Some perspective first. Ronny Deila, manager of Norwegian champions Stromsgodset, is not about to be appointed Celtic manager. He does, meet the criteria, unlike the various one-season wonders cast aside from the English Premier League. I believe there are two other strong candidates, Ronny has no pre-eminence at this stage, but unlike the various ‘favourites’ who have appeared in recent times, at least he is a genuine possibility.
Stefan Johansen worked under Ronny immediately before joining Celtic, which gave club scouts an insight into the coach’s style of play. Stromsgodset are predominantly an attacking team, who press high up the field and pass quickly.
His players are dedicated athletes or they don’t remain his players for very long. He is also one of the game’s intellectuals, a former teacher – and what I’ve been asking for since Neil resigned – a student of the game. His attitude to his own role is one of continual professional development.
Ronny has a track record of improving players and improving teams. He is not a brand name, nor a shareholder’s whim. He is not being considered because he’s ‘pals with Peter and out of a job’.
Please bear in mind………..
Ronny Deila is only one of three genuine contenders Celtic are considering at the moment but all three match the same criteria. They are intelligent, technically adept, progressive, winners. Which has made me more excited than any of the names suggested so far.
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Billy Bhoy 05
08:01 on 5 June, 2014
Reading back and the teacher thing surfaces again.
On a personal basis I have nothing but admiration for what teachers do. My teachers were really good despite me being a little turd a lot of times. My four children have spent something like 48 years in total at school and only one bad experience with a teacher, which was quickly sorted. Four of them prepared superbly for going out into the world. My two girls have been to Uni and my youngest bhoy is going this year.
Teachers provide the foundations for personal development and the civilized development of society.
However, there is one question that flummoxes me. Why do we need in service days when teachers have 15 weeks holiday?
The reason I ask is that they come at difficult times and usually require rearrangements: time of work etc.
Reply:
Teachers don’t have 15 weeks holiday.
terms and conditions here:
http://www.eis.org.uk/images/reps/handbook/21.%20conditions%20of%20service.pdf
66 days per annum which include 12 public holidays.
At summer teachers get two weeks paid leave and four weeks unpaid leave. Another month’s salary would no doubt be welcomed by the majority of teachers but maybe not welcomed so much by the public and the paymasters.
Plus the teaching profession doesn’t exist to provide a highly paid babysitting service for working parents.
In the interest of balance, can I just complain that this Norweigan guy sounds too attack minded? CFC late seventies to late nineties in Europe spring to mind. In fact I think he should resign.
sipsini
09:03 on 5 June, 2014
thunder road,
Cheers for the info, looking forward to it, reckon a few hustlers will be turning up especially that bloke Petec :)
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Noo, I just know that DD has gibbered about a few lucky shots…He done a few quality shots himself btw – especially after the special cigs, although it could have been before them, not too sure, as the Stella was kickin’ in.
Charity is the Winner, that is all that matters.
Sipsini,
Aye you’ll get one to dalgety bay. It’s on what’s known as the fife circle. I’m not sure about times but TR sounds not too far away.
Thunder road, I’m undecided yet. I’ll have to find out the complete list first. Appears like it’s all good guys going so far. ;)
the bellshill beatle
09:16 on 5 June, 2014
Didn’t know that and take your point but it is still double the number of holidays most get. So I think ‘in service’ days shouldn’t exist in the sense they do.
Anyway as I said earlier teachers do a great job
Morning Tims –
Who would want the Celtic manager’s job? A Norwegian would. Or has that bird flown? Boom boom. Whoever it is we will get behind him.
Nord menn Sør menn, kamerater alle.
Hail hail!
The biggest, richest, most successful clubs on the planet, with all the resources needed to find and recruit the best talent in the world, hire and fire managers with alarming regularity – there is initial excitement, followed by business as usual, followed by disappointment/disillusionment on one or both sides (manager and/or club).
At clubs like Madrid, the most successful in the world (sorry Sevco), managers are almost a distraction – they come and go every couple of years, Tactics change slightly, players come and go, success comes and goes and comes back again and the juggernaut keeps rolling on.
