
Big, Big request.
For the next eight days, the Media will be in full anti-Celtic overdrive.
FOR THE MOMENT,DO NOT HELP THEM BY BEING CRITICAL OF ANYTHING ABOUT OUR CLUB .
Please,
JJ
Re the singing
If the Celtic fans never sang another another add on at football games ,would ANYONE miss them .No really ,think about it would anyone miss the add ons .
IMO the only peepil that would miss Celtic fans singing add ons will be our enemies as they would have to find another way to drag us into their gutter .
May I also suggest that the Celtic fans use a bit of savvy here ,why don’t we stop the add ons and keep a precise record of events as they begin to unfold .
If they come after another song or symbol ,take note and use all available outlets to push a constructive debate .
Were Uefa was a friend and ally in our eyes whilst they were the only ones punishing certain peepil for their bile ,we now seem to be viewing them with sum sort of hostility ,who would be happy at this ,certain peepil perhaps .Anyone seeing a pattern here .
One week after we are fined by Uefa a certain person makes a very public appearance at a Scottish football ground 8 days before the Glasgow derby ,anyone think this is just a coincidence ,well I for one don’t think it is ,why him?,why now?.
Elsewhere you would think certain peepil had totally cleaned up their act but have they (not according to some people )but the powers that be are only too happy with US playing right into their trap and will be rubbing their white gloves with the thought of us all infighting and not getting ourselves sorted out to foil their biggest trap yet the 28TH ,yes bhoys IMO this is the big one for them and their ace is that we lash out at everyone over what’s went on in the last month and who could blame them ,we are blaming
The board
the manager
the CEO
DD
the sfa
the polis
the stewards
Uefa
Hell they could never have imagined it turning out this good .
So what has it to be bhoys
Savvy or trap
hail hail
dallasnomore says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:26
the board arent singing the songs. if they named the songs all hell would break loose, they have been trying to keep a lid on all of this and doing a fine job of it but it looks like a small number of people who clearly are the problem seem hell-bent on forcing the issue
nothing good will come of bringing this argument out in the open. its a relatively small problem that will be turned into a huge one and will split the fans, possibly forever.
Establishment figures come in many hue’s ernie….
Bob Kelly and others had their dtractors and abusers too, as did Wullie Maley…….My Father enjoyed nine in a row with me but often said many of his pals seemed less happy than the previous nine years when they had plenty to moan about on a Saturday and won virtually nothing.
Sadly this has not changed too much.
We wear the loser’s mantle much better…..
Re the Tri colour question…… I would have fought for that……I wouldnt fly a banner saying F you UEFA .
Would you have displayed such a banner ?
ernie
One of the saddest things in Football for me is the history of Hibernian and the impact of Swann et al.
I have extensively researched this subject and the journey of the club from Bold Irish to insipid neutrality.
Burnley78 says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:27
part of what makes us such a great club is also a weakness. their protestant superiority complex (copyright walter smith) is sometimes what drives them on to win at all costs.
fergus slayed the blues says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:35
‘Re the singing
If the Celtic fans never sang another another add on at football games ,would ANYONE miss them .No really ,think about it would anyone miss the add ons .’
Why are you chuntering on about ‘add ons’?
celtic40me says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:43
‘part of what makes us such a great club is also a weakness. their protestant superiority complex (copyright walter smith) is sometimes what drives them on to win at all costs.’
There’s some truth in that. It’s the sense of entitlement that becomes self fulfilling.
Doesn’t just happen in football though. Psychologists talk about people making their own luck, and it’s the same thing.
ernie lynch says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:44
OK it’s part of the song Ernie but you get the point ,the words to the song can be changed as I believe they have been .
has that line actually been missed
hail hail
fergus slayed the blues says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:53
If The Celtic Symphony wasn’t sung, or the lyrics changed, they’d complain about something else.
All rebel songs would be banned.
And the justification for doing so would be the same justification used when they demanded the Tricolour be removed.
Hello Torontony
Things are well, my friend. But a bit too busy for my tastes. I may be in court next week, but, if not, I’m sure the boys would love another day with the ‘big kids’ (as one of them described your club afterwards … it made me laugh).
Hopefully, I’ll be able to make it… but I haven’t forgotten …. you agreed that this time I’m buying your beer. Agreed?
Hopefully you are enjoying a nice relaxing holiday season.
I’ll keep an eye out for you on here, and will let you know if we can take you up on your kind offer.
