Yesterday’s result at Ibrox gave some welcome encouragement but it would be wrong to read too much into it. Rangers still have the kind of lead that would have Celtic thoroughly confident of a league win and, lest we forget, St Johnstone collected all three points from Celtic Park already this season.
The win at Inverness was much more important. The Highlanders are bottom of the league but that is a false position. Two points separate Hibs, Dunfermline, Aberdeen and Inverness, while Kilmarnock, who shipped six goals to Inverness at home two weeks ago, are only a further two points away. Even with 10 men Inverness remained well organised yesterday, don’t be surprised if they move ahead of the four teams above them in the weeks to come.
The league is remarkably tight from fourth place St Johnstone to bottom Inverness, where fewer points separate the teams than split Celtic and Rangers. Don’t, therefore, be surprised if points are dropped in the most unlikely places.
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Good evening friends
Watching Athletico. We have nothing to worry about!
That’s all.
Jobo
Kafflik skools they irush wans ur the wurst so they ur
seanbhoy69 says:
Not yet, but it’s early days..:-)
seanbhoy69 says:
20 November, 2011 at 20:21
If it is, i’m in a whole heap of trouble. Better get onto the lawyers!
Starting Tomorrow by DMP
is this a re-make of the littlest hobo ?
Jobo Baldie says:
20 November, 2011 at 20:24
… and Atletico score…
Most cherished- Jinky single= “passing time” and a signed strip of the Seville team era- I also had a genuine Lisbon programme (got it in a swap for a Dennis Brown 12 inch of Money in my pocket) which went up in flames when my hoose burned down- and I threw out my dads silk type 60’s scarf when I was a teenager, as I thought it was too old fashioned. DOH
ASon OfDan 16.05
Stop feeding these parasites like Keevins.
Hope you told your folks that as well??
…..as Athletico go one up…
D’oh!
jobo
…and Levante equalise…
jobo
JimmyQuinnsBits says:
20 November, 2011 at 20:23
Paddy G,
amen… er, I mean… me anaw
:-))
This country is a joke from top to bottom.
Government, police, press, certain members of the public, all need to take a
good long look at themselves.
I made my comments on the singing of Rebel songs at Celtic games many moons ago, my opinion remains the same.
The reason I’m commenting now, is a side effect of on going argument / debate here tonight , has been a link showing the amount
of Saltires at Seville. I’m not going to comment on that either. Except to thank the person who put up the link.
You have made my night !!!
I have spent the last 20 minutes reliving my memories of that fantastic occasion. Go raibh maith agat !!
Pine Barrens…..says it all really…..the hypocrisy is truly astounding….!!!!
Now 2-1 Athletico.
Looks like my posting at 20:24, 8 minutes ago, woke both teams up.
Jobo
Just read back this morning’s thread. I may have done Tracy McVeigh a bit of an injustice. But, personally, I don’t really think so. While she did say that others think Catholic Schools are the problem, she went on at length quoting approvingly a social worker who works to bring the two communities together, who seems to think that they can only be pals , when the children visit one another’s schools and see that they aren’t any different. Personally, most of my pals, when I was a kid, didn’t go to the same school as me.
Nice work, Jobo :-)
Lurgan53,
Thanks for the thoughts. It’s been a rough year. Have a CT scan on Friday.
Should also be highlighted that 42% of “religious hate crime” was against the Police themselves.
Can we have a breakdown of that?
Am I Paranoid thinking that quite a percentage of these will be a Celtic fan calling a copper A
dirty hun? Then been recorded on the statistics as an “Anti-Protestant” Crime!
The rebel song are great in the right setting
Football grounds are not the right setting
Homes, buses, pubs etc are fine
The PIRA have decommissioned their weapons – its tme we put their songs in the right
place
The police and the SNP have their own separate agendas and its important that we do not get sucked in to playing their games
Yesterday was a good day football wise
We are still a distance away from being the finished article but at least showe a degree of professionalism and mental toughness to get the win against the usual hammer throwers
You have to wonder who Shinnie was diving in to tackles in the last couple of minutes for?
I doubt that it was ICT
The ref was poor as per normal – how ICT did not have more booked and sent off baffled me!
That eejit Burley spent the frst half saying how lenient the ref was
Young Forrest is gettng targeted and getting no protection from the refs – time to have words with the SFA methinks
Good to see the buns dropping points but we have just to keep grinding away
HH
Paddy Gallagher…..and nothing has changed….!!!
Barrach Obampot says:
20 November, 2011 at 20:19
The court in Edinburgh gave the bigots the go ahead when they found the hearts thug wilson not proven, every bigot in scotland knows he can get away with anything..
What’s the difference between the deep south and scotland?? Not a lot the way things are going…
SP who is happy the way the team are going but distressed how scotland is going..
Barrach Obampot says:
20 November, 2011 at 19:42
pintaguinness
1. Lisbon Lions picture signed by all the team.
three-way tie for second
2. Signed Henrik/Lubo/BBJ* pictures
* the Hartson picture is a cracker. BBJ jumping towards the Celtic fans after scoring the only goal at Ibrokes on 4th October 2003. Some of you might be in the picture!