A successful managerial appointment is akin to the stars coming into alignment – it’s a rare occurence. Few managers, if any, are actually capable of singlehandedly making a massive improvement to an existing set up. Look at the managerial merrygoround in the EPL – team underperforms, manager gets sacked, new manager appointed so players raise their game, a bounce effect noted for a small number of weeks and then . . . back to business as usual. Crystal Palace’s transformation this seasons was perhaps one of the only times ever that a managerial change when all appeared lost actually resulted in a massive shift in fortune.
A well run club, with good people in place at all levels, should not depend on a single managerial appt. to be the be all and end all when it comes to success on the park.
There is no magic wand, a decent manager will have a winning record at CP – if the stars align he may do well in Europe. A bit of luck here and there, top players remaining injury free, refs not awarding penalties when they have their back to the action, fans turning out to support the team, European group matches with out-of-form teams . . . well, sometimes it happens. And when it does the manager will get lauded as a genius. If it doesn’t, well we’ll complain like we normally do that the manager is clueless, naive, lacking in tactical awareness or incompetent.
Dave King making his move?
Someone bought 1(one) Sevco share at 9.09 for 29p. Be afraid.
billy bhoy 05
08:01 on 5 June, 2014Reading back and the teacher thing surfaces again.On a personal basis I have nothing but admiration for what teachers do. My teachers were really good despite me being a little turd a lot of times. My four children have spent something like 48 years in total at school and only one bad experience with a teacher, which was quickly sorted. Four of them prepared superbly for going out into the world. My two girls have been to Uni and my youngest bhoy is going this year.Teachers provide the foundations for personal development and the civilized development of society.However, there is one question that flummoxes me. Why do we need in service days when teachers have 15 weeks holiday?The reason I ask is that they come at difficult times and usually require rearrangements: time of work etc.
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Billy, from a personal point the blonde being a heidy, she finishes at six every school day. Each evening is taken up with school stuff, currently proof reading 250 school reports and then putting a personal comment in each, last month and this month the weekend’s are a non starter. Now the first week of her summer holiday is spent in the school tidying up from the finishing year and the last week of her summer holiday is spent in the school preparing for the proceeding year. She deals with kids with Down syndrome, Aspbergers (spelling?) physical disabilities, various mental health issues even at such a young age, and this being a main stream primary school.
She also has to deal with the parents..!
Believe you me, she needs the holidays.
But you’ll meet her one day, you can raise the question personally, I look forward to that one.
Have we a new manager by the way..
Ayrshire is Green and White
one share bought for 29 [twenty nine] pence?
That’s not Dave King.
That’s the kind of financial masterstroke that makes oooooooooooooollllllle Dick Byrne the most feared corporate raider on Wall St.
twisty
Loved your post of 08:11
The Happy Clappers will benefit from your evangelical zeal …
FF
Kdc:
If you think we got Ledley and Matthews for free then either you are kidding yourself or their respective agents were kidding them or absolute Dick Turpins.
Biton a straight replacement for Wanyama? I guess it really is a game of opinions.
And as for Forster keeping a record breaking clean sheet, no he didn’t, Celtic did.
You listed Lustig, (the player the support laughed at in his first season) Ambrose, VVD, Hooper.
You forgot Bangura, Juarez, Ljungberg, Boerrigter, Balde, Murphy, Izzy Kayal, etc. etc.
Also, and I digress, I can’t see any attributes this Ronny from Norway has that Roy Keane didn’t have. So he is a strict disciplinarian, well I don’t think there are many more so than Keane. So he likes his players to be fit, and Keane doesn’t. He is a student of the game… every person who takes the career move to study for his or her badges is a student of the game. One thing Ronny doesn’t know that Roy did, is just what Celtic are about. Maybe I’m the only person in the world who was disappointed that Keane didn’t get the job, at least with Keane you’d have got a global name (to attract quality players) and a passion not to be messed with; not by the board, the media, or any uppity prima donnas. But such is life, we’re CL paupers and as long as we continue to act like it… we will remain so.
What exactly was it that people had against Roy Keane?
sipsini
09:03 on
5 June, 2014
thunder road,
Cheers for the info, looking forward to it, reckon a few hustlers will be turning up especially that bloke Petec :)
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Yeah me too.
Me thinks petec is playing his abilities down tooooo much…..mmm?
Not just fishy…….more like shark behaviour ;)
geordie munro,
My brother will probably drive me through and I’ll get the train back. Thanks for the reply.HH
Kit- was RK not an uppity prima donna when he [the team captain and star player!] flounced out on ROI before the WC ?
