It will surprise no one that Uefa have charged our football club with “the displaying of an offensive banner and setting off of fireworks [sic]by fans”, this action was as inevitable as the dawn. At least some of our number believes setting off flares in a football stadium is a reasonable action and that provoking European football’s governing body is a smart thing to do.
In terms of protest, “**** Uefa” is not quite up there with Martin Luther’s Thesis or what we’ve witnessed in the Arab world this year. It’s simple rebellious behaviour, which some of us are compelled by in our teens and a few take a long time to shake off.
Forget calls to self-police, I’ve never seen it work with a football support. Ever. If you think you are going to convince anyone the folly of profane banners, flares or even IRA chanting at a football game, save your breath. Those who are up for the protest (whatever the subject is) are more likely to find your call for restraint as complicity.
This series of protest and consequence will run for years, will split the support and damage Celtic. Neither the club nor the support has the leadership to do anything about it. Copy and paste the thoughts you write on the subject, you can use them again without having to retype.
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Apparently wee Jimmy Krankie is dead set against standing areas.
Good afternoon Celts and Edward, work finished for this year ….. Happy days!
Paul67 re the flare chat in you’re leader, I think they need to stop on safety grounds. I’ve been in the ground at a Celtic friendly when flares were lit, I was close to them and what happened was the person with the flare passes it amongst the crowd, when the flare burns down the eeejit holding it tossed it (he thought) onto the park, it went halfway down and landed in the crowd, later they tried it again…. Same result. There’s no excuses it should stop, re the banner protest could have been better made methinks and personally it wouldn’t be Uefa I’d be protesting at.
Anyway HH to ye all!
V
The Honest Mistake says:
19 December, 2011 at 13:18
You are either talking about the media or you are referrring to me and i hope it ain’t the 2nd..
Guys ,
from a “glass half full” type of chap !
http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/news/23124-young-celtic-fans-given-a-commons-christmas-surprise/
Sanna
Headtheball says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:16
Sounds like she is not against a little lateral movement as well.
News headlines in daily ranker tomorrow tankers swoop for European striker.Boyd is back.Slan
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U19s: Old Firm postponement
Saturday’s Clydesdale Bank U19 League game between Rangers and Celtic at Murray Park has been postponed due to snow and rescheduled for Saturday April 7, 2012.
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pffft
7th April – that’s ages away !
That’s why I don’t go to key parties any more.
I’d lose sleep and end up feeling a little Krankie. (thumbsup)
Meanwhile, the SPL has also tightened the rules governing unacceptable conduct, to include: “using words, conduct or displaying any writing or other thing which indicates support for, or affiliation to, or celebration of, or opposition to an organisation proscribed in terms of the Terrorism Act 2000.”
What are the organisations proscribed then?
hen1rik:
“the Catholic European Union”. WTF? You want to explain that? I though your posts encouraging criticism of protestant refs were a bit weird, but that one takes the biscuit. Especially given Paul67’s article references Martin Luther!
As for those criticising UEFA for charging “our fans” for holding up banners with expletives or letting off flares, Zybsek posted earlier their form on that. UEFA sell the TV rights around the world, most of the world speak English. It damages UEFA’s revenues that TV cos have to pixel banners or not show the goals because of expletive banners. Those defendiong these muppets – or indeed promoting “self-policing”. What’s your view on one of the Celtic- sponsored stewards present in the crowd alledgedly being assaulted?
And those decrying Celtic for not “backing the fans” on the songs issue – this would be the same Celtic that has asking fans NOT to sing these songs for FIFTEEN YEARS, yet they have been on this increase – why should they? It would undermine everything they have done for the last decade and a half to diminish these songs.
jocky bhoy – hen1rik is a failed troll.
He’s here for the lulz. (thumbsup)
ASonOfDan says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:26
Below is a list of the NI ones, lots of others as well!!
LIST OF PROSCRIBED NORTHERN IRISH GROUPS
Continuity Army Council
Cumann na mBan
Fianna na hEireann
Irish National Liberation Army
Irish People’s Liberation Organisation
Irish Republican Army
Loyalist Volunteer Force
Orange Volunteers
Red Hand Commando
Red Hand Defenders
Saor Eire
Ulster Defence Association
Ulster Freedom Fighters
Ulster Volunteer Force
John
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Next Up..
@KillieKrankie..
Summa
orion1951 – You forgot:
I Can’t Believe It’s Not The Real IRA. (thumbsup)
Sannabhoy , a Celtic good news story, well done to all involved , you should send this to Mr P McBride as an example of the online community
PS were you dressed up as Santa
I am the North Stand Modern Day Nostradamus??
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Sabre67 says:
18 December, 2011 at 23:43
Clashcitybhoy says:
18 December, 2011 at 23:34
Good point, getting ahead of ourselves.
