The new SPFL board yesterday agreed that some sort of review should take place into the debacle which saw Rangers collapse into liquidation. While this is welcome as far as it goes, its scope will necessarily be bound by what the SPFL previously agreed to bind itself to. This was clear from the off, which I alluded to at the time.
If you contractually agree to limit your future actions for all purposes, you tie your own hands. This is where the SPFL are now and it is the reason we must look beyond them. The actions of those who tied their own hands are just as important as matters pertaining to the integrity of Scottish football’s competitions (the Scottish Cup and SFL League Cup, as well as the SPL).
The SPFL are not the only ones who are looking into this matter. They know to expect challenges during the course of the next two months.
Episode 5 of The CQN Podcast: A Celtic State of Mind comes hot on the heels of one of the club’s most controversial European ties in recent memory.
* What now for the Green Brigade?
* Dedryck Boyata – Are reinforcements on route?
* Virgil van Dijk – The windfall cometh;
* Farewell to Emilio Izaguirre.
Listen to the latest episode here:
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If regime change at sfa/spfl through a legal challenge was achieved i would expect them to be replaced by a new batch of sleekit,sniggering hun hell bent on revenge..
We do play football in the best wee bigoted country in the world and our very being offends.
Starry Plough
There needs to be some acknowledgement, that allowing your team to be cheated, is not on.
Im quite right to angry about being cheated by blazers, huns, and the PLC, who if they are not reacting to the hun press, they are banning innocent supporters.
Id could go on all day.
Guys who shout is it. Well its fecking better than being silent, no?
I will be in the front, make no mistake about that.
I wont be sitting on my arse.
HH
Celtic will win and Jonny Hayes wills score …..FACT !!!!!
Original posted on Kerrydale St. Lets see what develops
Ok, been keeping stumph about the details of this, but there is a group who are actively progressing the legal petitioning of the courts for a Judicial review of the SFA and SPFL.
This group is not just Celtic fans.
Can’t divulge the details yet, but work has been going on in the background for quite some time, and legal council has been lined up.
The window to pursue a petition is very limited, so my earlier thread was mainly to gauge appetite for helping to fund this, on this particular board.
The result has been really positive with 95% of people saying they would be willing to contribute.
It is absolutely essential in moving this crowd funding forward that we firstly have discussions with the petitioning group so we support them fully and dont interfere destructively in what they are doing. Secondly its not an exclusive Celtic fans only venture. It is very important that this crowdfunding is not seen as tribal Celtic fans, who have a personal rivalry grudge. It has to be all fans, from all Scottish clubs.
Once we get the nod, I’ll release the details of where to contribute, and people can contribute what they want to. This will happen in next few days.
In the first instance, can you all raise awareness of the crowd-funding with other sites you frequent, the more we wrap in now, the quicker we can send a message tho the SFA and SPFL that we as supporters of Scottish football are not willing to accept the whitewash and continued malgovernance that they are hoping will be allowed to continue.
Stay tuned for further developments.
Tonight we will be united in following our team and hoping for a good victory, bringing us closer to competing with the elite of Europe. All that has been writing and posted on here, at times a little difficult to accept by some, goes out of the window. Celtic need our support tonight. Tomorrow we can work out ways to tackle the cheats in Scottish football. We can wait a little longer for victory. This has been done before by those who sold us the Celtic way. They lived through difficult times, those from Ireland and the Western Isles, mocked and despised in the workplace and in the streets of our towns, but they prevailed and we no longer allow ourselves to be ridiculed. The fight for equality is still ongoing and if we hold our nerve we will prevail. We owe it to those who carried the torch in the long years of ridicule.
Stars
Aye the were liquidated, but, and always the but, the relevant powers don’t agree with that scenario.
They are still called rangers, they still play out of ibrox, they still have the same scum supporters, they still have the referees onside, they still have the media under their control, the government will help in any way they can, the judicial system will always err on their side, the sfa and the spfl will still break, bend and make up new rules to suit them, I could go on and on and on………………….but most importantly they have managed to dump well over £100 million of debt, that is the knife twister for me.
They are not in a good place presently, but as with everything else, life goes around in cycles, they won’t always be where they are and I doubt we will either.
The powers are hell bent on their survival and them reaching the top again to the detriment of everyone else.
Who’s to say it won’t be sooner rather than later.
I have said since the get go they would get away with it, from where I am sitting a few years of shite and they will have.
HH
did any ask what the legal advice was? what quesion they asked themselves basically “Can we strip tities ” Eh NO! thats it?
CHAIRBHOY on 26TH JULY 2017 3:10 PM
IMATIM @ 2:44 PM,
Your summation is good…
But points 1 – 5 are too logical.