Surely the thing to have done was play the tournament , take the team as far as he could, and then complain when they got home?
tonydonnelly67
07:57 on 5 June, 2014
I saw there was a teachers debate last night, I gave that one a wide miss,WOOFT.
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It might have been worthwhile reading things.
I bet you read it all? :))
The Change in empowering the Child is obvious.
Kitalba
Keane does not know how to man manage. The most important thing a Celtic manager needs to know based on our strategy. We need to improve players, not break them.
His style of football isn’t great either.
He also almost certainly wouldn’t fit into the strategy and would want to do his own thing.
TAMRABAM,
Reading your post from earlier.It is filled with misinformation and bad research.You tell us,RD comes from a country nobody knows,with teams nobody knows.I could be wrong,but did Rosenberg,from this unknown country not hold a record at one time,as the team who took part in more CLs than any other.Did they not beat Real Madrid?.I am sure most Celtic fans will know Rosenborg,as they also beat us.I would think the country has produced its fair share of famous players.
You also tell us that Craig Brown was one of the guys who started the decline of Scottish football.Would that be the same guy that got us to the Euro finals in 1996,then the World Cup in 1998?.You do not mention that it was David Murray that caused the “Decline”of Scottish football.
You also mentioned the fact that Celtic do not need a guy who puts fitness high on his agenda.We have plenty of fitness coaches.Oh really?.This will be the super fit Celtic team that died the last 20 mins in the San Siro last year.That are frequently found a yard slower than any of our better CL opponents.
Why are you so scared of change?.We have been stuck in a rut for so long,it seems too many fans have the same outlook as the Gorilla when the cage is opened,and he wont come out.Its all he knows.Change is alien.
It may not work out,but by god It has to be worth a try.Had you heard of Klopp,did you pay any attention to Yakin,did you know of the work Petrescu was doing?.
Kitalba how much exactly did Joe and Adam cost?- your source please Hail Hail Hebcelt
kitalba
09:34 on
5 June, 2014
I don’t recall anybody laughing or complaining about Lustig in the seats around me.
You ask what RD has achieved that RK hasn’t. Well you could argue that he has taken a small team onto a level above what might be expected. We are not a small team except in one area – Europe (which I’m afraid in the current financial climate we are). Let’s see if he can take us to a higher level in the one are that we are considered small.
His win rate is 50% greater than RKs too, over a much longer time frame.
tonydonnelly67
07:57 on
5 June, 2014
I saw there was a teachers debate last night, I gave that one a wide miss,WOOFT.
Made me laugh.
Malone Bhoy
In my opinion the first thing Roy Keane would have asked was how much do I get to spend? This is probably one of the main reasons he asked to be withdrawn from the process.
The main thing from a club point of view is that Celtic manager is not a part time job. The Celtic job is a 24/7 job that consumes your life.
I also believe Roy would no0t move his family north. That is no good for a Celtic manager.
LB
I come from a long line of teachers and have general admiration for them as a group (though I do like to have a joke at their expense now and again).
I had a great time at primary school 51 – 45 years ago with some exceptional teachers. My time at secondary was also generally good (45 – 39 years ago), but I do have to say I came across a few imbeciles who posed as teachers.
The characteristics of these clowns were: they didn’t know their subject, they couldn’t communicate, they couldn’t control a class and they resorted to violence (the belt).
Like micktt I witness how hard my sisters, brothers-in-law and nieces all work, and the dedication they have. Indeed my sister has to do running repairs to her dilapidated classroom just to make it safe for the weans. In the meantime some eejits think it is great to dodge their taxes.
So in general I think we have good dedicated professional teachers, with the odd rogue here and there. I suppose it is just like many professions in that respect.
hebcelt:
My source is my common sense.
the BBC have highlighted the poverty
the people of Brazil are living in
they can now arrive at their plush hotels
with a clear conscience
the misery isn’t just there in June-July 2014
hail hail
On RK’s withdrawal from the running for Celtic Manager and his (apparent) interest in being No.2 at Villa …
Maybe he’s recognised that he doesn’t have the mix of skills and talents to be a top flight manager.
I say that in all honesty: his personality type would appear to make it difficult for him to deal with players who lack his own personally-derived push for excellence.
