So how do you feel about playing a couple of teenagers, Filip Twardzik and debutant Jackson Irvine, in central midfield, but dropping a couple of SPL points? Good, I hope. Welcome to the world of player development.
For a decade or more Celtic produced prodigious youth teams but watched as Dundee United, Hibs, Hearts even Hamilton Accies graduated more effective adult players. Key to this is perhaps ensuring that players are tested at a higher level at key times in their development. In short, if you have not played regular first team football by the time you are 22 there is a good chance you will not fulfil your potential.
There is cost to this development, you’re not going to win all the time, especially when the two teenage central midfielders are surrounded by other young players: Adam Matthews, 20, Tony Watt, 18 and James Forrest, 21. Half time substitute, Victor Wanyama, is still only 21.
I’m looking forward to seeing more teenage kicks in the coming months.
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Paul67,
An Excellent article.
Celtic are on the rise, and the grumblers really should stop grumbling.
For the Grumblers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrhPT5sJLy0
Celtic are building Strongly for the future but unfortunately, it is not apparent to the Grumblers yet.
theweegreenman
When Barca draw or lose in Spain, it’s because teams go at them.
I have faith in Lenny.
The thing with the games against Barca is that we should regard them, as supporters at least as tests, exhibition games, but we need to be real about our prospects. We could give them a game at home if we are totally focussed, but Barca are going to walk the group, we need to concern ourselves with the Spartak and Benfica – both of whom we could beat at home and perhaps sneak something away.
It’s all good.
Malorbhoy
Thanks say hi to JC & G?C next time you see them. Wife says hi too
HH
interesting P67
i suppose in the highly unusual circumstances of this year, the board and lennie think they may get a couple of first teamers out of this in a couple of years. you can’t argue against it
jungle jim
18:37 on 2 September, 2012
emusanorphan
I always stay `till well after the final whistle andI didn`t hear any booing at the end yesterday. From which part of the ground did it emanate?
JJ
I am at rear of main stand WS 2. Sounded like it was coming from Jock Stein.
BRTH,
I have bored generations silly talking of George Connolly. Imo, THE best player to grace a Celtic jersey in my 60 odd years. Bar none, including Bobby Murdoch, who WAS the best passer of a ball I’ve ever seen. We had some wonderful players then and they were gradually blooded by Mr Stein. I have a feeling that Mr Stein used to bring one of that young generation on when we were 3 up against whoever we were playing. And we played some great football against the very best.
TET
To be honest, every time I watch Barca they seem to win, except some of their games against Real.
However, I will take your word for it as you are obviously over there watching them a lot more more than myself.
Agree with you though. I will trust in Lenny
I want the Treble this season.Anything else is a bonus.Was really disappointed we didnt win it last season.
THE EXILED TIM
When Barca draw or lose in Spain, it’s because teams go at them
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No – it’s because they lock Messi in the toilet at half time
thanks for all the black pudding information, no idea I had tapped into a rich seam. I will be going on line to get the stuff direct, fruit pudding will also be ordered and probably a wee haggis as well.
My doctor says thanks.
It does make you think amout MON’s opinion – why bother with youth if you’re gonna end up buying in established players
Gerry Armstrong on SS1 talking about teams playing in the “Bernaybow” stadium reminded me of the spoof John Cole articles in Private Eye.
Try to imagine someone from Norn Iron saying Bo Diddely Qua Qua or How Now Brown Cow!!
T4
Gene’s a Bhoys name
:>)))
Good old Cliftonville.Top of the league.
emusanorphan
I heard the booing from my position in the Jock Stein Stand. It did not sound as though it was exclusively from that location. No one near me was obviously booing and, as soon as we hard any booing, we started clapping the Celts and the Boo Radgies seemed to shut up quickly.
I am concerned that, within our support, there is still a strong appetite from some to feel confident in shouting out football illiterate condemnation of our manager, at home games,without suffering any reprimand from surrounding fans. One such overconfident lunatic several rows behind me in the Jock Stein Upper shouted out- “Why you playing that boy (Watt) wide left, Lennon? (it’s a) Joke!”