The secret weapon v Kilmarnock will be Collum – what’s the betting he will emerge from nowhere for that one? He will sort a red card out for someone, probably Big Vic or Hooperman, to help Neil pick his team.
Or Heaven forbid, he actually gets the 28th?
I will take 1-0 v Kilmarnock and hope FF saves their late penalty.
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Collum took the disgraceful decisions to new levels in the disgraceful decision season.
Hamilton red card from James Forrest (appeal rejected – watch for Pawlett appeal outcome this week, identical tackle).
Hamilton yellow card for McGinn for diving when he was clearly chopped down.
Hamilton goal 2 yards offside with 6 yard line as a clear marker.
Broadfoot dive, no yellow, penalty kick awarded.
Above decision reached with the help of mirrors mounted on the main stand roof and Lisbon Lions lower tier stand.
Three penalties awarded to Rangers when one was outside the box, one was a nothing coming together and one was stone waller.
Two red cards to Dundee Utd in above game.
No wonder his star is on the rise. I just don’t get it with this guy, his competency levels fail to register on the competency-ometer.
ernie lynch says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:09
Mort (Kano 1000) says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:06
‘Regardless of what any of us think, these are outlawed by UEFA and by most stadia in the UK anyway and we need to abide by the law, simple as that.’
So’s smoking in the toilets.
Let’s ban the people who do that
Are you old enough to remember the Bradford City fire? I’m sure you’ll point out poor design and maintenance played its part but I bet there are plenty people who wish smokers had been banned from Valley Parade.
ASonOfDan says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:26
Listed on the ever reliable wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_Act_2000
ASonOfDan,
Most of them are Islamic groups. But:
A number of armed paramilitary groups are also proscribed due to involvement in the Troubles in Northern Ireland. The list as of December 2011 is:
Continuity Army Council (CAC)
Cumann na mBan
Fianna na hÉireann, a name claimed by multiple groups
Irish National Liberation Army (INLA)
Irish People’s Liberation Organisation (IPLO)
Irish Republican Army (IRA), a name claimed by multiple groups
Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF)
Orange Volunteers
Red Hand Commando
Red Hand Defenders
Saor Éire
Ulster Defence Association (UDA)
Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF)
Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF)
fanadpatriot says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:22
Re Boydychenko..headline will read
“Rankers swoop for top Turkish striking sensation”… an pay as you play basis no doubt..you pay boydy ..we play you..simples!
u19s St Mirren v Celtic
KO 12noon
Tues 20th Dec
at McKenna Park (Cardonald Park) by Fulbar Rd
(weather permitting, f/c is for sunny spells, 6degC)
map…
http://tinyurl.com/6s4fkcj
Big Packie’s Accent says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:12
A repost from the other day, for anyone who missed it,
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By day I’m ‘Mike in Toronto’ but on Sunday ‘I’m Neil Lennon’ says:
thanks for reposting a good read
The Irish Republican Army.
Cumann na mBan.
Fianna na hEireann.
The Red Hand Commando.
Saor Eire.
The Ulster Freedom Fighters.
The Ulster Volunteer Force.
The Irish National Liberation Army.
The Irish People’s Liberation Organisation.
The Ulster Defence Association.
The Loyalist Volunteer Force.
The Continuity Army Council.
The Orange Volunteers.
The Red Hand Defenders.
[F1Al-Qa’ida
Egyptian Islamic Jihad
Al-Gama’at al-Islamiya
Armed Islamic Group (Groupe Islamique Armée) (GIA)
Salafist Group for Call and Combat (Groupe Salafiste pour la Prédication et le Combat) (GSPC)
Babbar Khalsa
International Sikh Youth Federation
Harakat Mujahideen
Jaish e Mohammed
Lashkar e Tayyaba
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
[F2The military wing of Hizballah, including the Jihad Council and all units reporting to it (including the Hizballah External Security Organisation).]
Hamas-Izz al-Din al-Qassem Brigades
Palestinian Islamic Jihad—Shaqaqi
Abu Nidal Organisation
Islamic Army of Aden
F3. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Kurdistan Workers’ Party (Partiya Karkeren Kurdistan) (PKK)
Revolutionary Peoples’ Liberation Party—Front (Devrimci Halk Kurtulus Partisi-Cephesi) (DHKP-C)
Basque Homeland and Liberty (Euskadi ta Askatasuna) (ETA)
17 November Revolutionary Organisation (N17)]
[F4Abu Sayyaf Group
Asbat Al-Ansar
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Jemaah Islamiyah.]