If we dont chat before xmas, all the best of the season to you and yours.
Hail hail.
As a 15 year old in the jungle I understood what songs drove the team on.
Take yor fight elsewhere.
Jockybhoy at 17.06.
oldtim67 says: 19 December, 2011 at 16:52
The board have been sayiong for FIFTEEN YEARS they want certain songs to stop. How can they defend us being busted for those songs being sung? Who are you mad at? The board for 15 years of consistency or the guys who were warned time and again that this WOULD happen and so it came to pass?
My moan is that we as a support have a criminal record and the board agreed with the sentence.
I remember years ago that the board had to fight for the clubs name,they fought and won that fight.That was for the Tricolour to be flown at Celtic Park.This board conceded without a murmur.Alas they did murmur something,they denegrated the Celtic Support.
ernie lynch says:
19 December, 2011 at 17:58
Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the war .
What do you make of the timing of the public appearance of a certain person this weekend over Govan way
hail hail
fergus slayed the blues says:
19 December, 2011 at 18:05
Odd.
Is this the first time he’s been back?
Maybe he just wanted to see the place one last time before it’s demolished?
I suspect he’s being used by someone for something, but I don’t know who or what.
We have RTC and his co-operative of researchers digging muck on Rangers misdeeds. Their efforts may already have exposed information that could lead to criminal prosecutions. PMcGB has his sources exposing anti-Catholic bias in the SFA. We have PMcC? going past the actions of Rangers and getting the Scottish Nazi Party in his sights. Paul67 is toiling away covering all the bases, promoting Celtic and doing down the forces that would do us wrong. They are today’s rebels.They are the ones sticking it to the man (if you’ll excuse the 60s terminology) The bunch of intellectual pygmies that came up with **** UEFA are an embarrassment. If they, or people trying to turn their actions into a political movement, expect Celtic fans to get behind them, they are insulting our intelligence.
Burnley78 17:27
“Just as it did with GS when they mumped and moaned when we were on the bringk of 4 in a row history, abusing GS, Naylor, Caldwell and anyone else rather than getting behind the club”
Not to mention Aiden McGeady!!! Your selective omission chimes well with the myopia you display when addressing the board’s ‘shortcomings’. Your failure to mention Aiden also betrays a deep seated hypocrisy, so in that sense, you and the board are welcome to each other.
Mike in Toronto – Agreed;)
slainte
tony
Awe Naw and Mike in Toronto,
I’m getting the vibe that my posts/aims are being misunderstood,
a failure on my part for not articulating well enough.
My wish is not to be divisive, our board, the meedja etc do that well enough,
what i am trying to urge, as with yourself Mike, is a return in focus toward,
the very principles that we have known and cherished of our club,
that which i have sadly watched slip away over the last decade or so, in the favour of coin.
In doing so i am looking for the common ground and that which unites us,
as opposed to the media/club led arguments of the day.
Obviously naivety on my part, but i always presumed these principles were or
at least should be everyone’s understanding of what Celtic is and that this would/should come to the surface
in these times.
For me choosing to do nothing is no choice at all.
– – – – – – –
Awe Naw – I agree that newco hun will be the tipping point but completely disagree as to ‘THE ONLY SHOW IN TOWN’
The very elements which would kick us off at that that time, are the very elements which are and have been
blatantly dismissed by the board lately and over the last years.
Selectivity of when principles are applied is no principles at all !
Mike in Toronto – Thank you for the response. With what you express and the manner in which you approach it, i
honestly think that contributions from ghuys like yourself could potentially be invaluable.
So, i hope to read allot more from you.
WDH like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTmPANoMPtg
ernie lynch @ 18.09
Weightwatchers?
Silver City Neil Lennon says:
19 December, 2011 at 18:10
So all of today’s rebels are middle aged, middle class and middle of the road.
Let me guess. You’re middle aged, middle class and middle of the road.
celtic40me says:
17.38the board arent singing the songs. if they named the songs all hell would break loose
Okay. Please help me out here -and them. How about you naming them?
Maybe the boards muted reaction to the singing at the Rennes game was due to the fact that the club themselves had been playing the offending song of the tannoy before games. I know the version of the Celtic Syphony they play has had the “OOH AHH up the RA” changed but it could be argued that they had encouraged the fans to sing the song.
Kenny Shiels on Shortbread now, said he was at Perth yesterday,lavishing praise on the Celtic support.Pretty sure he’s not from a Celtic background BTW.