Confessional moment…
Sevco wins by a big margin and, despite myself, I feel uneasy. Logically I know that they are detached from my football reality, adrift in the fourth division and in no way relevant to my team’s season. So what makes my stomach twist at the thought of their smugness at a big win I the wee pond? Is it because I crave justice that has yet to be done, and when this justice is (as we can only hope) dealt out will these feelings be a thing of the past?
I know, I know, we are I. The Champions Leagueand in rude health and they are on the precipice, but, as I said, a confessional moment…
jackie mac
MON annoyed me with that comment.
GerryBhoy 21:17 –
Crombies, Broughton Street.
Also do superb links. Sausages that is – not illegal feeds.
Never posted after the game yesterday (my wee band had a gig last night) – but had to add my wee bit to some of the comments others have made re: yesterday’s crowd (some of them) reaction.
Some of the filthy swearing / booing was nothing short of disgraceful – absolutely pathetic and truly hun-like. Some of the people at the game yesterday would be better off never coming back to Celtic Park – vile language, vile attitude. Really wonder about the upbringing that some have obviously endured.
Fair enough to criticse poor play or lack of application, but their was a sizable sprinkling of idiots yesterday who have no conception of what the word “support” actually means – “…f*****g sh**e ya useless c**t…” was their mantra from about 10 minutes in till the end of the game. There is little point in even speaking to people like this – I doubt that they would have an alternative vocabulary, and I do wonder why the come to see Celtic – they bring a negative poison to our ground that we would be better without. Worst kind of hun-like glory hunters.
The Celtic Blog says it well here – http://thecelticblog.com/2012/09/blogs/match-report-beware-idiots-at-home-celtic-twa-hibs-twa?
So, to the hun-like misery-guts that come to do nothing but criticise – why don’t you GTF and let the rest of us support the team – away and join the huns, ’cause you sure would suit each other.
BGFC
Bass bhoy
think of it as stepping in a dog turd – not pleasant but the smell will go
Barca lucky there, free for Valencia, flaged for offside, level I thought.
TET like you was waiting on Inter……………………
This weekend – I couldn’t hit a coo’s banjo with a barn door!!
My apologies
George Connelly- not Connolly.
Awe Naw
I agree that there has to be fundamental change in Scottish Football and that there has been– over a 20 year period— a move towards a commercialism and a scism which has at its core the progression of Rangers Football Club.
I genuinely believe that one of the biggest financial institutions in the country played a part in trying to weaken every Scottish Club other than Rangers by allowing that corporate entity a degree of financial leeway which negated the need for any new Scottish talent at all to start with, whilst at the same time ensuring that rival clubs were given nothing like any type of comparative financial assistance to either spend in the transfer market or to develop young players.
Scottish football has been financially gerrymandered for a generation!
Thankfully that trend is dead— dead , buried, exhumed if not exposed ( as yet ) and cremated.
We need to finish the job and ensure that any type of corruption is banished but never forgotten.
Separately Celtic need to develop. They need to develop commercially, socially, and physically with a strategy that looks commercially and emotively beyond Scotland and once again in to the heart of Europe.
When we were at our greatest, Rangers were also playing in the European Cup Winners Cup Final. Scotland– with a team that was not a patch on the lions— were humbling the world champions at Wembley. Scotland was just about THE footballing nation in Europe.
That will not happen again no matter what changes are made at the SFA or elsewhere– unless— gradually– we— Celtic— put together a team that can excite, fire the imagination, fuel the support and unleash the weapon that is the Celtic pound– as someone said earlier– we should be a marketing agents dream because of the worldwide support for a team that does not often feast at the very top table these days.
It can be done.
By the way here is another rare clip.
For those who never saw Jimmy and Bertie at their very best, nor recognised how football changed that day in May 1967 have a look at this. Listen to Stein’s words and then watch as his wee local side tear the Bernabau apart.
You will never realsie how good they were until you see for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFs-H99-J4&feature=related
This is WEE Big Georges fan club. Everybody should stop booing the hoops espesially Sammy because Sammy is awsome!
Wee geoges fan club is going to bed
praecepta
Roma were 5/2, hindsight eh.
Got a good one with Shef Utd yesterday, stuck nearly everything on them @ evens.