[F5Al Ittihad Al Islamia
Ansar Al Islam
Ansar Al Sunna
Groupe Islamique Combattant Marocain
Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami
Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami (Bangladesh)
Harakat-ul-Mujahideen/Alami
Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin
Islamic Jihad Union
Jamaat ul-Furquan
Jundallah
Khuddam ul-Islam
Lashkar-e Jhangvi
Libyan Islamic Fighting Group
Sipah-e Sahaba Pakistan.]
[F6Al-Ghurabaa
The Saved Sect
Baluchistan Liberation Army
Teyrebaz Azadiye Kurdistan.]
[F7Jammat-ul Mujahideen Bangladesh
Tehrik Nefaz-e Shari’at Muhammadi.]
Note
The entry for The Orange Volunteers refers to the organisation which uses that name and in the name of which a statement described as a press release was published on 14th October 1998.
[F8The entry for Jemaah Islamiyah refers to the organisation using that name that is based in south-east Asia, members of which were arrested by the Singapore authorities in December 2001 in connection with a plot to attack US and other Western targets in Singapore.]
orion1951
Cheers,
The Popular Front of Judea or Judea Popular Front on there?
Who is this guy John?
HH
Paul67 et al
I suspect you wrote that article before the SPL announced its’ new rules vis a vis “unacceptable conduct”, incorporating the Terrorism Act 2000 into the rule book. Is it just me or are recent events in some way conflated. Think about it for a moment. Celtic are reported to both the SPL and to Uefa following matches against Hibernian and Rennes. To the best of my knowledge the charges were materially indistinguishable, and yet on the first, the Board defended the club, whilst on the second they conspicuously failed to do so, and acquiesced in the sanction that followed. Now, you can say all you like about the banner, but one thing we can agree on is that it was there for a reason. It was a protest against the club being found guilty (by Uefa, but not by the SPL) of what the Glasgow Police referred to as “illicit behaviour”. I questioned last week whether the word “illicit” even appears anywhere in the Uefa Canon, but it will not change my view even if it is. Celtic have colluded with Uefa, and not to good effect. The Board have sided with the Match Commander, with regards to the Rennes match, but not in relation to the Hibs match. It is they, not Ross Connolly, who have rubber stamped a verdict that will be used a priori, to help convict Celtic supporters under the SNP football related laws. It is they, incredibly, who have allowed the incorporation of the Terrorism Act 2000 into the SPL rules. More I think about it the more I think the bhoys with the banner were the only ones acting with honest intentions.
SPLITTERS
p
johann murdoch – “Rankers swoop for top Turkish striking sensation”
ALLY’S TURKISH DELIGHT
RETURN OF THE (KEBAB) KING
WHYTE BANKROLLS MONSTER MUNCH MOVE (thumbsup)
TOMMY SHERIDAN STOLE MY KRANKIE (thumbsup)
Philvis – I believe that wee Jimmy’s parties predate the car key. Think crank handle, that sort of thing.
spikeysauldman
don’t forget…
The Judean People’s Front !
Speaking of terrorists and fraudsters, off to the dentist. Later chaps.
tomtheleedstim – I believe that wee Jimmy’s parties predate the car key. Think crank handle, that sort of thing.
Man, can you imagine being at one of their Benny Hill style sexy parties back in the day?
I bet they reeked of Hai Karate aftershave and sin.
Part of me is hoping this is all a misunderstanding and they’ve actually confessed to standing on the swings at the park. (thumbsup)
Among other things, I think we should ban golf buggies from football matches.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16245295
Pmacgiollabhain scottishlaw.blogspot.com/search?updated… Explosive allegations against someone who appears to be an insider in the Scottish government.
For Jocky Bhoy..
Big Packie’s Accent.
Celtic PLC are exactly what it says on the tin a PLC, and like most PLCs, have a PR dept., for showing all the constructive dealings that they have, with various charities etc etc. They totally ignore and try to keep hidden from public view, anything, that they are doing that
they believe would alienate their customer base.
Celtic supporters however are from the widest range of people, of any other club in the UK and most of Europe.
Therein lies the problem the PLC like to make us “think” we are very important to them in all aspects of the football club, but we all know we are only the pound shillings and pence of their PLC Business, they also play on our emotional attachment to Celtic, as a PLC, and not as custodians of the “Football Club”.
We “the Fans” are left to debate the ins and outs of all things, and the PLC only get involved when one of these topics affects the bottom line, its always the bottom line that concerns the PLC, nothing else.
So to get back to the original concept of your post.
So the definition of the “win” is, if its something that could effect the “Bottom Line” then the debate is led by the PLC using their friends in the media.
If its about something that effects only the fans, then they take a back seat, apart from a couple of soundbites here and there to make sure that the fans “think” they have our best interests at heart por cierto.
ASonOfDan says:
19 December, 2011 at 14:37
It’s my real name!!
The Battered Bunnet – Good to see the homicidal spirit of “Herbie” lives on. (thumbsup)
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