Brendan Rodgers would have looked at Kris Commons age, position and recent injury record and assumed he’s not going to get much from him this season. He’d not be the first Celtic manager to come to that conclusion about Kris.
Kris has created more chances per minutes played than anyone in a Celtic shirt over the last decade, and that includes the golden era of Nakamura, Maloney and McGeady, which brought us into the Champions League knock out stages for the first time.
He didn’t fit Ronny’s system and might not fit Brendan’s, but to win leagues, cups and qualify for Europe, you need someone who can be relied upon to open obstinate defences, and we’ve struggled to find a better tool for this job than Kris Commons.
He’s in the final year of his final Celtic contract, but if he goes, I hope it’s not before 31 August.
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BSR
That should be his priority along with a CB.
The rest can wait imo.
HH
Paul,
Kris Commons was my firm favourite during the Lenny era, how could he not have been with his flair and goal contribution?
I had also hoped that he may stay and work towards his coaching badges, following John Kennedy’s path.
His influence on the dressing room I wouldn’t comment on, it’s all speculation.
Once Ronny arrived with his own ideas, Kris by his behavior and effort on the pitch had obviously decided this change was not to his liking. No matter Ronny’s failings, his conduct as an employee and senior representative of the Club was nothing short of disappointing.
With the wages he is sinking into his account, and his behavior during the Molde debacle, he should have been booted out the door and told to find a new club. Would never want him near a coaching position now either.
FallenHeroesCSC
RobinBhoy –
Did you really mean 0.2L for 1 Euro? That sounds pretty average for about a third of a pint.
Did you perhaps mean half-a-litre?
TET
I don’t disagree. We have too many midfielder/wingers and some will need to go.
An experienced CB should be slotted right in ahead of everyone except Sviatchenko.
I’d cut Lustig free as well, as we need to move on with younger players.
BSR
Yip, it’s like we were collecting them, looking for the diamond and we find the fools gold :-)
I think what he does with Broonie will be telling.
As you say a quality CB first of with a quality middy and we should be cooking.
Then it’s all about moulding them into a cohesive unit.
HH
AULD TAM
Nope 0.2L for €1 when watching the Italy Germany game, you could get a pint for less €2.5 but in the centre of Lisbon much more than this. In the more fancy bars €15 for a G&T!
I like Bitton,still waiting to find his best position IMO,but €7 million is a fair offer if true,if that’s their opening offer we could maybe squeeze another million from them.
Commons was an excellent player but the petulant outburst and tirade at the management team, no matter how justified, was a disgrace. For that alone he should not have worn the jersey again, as for Charlie Mulgrew…..
Bada …. I am probably one of Bitton’s biggest fans on here, but I am questioning, not his ability, but whether he fits in with the game as played in scotland …. if we cant figure out how to get more of his (in my view) undoubted talents, then, lets cash in, use the money to fill other gaps, and let him get on with a career in a place more suited to his style (spain perhaps).
TTT –
The rail seating will be locked in the UP position during all but Eueopean games, so supporters in the standing section have no option but to stand.
Makes sense from a safety point of view. Can’t really have a mixture of some standing and others sitting.
TET-as I’ve been saying on here for a while,Broony might have to chuck that Scotland mob to continue his Celtic career,a lot of injuries maybe starting to catch up now
MIT-agree,maybe a bit like Ki who is more suited to EPL style of play HH
Bada
Aye, scotland is only holding him back, another telling thing was when he came on the other night, Erik kept the armband, never seen that happening before.
HH
Bada …. I agree that the EPL is still pretty much full paced compared to most leagues, but perhaps a bit slower than the SPL …. but I really rated Ki, and think that he would have been an even better player in more technical leagues live Spain or Germany. I think he would have been a revelation there.
ROBINBHOY
Thanks very much for the info
:)
HH
TET-I noticed that,BR maybe firing a wee warning shot to Scott,if you read the link I posted a wee while ago,BR dropped his captain at Swansea for the good of the team…..
TET
Think Broonie is on trial even more so that a few of them because of his ‘form loss’
The dinner date in London was just the start of it.
RD over relied on his captain, Rodgers was clued up about Celtic before he even accepted the job.
If the rumours are true, he’s working hard sorting out a team from a squad.
On a different note …. I’m getting nervous …. I said that, unless Celtic have said or done something re: res 12/cheating, before the SPL season starts, I wont watch another Celtic game until they do ….
time is running out and the silence from Celtic is deafening!
come on PL, get the F’ing(er) out! You’re making me very nervous!!!!!
One man’s safe standing is another man’s rail seating.
Paul67 et al
Thought Johanson was getting back to form towards the end of the season, worth more than the quoted figure albeit with limited time on his contract. Matt Ritchie went from Bournemouth to Newcastle for £12 mill. Twelve! Jo Allen way overrated at £14 mill and even more so at the £16 mill Liverpool paid for him. A fit Commons could a play fair part for us next season, like to see him get over the 100 goals, no mean feat for a midfielder.
Bada/BSR
I read about that, he can be ruthless when he wants, at the end of the day his rep is on the line as well.
It’s all about the team.
HH
Paul67
KC neatly falls into one of those ‘speed of trust’ categories:
Change too much too soon, and things don’t work out – absolutely slaughtered!
Don’t change enough quickly,and things don’t work out- absolutely slaughtered!
The decision will boil down to whether BR feels he can charm KC into a few match winning performances … Or, if he feels he is going to undermine him – like a few feel he did with Ronny!