……..
if it’s the one I’m thinking of GL2 is the most visible supporter in that photie.
V
StMichaelsBhoy2 says:
20 November, 2011 at 19:57
‘The Catholic Irish had been naming teams for the previous fifteen or twenty years, and Celtic never appears to have risen as a suggestion’
#############
Have you got the Campbell and Woods book you referred to in support of your views?
If you get as far as paragraph two of chapter one you’ll see that the above statement is wrong.
Wilson’s views are supposition and there’s no evidence for them. Such evidence as there is(about other clubs having the name Celtic) contradicts him. Wilson was a journalist and a politician. Nice chap no doubt, but not a historian. McNee’s the same (except he was neither a politician nor a nice chap)
The plc’s mission statement? Your citing that as evidence? Seriously?
The circular says nothing about why the name was chosen. I don’t know why you’ve quoted it. Perhaps it’s online and it was easy to cut and paste it?
As for the lack of mention of politics in the fund raising statement, so what?
It’s fairly widely accepted that the impetus for the forming of Celtic was the victory celebration in St Mary’s Hall following Hibs cup win in 1887. The celebration was hosted by Dr John Conway. According to Campbell and Woods
“His welcoming speech underlined the significance of Hibernian’s achievement for their compatriots, seeing in the football club’s determination to win on the field a political example to be followed in order to ensure that ‘the goal of every Irishman’s ambition-the legislative independence of his country-would soon be attained'”
Seanbhoy69,
according to the SFA’s new handy leaflet “Them!”
“The old lazy stereotypes which differentiated and divided the people of Scotland in days gone by into Catholic and Protestant are no longer acceptable in the 21st century. In the modern age we have to work much harder, and be far more flexible in identifying Them. Henceforth, Them shall no longer be associated purely by religious denomination.
Please note Them includes, but is not limited to:
1) Catholics who are also Celtic Supporters
2) Protestants who are also Celtic Supporters
3) Hindus who are also Celtic Supporters
4) Buddhists who are also Celtic Supporters
5) Muslims who are also Celtic Supporters
6) Other faiths who are also Celtic Supporters
7) Atheists who are also Celtic Supporters
8) Lawyers, Estate Agents, and Politicians who aren’t Rangers supporters
9) People who don’t really give a toss
10) Rod Stewart
Anybody left is Us
Vmhan♣ who Supports Neil Lennon
has he got one arm raised?
Scotland
Where bombs and bullits are sent Irish Catholic footballers and their manager
Where the same manager is attacked at his work place
Where his attacker walks free
Where the same manager has to move to a safe house with his family in the middle of the night as his life is under threat
Where the same manager is attacked in the street and his life again is in danger
Where Johnny Adair is given sanctuary and protection
Where Celtic footballers homes are attacked
Where orange walks are the pride of place each year
Where orange walks cost the tax payer 22+ million each year to police
Where the majority of sectarian violence takes place around these orange walks
Jeez I could go on and on, and on all night long.
And this is the people you are appeasing, cos they are offended by us……………. give me strengh.
seanbhoy69 says:
20 November, 2011 at 20:21
Can someone please clarify, is it a crime to be Irish, Catholic and/or a supporter of Celtic?
……
Does this ring a bell?
Being Irish means you’re guilty, so wer’e guilty one and all.
Oh and don’t be fooled like NL into thinking it’s just the GB, it’s every Celtic supporter that will be targeted.
V
Joe O’Rourke
Misleading Stats from the Government
The report released today by the Scottish Government regarding “Religiously Aggravated Offending in Scotland 2010-11 make for interesting if not confusing reading.
First of all almost 60% of the charges were committed by young people in the age group 16-30; and 60% of the cases took place in the Glasgow City area; and not surprisingly in 67% of the cases alcohol or drugs was involved.
The number of charges attributed to derogatory remarks against Roman Catholic’s made up 57.7% of the cases; while the same offence against Protestants made up 36.55 of the cases; which astonishingly are almost 95% of all cases; and considering Roman Catholics make up only 16% of the population; the number of attacks on them is worrying.
When you look at the statistics around football and marches/parades; there are almost 8 times more offences at football matches than at marches/parades; and according to the report 52% of the offences took place at Celtic Park; and 27% at Ibrox.
I have to ask the question; do these statistics point to a particular way of policing these incidents now? Apparently in the data destroyed by the Crown Office which covered the period up to 2010; the majority of sectarian offences were committed against Roman Catholics at Orange Parades; now they appear to show a lot more offences are happening at Celtic Park.
Let me point out two recent cases. A sheriff declined to impose a custodial sentence on James Begbie a Hearts Supporter for singing “We’re up to our knees in F****n Blood” the reason for the leniency by Sheriff Craig Mc Sherry; the offence was committed at East End Park Dunfermline; so there were no Celtic Fans present to be offended.