Yes Rangers failed to disclose the side letters. Oldco and not the Club were found guilty of this. NewCo paid the Fine.
They decided that the SFA could not go back and suspend the registrations through a “different construct” of the rules so the Players weren’t ineligible.
So no points deductions I’m afraid.
You couldn’t make it up…
Cause they already did 4 1/2 year ago…
Hail Hail
………………………….
Thanks for the reply
As I understand things – by not disclosing the side letters they were in clear breach of SFA rules and therefore a 3 point deduction should have been applied to every game this was applicable to when it became apparent they were guilty of said infraction.
When it became public knowledge they eventually admitted to what is in effect cheating.
I see no reason whatsoever they should not pay the price any and every other Club would have had to make……….and as we know the SFA have previous form for deducting points from other clubs who have breached the rules even if it was only a trivial technicality and they applied the penalties accordingly.
The precedents are there. Break the rules and you pay the price……..and they clearly and knowingly broke the rules. No ifs….no buts.
Strip the Titles!
CELTIC CHAMPS ELECT…
If you’re so sure of your own opinion why the need for ad hominem attacks and petty name calling?
Why not impart some of your own wisdom in the hope of changing minds?
HH
5 way agreement must be illegal…..how can a new club be given different rules from all other clubs.. just because a CEO signs an agreemnet doesn’t make it leagally bindining if it is illegal…like their stupid side letters which were not worth the paper they were printed on.
Paul67 et al
Re Question 3, QC opines that; ‘A second case can proceed if there is a sufficient difference between the issues or matters.’ The man on the top of the Clapham Omnibus might think that a Supreme Court decision overuling a major premise of the LNS findings would meet that particular requirement.
“What amounts to a “sufficient” difference is a fact sensitive question” (nb not ‘is in fact a’).
When the facts change you might expect a QC to change his er opinion.
Not , it would appear, when you are being paid to state otherwise.
MARADOMINIC on 26TH JULY 2017 4:21 PM
They strung along res 12 guys… made one smart arse comment about saying huns can call themselves awhatever they want.. They have backed every bent decision. Never stood up to insist rules were applied.. never complain about bent refs. Ignore all fans concerns.. Atttack their own fans abut sy nothing about other fan
A bit strong but probably accurate.
TGM
Many people have acknowledged it and have done for years, you’re in danger of straying into that Messiah complex area..
There are people on here who have been actively fighting this fight for years you’re disrespecting them coming on here calling us sheep etc.
Writing a post first thing and repeating it in 500 different version throughout the day doesn’t really help mate.
You’re reading as well as writing…right??
HH
Maradominic on 26th July 2017 4:21 pm
They strung along res 12 guys… made one smart arse comment about saying huns can call themselves awhatever they want.. They have backed every bent decision. Never stood up to insist rules were applied.. never complain about bent refs. Ignore all fans concerns.. Atttack their own fans abut sy nothing about other fans
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Sorry but how naïve do you think the Res12 guys were and are?
Without their efforts you and others would be totally uninformed on what has taken place. If I can use another string analogy, give folk enough rope …. it is up to Celtic not to hang themselves now.
The other point is that if Celtic were stringing anyone along it was the shareholders whom they represented not the guys who by persevering have highlighted just how corrupt the whole set up is and have put Celtic into the position of being part of the solution or part of the problem.
Express yourself how you like but don’t insult our intelligence.
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 26TH JULY 2017 4:27 PM
Starry Plough
There needs to be some acknowledgement, that allowing your team to be cheated, is not on.
Im quite right to angry about being cheated by blazers, huns, and the PLC, who if they are not reacting to the hun press, they are banning innocent supporters.
Id could go on all day.
Guys who shout is it. Well its fecking better than being silent, no?
I will be in the front, make no mistake about that.
I wont be sitting on my arse.
HH
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Maintain the anger but keep the heid my friend.
We will see justice done…….of that I have little doubt
MARADOMINIC on 26TH JULY 2017 4:31 PM
5 way agreement must be illegal…..how can a new club be given different rules from all other clubs.. just because a CEO signs an agreemnet doesn’t make it leagally bindining if it is illegal…like their stupid side letters which were not worth the paper they were printed on.
Assuming that you are correct.
What, if anything was Celtic’s role in the affair.
And does it now inhibit any action they may now want to take.
Auldheid
The whole thing shouts GIANINNA — and CM doesn’t mention it anywhere.
Rock Tree Bhoy
After Paul McBride died, or maybe just before, I suspect that there was a subtle shift in approach at Celtic Park where by we decided to stop taking them to task so forcibly and directly.
Fergus was pretty blunt at times, Paul McBride and John Reid were too.