Good day today, 2 up so far, 1 to go and 1 up 10 mins left.
RobertTressell
We have players within our group who will have aspirations to join Barca etc.
Barca have been relatively bad travellers in Europe over the last few seasons, usually because they have difficult fixtures surrounding their European games. ;))
Neil wants his team to be a flair and attacking team, and they will become it, but it is gonnae be backs to the wall in the ol Nou Camp, and I would not rule it out that we get out of there with a point, which would make the next game even more difficult.
I do reckon we can take Barca at home and if we have been Destroyed 5-0 over there, I think it will not be a bad thing at all.
I have said for years n years that Barca can beat any team in the world by 5 goals (allied to 70+ % possession against these teams), even the Premierships MIGHTIEST.
Celtic can, and always have, beaten Europe’s finest at home.
Sevco fans are pathetic.
They remind me of the North Koreans when The Beloved Leader died.
All desperately trying to show how loyal they are. Celebrating yet another tainted win ably assisted by their ludge brothers with yet more dodgy decisions and honest mistakes.
They truly have no shame and just want to celebrate winning regardless of how it happens.
God how I’m glad I’m a Tim.
Young footballers and cash and fast cars.
Man cty kid, Courtney Meppen-Walter,
Held on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving
And 3 others with serious head injuries
In a support of 40, 50, 60,000 there will always be a difference of opinion and a difference of opinion in how to express that opinion. We all know of supporters near us who moan constantly, we all know of supporters who berate particular players and who use colourful language. Maybe I have grown used to it – it happens and frankly, it’s fine if it does. It’s mostly a fleeting frustration, and often turns to the same fans jumping around to celebrate a goal or applauding a move. People booed yesterday – I don’t care about that. I didn’t, and some did. We’re not Corinthians, we’re not in the members area at Lord’s. I am not condoning any or most of what we hear, but I do think a large whack of it is frustration and lack of patience, rather than a violent or menacing undercurrent.
Ah read Sir Paul’s… Leader…
And it wiz good.
Because, it wiz under stated.
And.. Naeithing beats being “understated”.. in whitever wan.. well.. States.
Noo.. everybuddy , knows..or should.. that .. A potentially gifted youngster,in any field o’ endeavour… needs.. only wan thing,in order tae fulfill his latent potential..
and that wan thing is..
“Experience.”
Noo, knowing that.. then the next question ,naturally.. bubbles forth..frum
nine oota ten o’ ma readers..
“and.. how diz wan gain this magical adjunct?”
Ah am gled ye asked. although.. you may no be very thrilled wi’ Ma Answer..
And that answer is..
“Wan kin only gain Experience , by MAKING MISTAKES…”
Hmmmmm..
Ye never thought o’ it ..that wey, before?
Fur..obviously ye didnae..
or..
Ye widnae hiv asked such a Dumb question!
Sure, The Kids ,in yesterday’s Game.. made.. Mistakes..
Da~
Ah widnae hae it any ither wey..
Noo… Tak me .. fur instance..
When Ah wiz struggling tae familiarize Masel .. wi’ a new Joab.. Ah made the startlng discovery that .. Ah wid never become Profficient at Ma New Joab..
Until, Ah gained that Magical Thingmy..
Called..
Experience.
And.. again .. as everbuddy knows.. Experience, is the Thingmajig.. that one must
Obtain.. until Wan kin become Profficient at wan’s joab.
and.. again.. as everybuddy knows..
Wan kin never Become.. EFFICIENT, at wan’s Joab.. until.. well.. Wan, becomes..
PROFFICIENT… at.. Wan’s Joab.
Right..???
Profficiency, must come afore.. Efficiency.. every time and twice oan Sunday.
Noo.. tae continue… How Diz wan gain that Magical ..”Experience”. thingmy..
that Ah hiv bin talking aboot…??
Well, Ah quickly fun oot.. and Ah say. Quickly.. because.. Ah am the type of Guy,
who disnae need tae Examine a Red Hoat Horse-Shoe.. in Ma Haun fur too long..
Tae me…It wiz soon stickin oot the Proverbial Mile..and a Country wan, at that..
That..