FF
weeminger;
You don’t remember anybody laughing at Lustig, then you weren’t reading on here at the time.
Did not Roy Keane get a team promoted from one of the ‘hardest’ leagues in the world?
Billy Bhoy 05
09:21 on 5 June, 2014
the bellshill beatle
09:16 on 5 June, 2014
Didn’t know that and take your point but it is still double the number of holidays most get. So I think ‘in service’ days shouldn’t exist in the sense they do.
Anyway as I said earlier teachers do a great job
Reply
I’m sure you’re brilliant at your job too :)
In service days aren’t holidays though. They’re a vital part of the job. Without them and the training involved, the profession and the children would be in serious difficulties. Especially with the introduction and rolling out of a new curriculum and new qualifications.
Plus it’s not double the amount of holidays most get.
A newly qualified nurse will get 27 paid leave days a year rising to 33 paid leave days a year. A teacher will get 38 paid leave days a year. Aye, it’s slightly higher (and is perhaps the only perk in what is a comparatively low paid profession) but it’s nowhere near double.
Anyhow – three weeks on Friday!
Dontbrattbakkinanger
09:40 on 5 June, 2014
Kit- was RK not an uppity prima donna when he [the team captain and star player!] flounced out on ROI before the WC ?
Surely the thing to have done was play the tournament , take the team as far as he could, and then complain when they got home?
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He Sacrificed himself so the Future would be better, IMO.
Roy Keane is too Honest to be a Manager, we all know that. Neil Lennon is too honest because he is brought up that way.
The Press really are the scum. The Press they shape and form, manipulate peoples Minds, especially, to the Agenda.
Morning all
Is this Ronny Deila story another one that has a momentum all its own or is it in fact credible? No idea here.
But I can’t say that I am remotely enthusiastic about it. I can remember two Nordic managers in Scotland arriving with a fair amount of hoopla. Harri Kampmann at Motherwell c1998 and Ebbe Skovdahl at Aberdeen in 1999. The latter arrived with a fine record – 4 Danish titles I think and IMO Danish football has a better pedigree than Norway’s – whilst the Finn had won domestic cup competitions in his native land. Both were hopeless and Skovdahl certainly should have gone down in history as the first manager to get the Dons relegated.
Ronny may be good or he may be mediocre or he may be atrocious . But his chief attraction to our board would seem to be that he is , relatively speaking, cheap. We are led by people with no evident interest in effecting change that will bring us to where were aspire to be. And that saddens me – and if that makes me a mine shafter or a malcontent so be it.
Jimbo67 praying to Oscar Knox and for Thomas Worth
Teachers
Not sure if this has been posted before, but this is the teachers lot put into words.
Possibly the only real insight most people on here will ever get to the life of a teacher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ8RA3QF0EU
Malone Bhoy:
So having strength of character and belief in yourself and a mind of your own are not attributes you would equate with a Celtic manager. Then we should just buy Kermit the Frog, you’d get him for a few quid on e-bay, and Pedro can sit behind him in the dugout with his had right up his….
What’s with the attack on teachers today then? I must have missed the reason but surely teachers are like managers, players, doctors, butchers and barbers. Some brilliant, some good, some not so good?
From personal experience, my teachers were fantastic. Loved every minute of school.
martybhoy59
21:34 on 4 June, 2014
Just managed to get access to Wi-Fi, thanks for best wishes.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Kitalba well since your source is 100% what did they cost? Roy Keane – that boat has sailed lets look forward. Hail Hail Hebcelt
petec:
No I don’t think for one moment he was being a prima donna at all. He was the captain of his country. The team turned up with out strips or balls whilst preparing for the world cup. They trained in their own beach gear. Keane told McCarthy the training pitch (which was not a football pitch) was not suitable for training on and there would be injuries. Keane asked the ‘groundsman’ why the pitch hadn’t been watered to be told that nobody had told him that Ireland were coming. Oh! and if my memory serves, didn’t three players get injured on Saipan?
The trouble with teachers is that they never leave school.
They start at 4/5 years of age,at 17/18 they go to uni.,at 21/22 back to the classroom till they are 60years old.
Result—- No Common Sense.
The lesson has ended.HH.
hebcelt:
Why do you think international players run down their contracts?