Can’t recall the timeline.
But in this context, they have been taken to task by their own stupidity and now face a review partly because their own QC has come back with an opinion even based on ltd facts and virtually said they have made a mess of it, ran out of wriggle room, held an enquiry that was far too early in the process, delivered a result that many feel short changed football and protected Rangers, have and had no rules sufficient to deal with cheating on this scale etc etc.
That is all admitted and make sure you read the bits about how they have now changed the rules.
And then there is the yes buts:
Yes, you have changed the rules but have you changed the procedures for checking, for scrutinising, and for determining what people should or should not do when faced with a conflict between club and SFA office.
Lastly, notice that it is Doncaster and the SPFL who is mainly on the line here with regard to LNS as it was their commission?
Remember Doncaster saying to WC and others there will definitely be no stripping of titles? Did he have this opinion or a provisional opinion as far back as that?
And note that Regan and the SFA stand at the back, the quiet men, watching, watching and fixing perhaps?
Celtic will say nothing other than that they welcome that it has been recognised that there needed to be a review and that they will be making the necessary submissions and recommendations with regard to the matters that need to be reviewed in their opinion.
They won’t say much more than that at this juncture nor should they.
None of this means that ordinary football fans should not be making some considerable noise.
Regan and the SFA
Starry Plough
I expect Celtic supporters to stand up for what they believe in.
Im voicing my disapproval at the sheer corruption im witnessing.
Im reading and writing, and im fighting this on other fronts, and have been doing so for many years.
I live and work on my computer, i seek and find, and if it seems as though im ranting, well thats what happens when you are outraged.
Im amazed that anybody would even question my anger.
Its a just anger at corruption.
HH
Folks, surely to goodness we can get it right: Old Club and New Club. There is no Old Co, nor New Co. This a figment of the imagination. This only perpetuates the myth. Keep the faith.
HH
KEVJUNGLE on 26th July 2017 4:13 pm
Thank You :-))
to all those lucky enough to get to game tonight , get right behind our bhoys and give RosenBerg a taste of the famous Celtic atmosphere
HH
Auldheid on 26th July 2017 4:27 pm
Original posted on Kerrydale St. Lets see what develops
Ok, been keeping stumph about the details of this, but there is a group who are actively progressing the legal petitioning of the courts for a Judicial review of the SFA and SPFL.
This group is not just Celtic fans.
Can’t divulge the details yet, but work has been going on in the background for quite some time, and legal council has been lined up.
The window to pursue a petition is very limited, so my earlier thread was mainly to gauge appetite for helping to fund this, on this particular board.
The result has been really positive with 95% of people saying they would be willing to contribute.
It is absolutely essential in moving this crowd funding forward that we firstly have discussions with the petitioning group so we support them fully and dont interfere destructively in what they are doing. Secondly its not an exclusive Celtic fans only venture. It is very important that this crowdfunding is not seen as tribal Celtic fans, who have a personal rivalry grudge. It has to be all fans, from all Scottish clubs.
Once we get the nod, I’ll release the details of where to contribute, and people can contribute what they want to. This will happen in next few days.
In the first instance, can you all raise awareness of the crowd-funding with other sites you frequent, the more we wrap in now, the quicker we can send a message tho the SFA and SPFL that we as supporters of Scottish football are not willing to accept the whitewash and continued malgovernance that they are hoping will be allowed to continue.
Stay tuned for further developments.
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Heartening news!!
FRIESDORFER on 26TH JULY 2017 4:42 PM
Folks, surely to goodness we can get it right: Old Club and New Club. There is no Old Co, nor New Co. This a figment of the imagination. This only perpetuates the myth. Keep the faith.
HH
I have long advocated that THEY never died.
CONNAIRE12 on 26TH JULY 2017 4:27 PM
……………………
Indeed! Support the team and unite for the fight
Hail Hail
BRTH
Yup Giannina that went to UEFA then CAS for a ruling that preserves sporting integrity and absolutely nails the underlying principle that if you don’t follow the rules whether in good faith or not, yer done as if you never took part.
The thing is who has locus to take it to UEFA then CAS but a member club?
Who does that put in the firing line?
They really should have listened to us in 2013 and voted for Res12 but can recover by involving UEFA now.
Auldheid…I was in AGM when they basically sidelined res12. i just shook my head and sighed as it is oldest trick in the book..saying thyey were in discussions.. well that is one hell of a discussion.. And I mean no offence to you and rest of guys.. But it is celtic who were robbed of money by sfa..they should have been doing it.
IF the spfl can’t as they say do anything about the EBT years, what about the admitted DOS years ?