Unless, Ah Made Mistakes..Ah wid never ever gain that Magical.. Thingmy.. Fur, whenevah Ah made a Mistake… Ah paid the Penalty..
and.. Naebuddy likes tae :Pay A Penalty.. well,At least.. Ah imagine that tae be true..but, .mebbe. somefolk dae.. well… Like..tae Pay the Penalty..
Who Knows?
Anyway,Ah discovered that ..if Ah didnae repeat that PARTICULAR Mistake.. Ah didnae.. well..suffer the agony and the embarrrassment of.. well.. :Paying that Particular.. Penalty.
So.. Ah did whit any red blooded.. person o’ indeterminate nationality .. did.. and diz..
Why ah ..
LEARNED,no tae Mak that Particular Mistake.. Agin…
Boy..did Ah evah!
So…
Like Sir Paul.. intimated…
Ah hope Neil.. keeps oan slippin in the odd wan or three or four.. Untested . and
INEXPERIENCED KIDS..intae his starting eleven..
IN SELECTED GAMES.. Of COURSE~
and..Likewise..
Ah hope that these same.. Inexperienced Youngsters..
Keep making thur MISTAKES…
fur..
Well..
Like Ah hiv already said..
The Quicker wan gets the making of those .. Embarrassin’ and Coastly Mistakes over and done wi’..when wan approaches a New Joab…
The Quicker Wan will become Profficient at that Line of Woik..
Fir… Naebuddy likes tae be Punished..and Publically Humiliated…and ye wull be.. as sure as the Pope
likes Pat Buchanan… if ye Dinnae LEARN fae Yer Mistakes.
So..
Here’s tae Mair Youngsters.. getting the Chance tae ..well.. Mak awe the Mistakes
that they possibly kin..in the shortest period . which they kin..
And.
Thereby..
Gain Experience.. and become.. Profitable members of “God’s Eleven”
and the only wey that wull happen.. is
Fur those Youngsters.. tae.. well.. get a run oot.. in the First Eleven… as many times as
it takes ..in order tae gain.. that Magical Thingmy…
Experience.
Maks sense tae Me.
Kojo
Still, Laughin’.
Brave Tom Williams:
Tom Williams was hanged in Crumlin Road Gaol Belfast at 8a.m. on Wednesday 2nd September 1942,aged 19.
Before Williams was executed he inscribed some messages on the backs of some playing cards. On one he wrote “To ever who receives this to pray for me always & pray for the cause for which I am dying. God Save Ireland….”Father Alexis who witnessed the execution spoke after to his friends in the prison chapel. “I met the bravest of the brave this morning”, he said, “Tom Williams walked to that scaffold without a tremor in his body. The only people who were shaking were us and the hangman. Father Alexis concluded by saying to the remaining prisoners, “I’ve one other thing to say to you. Don’t pray for Tom Williams, pray to him, for at this moment Tom is a saint in heaven.”
why on earth did Phil Mac sign up with the Scum to do his serialisation? (Now pulled)
I’m glad tonight for two reasons – one I can look my Liverpudlian friends in the eye tomorrow, and two it has given him more publicity for the book.
But the Sun Phil? Get a grip – do I need to post their front page from April 17th 1989?
THE EXILED TIM
22:04 on 2 September, 2012
Young footballers and cash and fast cars.
Man cty kid, Courtney Meppen-Walter,
Held on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving
And 3 others with serious head injuries
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I heard it tonight (Talksport) driving home from dropping the wee man off at his Mum’s.
A real tragedy, sounds like both parents have been killed. :(((
The MC player was in a high performance car, I think the other car was quite small.
petec
A Merc and a Micra.
Shocking.
my favourite black pudding.
http://www.charlesmacleod.co.uk/home.aspx
sweet like it’s Catalan cousin
BT cutting from frozen is not a bad idea.
give it 30 mins out the freezer use a sharp solid knife
clean then dip in water between every slice.
This will give you nice even pieces.
Phyllis – “But the Sun Phil? Get a grip – do I need to post their front page from April 17th 1989?”
Don’t think it would do any harm to remind us at this point.
I noticed the “Justice for the 96” banner at the Helsingborgs home game.
Justice!
T4