In the case of a young 17 year old Celtic supporter; who I won’t name here. He was accused of singing “ooh ah up the Ra” at the home match against Hibs on October 29th; he was not arrested at the match; by the Police crashed through his door early last Friday morning; he was held in custody before appearing before a Sheriff on Monday afternoon.
After pleading “Not Guilty” the Sheriff was imposing Bail Conditions; one of which was he was to stay away from Celtic matches; this was agreed by the bhoys Lawyer; but the Prosecuting Fiscal opposed it; asking that the bhoy be remanded until DECEMBER 23rd.
The bhoy was held in Polmont Young Offenders Institution until he was eventually released on Tuesday night; five days after being picked up.
I ask you to make your own mind up about these two cases; and the statistics.
JimmyQuinnsBits
:)
Vmhan
Ding dong mate.
It certainly does.
lionroars67 says:
20 November, 2011 at 20:43
What’s suspicious about the missing stats is that at the time they were prepared there was no thought that they would be made public.
Plod therefore had no reason to record offences in such a way as to skew the figures.
I don’t think that’s true of the stats that have been released. At the time that data was prepared I think it was known that the information would be made public.
Jobo – Levante GK kept them in it.
Mind you AM defence look as shakey as ours!
Oh, and most funnily of all only FIVE% of Sectarian incidents, collated in this Data, occurred in or
around the many hundreds of Orange Walks taking place all over Bonnie Scotland.
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Stairheedrammy says:
20 November, 2011 at 20:18
I think there is more than an element of truth in that argument, but we are giving them the opportunity they need.
Republican songs are offensive to many very reasonable people. You don’t have to be a sash-wearing, mono-browed, fat, bowler-hatted marcher to have a problem with them. I used to play in a band when I was at university. We played stuff by The Pogues, The Waterboys, The Dubliners, a bit of The Wolfe Tones, The Chieftains, The Fureys, Paddy Reilly etc.
There was me (Scottish), three Irish and two Englishmen with no Irish connection at all. We played all over Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire and the two English boys loved the music, and loved even more the atmosphere and the company in all the Irish pubs and clubs we played in. But one of them was really anti-IRA, because he came from Deal, where the marines barracks was bombed by the IRA in 1989.
He didn’t have a bigoted bone in his body, but he absolutely hated the IRA. There was no talking to him about all the different versions of the IRA over the years, or the treatment of Catholics in the N. Irish statelet. He wasn’t interested in Bloody Sunday, internment, discrimination in jobs and housing etc. He didn’t want to know about, “the shackles of 800 years.” All he knew was that his home town had been bombed by the IRA five years before, and 11 Royal Marines musicians had been killed. There are a lot of people out there just like him, who look favourably on Celtic, but have a deep-rooted hatred for, “the IRA,” in whatever manifestation.
Our band didn’t play any rebel songs, but it wasn’t because our bass player hated the IRA. It was because the people we played for, the Irish community of the south-east of England, just weren’t interested in them. Through university and playing in the band, I met hundreds of Irish people in those years (descending into song for a moment) from Bantry Bay up to Derry Quay and from Galway to Dublin Town, and the vast majority of them couldn’t give a stuff about rebel songs. If you tried to play one they just looked at you like you were an idiot. The vast majority had Celtic as their, “other team,” at best as well, but that’s another story.
Anyway, yes the Scottish Government are out to get us, and yes the police are out to do the same, but if elements of our support continue to sing certain songs, then they are handing them all the ammunition they need. Because too many people in Scottish society will agree that singing rebel songs constitutes offensive behaviour. The bill should be scrapped immediately, but I fear the SNP will push it through, just so they can claim to be, “doing something.”
Now if they want to come after us for wearing green, or being Catholic, or being Irish, for singing Celtic songs or for being much more handsome than your average Hun, I’ll be manning the barricades with you, but dropping the rebel songs will not diminish our, “Celticness,” one iota.
And so it goes on…..bigots everywhere
Parkheadcumsalford says
good luck mate HH
Why is there not such rampant bigotry in Surrey.
After all, as this website shows, they have those fonts of all evil, Kafflic schools there.
http://www.sjb.surrey.sch.uk/
P.S. all those nice bigotted chaps in the west of scotland who think that their hatred can be blaimed on the fact, that we send our children to different schools at the age of five, well I’m assuming they are as aggresively opposed to single sex schools (splitting up kids based on their sex) or private schools (splitting up kids based on their parents wealth).
P.P.S. type in “orange order halls in surrey” and you get directled to a place in British Colombia, difficult to find info about the OO in Surrey, England.
So to recap, like scotland, Surrey has Catholic schools.
But unlike scotland, surrey does not have a strong active orange order, nor a major sectarian problem.
Aye, those Catholic schools sure are to blaim.
just a thought, pro-rata, do you think that the number of times Keevins has written a column criticising the celtic supports singing over the past few months/weeks would be equal to those that he has written criticising the rangers fans singing over the years or more importantly the number of times as a younger journalist he wrote columns questioning the RFC blatant anti-catholic signing policy?
I know the answer but though I would share the question with you.