It would seem to me that they never get a mention, why would that be then ?
KippersareusCSC
as you may guess i am furious watching 50 years of supporting celtic appear a waste of time a farce…and now Celtic have signed up to a lifetime of more cheating…
The Green Man says SACK THE Board on 26th July 2017 4:42 pm
FFS I thought I was bad. want to form a self help group. LOL
they invented SPFL to try to obscure any action on SPL titles
Ah the heady stench of corruption!
So the SPFL say they cant do anything cos the LNS enquiry (which was rigged) doesn’t allow appeal. And then some chosen Lawyer is heavily paid to give his views (which are not facts).
Celtic remain silent.
Paul says the SPFL will review how it was handled (but no sanctions) and of course celtic will now be able to say a “review” is taking place.
CQN basically is covering up all this along with Celtic – there is a review. And of course nonsense “there will be a challenge” so more jam tomorrow nonsense just to move all you lot along.
CQN and Celtic are taking us for fools and the longer you give your money to them the longer you will be fools.
One last thing – Brendan said this “Celtic is a football club – nothing else.” I thought we were a “club like no other” ah well – suckers are we.
Bye bye Scottish football.
KEVJUNGLE on 26TH JULY 2017 4:15 PM
CELTIC CHAMPS ELECT
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Well,….you would know, eh.
I have forgot more about Celtic than you would ever know dude
Astana 3 -1 legia Warsaw
Shark pool, this euro qualifying thingy.
Ah Mr happy neganon who next fagan and Jack the Ripper
MARADOMINIC on 26TH JULY 2017 4:49 PM
as you may guess i am furious watching 50 years of supporting celtic appear a waste of time a farce…and now Celtic have signed up to a lifetime of more cheating…
Well you need to grow up and stop behaving like a spoilt brat get real ya rocket
SPFL same limited company as SPL with a new name?????
Company number SC175364
Hmmm…..
Mandromic
I have no idea what you do for a living or what your area of business is or was.
So, with that in mind let me tell you the normal kind of thing a well funded PLC or other business does.
When there is an area of dispute with a trade body or competitor which comes down to legals, it hires its own legals.
So, imagine that some time ago this business or PLC is given access to and site of a legal opinion which says that the trade body must follow courses A, B and C and that is an end of the matter.
The prudent and professional business or PLC will immdeiately take its own council, go to its legals and ask them if they think the opinion provided by the trade body is accurate or is correct. The legals (normally solicitors) will recommend that the PLC or business instructs their own QC for an expert opinion.
This second opinion may be based on the same facts and circumstances than the trade body opinion or it may have some additional facts to consider.
The PLC or business’ opinion comes back and says “No, I don’t agree with that first opinion, it should be taken to task and challenged, especially if it comes to light that D, E and F happened”.
The PLC or business calls on the trade body to examine the facts, review its actions, investigate its previous proceedings and circulates the 2nd opinion to other trade members who all vote for a review etc.
Are you getting the picture?
The press release and the opinion state nothing and mean nothing. Ignore them completely.
There is going to be a review. How did that come about — through prayer and a notion that there was nothing to do three weeks on Wednesday?
Yes. expect the SFA and the SPFL to try and fix the terms of reference, the dates, what can be submitted in evidence and who can submit it. Expect them to be as defensive as possible and to try and come out looking clean and innocent and not to blame.
Expect them to find some reason to escape criticism (my money is ultimately on an unpopular Patsy of no consequence) and it is someone’s job to flush out the detail and to get right into the nitty gritty of this.
Do not expect legal, financial or public help from the other clubs on this as they will not spend the resources, time and effort on this.
Only one group of people will.
Let me get this straight.
Fans have been lied to, abused, screwed, pissed on and ignored.
Clubs didn’t only ignore this, they are the ones presently zipping up their flies.
Boycotting and taking money from the clubs is evil and wrong.
But hey, let’s get FANS to challenge this in court, with THEIR money whilst they CONTINUE giving money to the clubs who did it in the first place.
My friends, I am calling bullsh@t on that one. Total bullsh@t.
The solution is simple, it’s always been simple; those who care will STOP funding the people who did it.
Instead, let’s keep enriching clubs … and make some lawyers rich at the same time?
No thank you.
If a judicial review was capable of getting to the bottom of this, and if Celtic WANTED to get to the bottom of this, it would be Celtic who organised it and funded it and did it.
Spare me this “they don’t want it seen as a Celtic-Rangers thing …”
You think ANYONE will see this differently, whoever does it, whatever the outcome?
Asking fans to keep carrying the water … it’s f@@cking shameful.
Money will fix it – both withholding it and using it to fund a legal fight.
Crowdfund me in baby!