Personally, I would hunt Charlie, Jamsey, and Kris …all regular sick notes and days numbered anyway….. But keep Broony. not as Captain, as a ‘trusted’ backroom lieutenant. ( he will know about the breakfast cereal chat by now and that may have come up in conversation over dinner … i don’t actually know, but it seems there was a stooshie early doors that both RD and Broony might have handled better!) He is obviously not going to be Brendan’s captain so the line has been drawn by the new manager!
i have some fantastic memories of each one of the above over the years. However, if none of them are in the squad by Feb 2017 I don’t think we would suffer unduly.
They are not part of the long-term solution .. They may or may not be part of the problem.
Time will tell!!
The Clumpany,
Come on here and explain what is happening!
Saltires
As most on here know, I have never appreciated Brown’s talents they way most on here do. And I dont see him fitting into a BR style of team.
But, I would say this … he has given his best for Celtic (often through difficult personal times), and deserves respect for that. And I could be wrong, but he doesn’t strike me as someone who would be happy coming off the bench.
I think if he isn’t going to be a starter for BR, then he should be given the chance to find another team. I think he has earned that.
MIKEINTORONTO@6:33
Just exactly do you want Celtic to say?
Do you want a statement regardless of the consequences?
Do you want a rant?
This matter is not as straightforward as some would have us believe.
You can do as you wish and issue threats – it doesn’t work like that for organisations and companies.
Mats …
no threats. just a statement. See… its not that difficult to do.
And, having done this work for a quarter of a century (making statements for companies, putting out fires, handling problems), I can pretty much tell you that, in my experience, it can work like that …. if the people running the companies have the desire to do so. Or if they are forced into doing the right thing.
Mike in Toronto
He absolutely deserves the repsect of all fans and the management team.
My view is that Brendan must establish his authority early on. It seems he has decided that Broony is not going to be his captain. Erik never offered the armband and Broony never asked for it. So either Brendan likes to keep the starting Captain for 90 mins and there is nothing to see here…Or…. A change has been made.
I can see Broony accepting that he needs to prove himself in the new midfield (to Brendan) Depending on how it was positioned that might turn into one of the most motivating decisions any Celtic manager has ever made. Or not!
The spotlight is now on that situation. Situation, situation… :-)
Oh well, holiday almost over and good tomorrow . My least favourite moment – about to pack to come home. But wait……what’s that you say my love….there are still some beers in the fridge to finish…..
Life’s Good
And anything over £1M for Stefan I’d grab.
But keep Efe ;-)
Well, that’s the fitba season back just had to book our CSC’s first bus for the new season for next weeks friendly against Wolfsburg.
Know that there is some CQNrs from the Stirling area and that some of them maybe homeless this season so if yer interested in joining then get Winning Captains to pass on my contact details.
HH
Saw this headline on newsnow…frightened to open it in case do some
damage to my ribs.
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HALLIDAY: THIS IS HOW RANGERS ARE GAINING AN EDGE OVER CELTIC DURING PRE-SEASON
Mike
graham hunters interview/podcast with strachan is superbe and there is a wee illuminating bit of how GS rates and considers Scott Brown
chin chin
Our new manager explains below how he manages a squad, very revealing
Brian Clough who new how to manage said managers were at there strongest in first 3 months, Brendan has IMO played it very well so far his interviews are on a different level from previous two managers, looking forward to seeing what emerges when its showtime, hopefully a level above the RD Euro disasters
it was as he discussed one of the most-sensitive issues a manager has to deal with – how to move players out of the side or, indeed, out of the club – that he admitted to a ruthless streak which should serve him well in the weeks and months ahead.
“For me, it is always about the team,” said the 43-year-old.
“That is the most important thing. There is no individual player bigger than the club.
“Take what happened with Steven Caulker and Garry Monk five years ago when I was at Swansea.
“We had just got promoted to the Premier League, and Garry was my captain, the man who had led us there.
“He had been brilliant for me over the course of a few seasons.
“But I dropped him and put a 19-year-old kid, Steven Caulker (who at that time was on loan from Spurs and is now being linked with Celtic), in his place in central defence.
“I made that choice because I knew he could help the team. You take that emotion out of it and you just focus on that one question – will this action help us?
“And, of course, it did. Steven came in and was terrific for us. He went to the Olympics, he played for England and, subsequently, for Liverpool.”
While happy at the positive impact of that change, the new Celtic boss stresses he was not oblivious to the potentially devastating effect on a man who remains, to this day, one of his closest footballing allies.
“It was tough for Garry, and I knew silence would have been the death sentence in this case,” said Rodgers.
“So I explained it so he could understand exactly why I was dropping him.
“He still had a very important role as the leader of the group. He was then able to get involved with the other side, which was coaching.
“Since then, of course, he has gone on to be a manager himself, at Swansea indeed, and now he is in charge at Leeds United.
“But listen. If the same situation arises here at Celtic, then I will do the same thing again.
“If I feel the 17-year-old is better than the 27-year-old, then it will be the 17-year-old who plays – because it is for the best of the team.”
Rodgers admits the fact he grew up a Celtic fan was a big factor in him heading north to take the manager’s job.
He believes potential signing targets who head to Glasgow’s East End for a look round will quickly be bitten by the bug
“I see Celtic as one of the great institutions in the world,” he continued.
“We all know the league is different to the one down south, and the market is not the same.
“However, the experiences players can get with us, well, there are not many clubs in England who can give them that.
“Which is why there may come a day when these young players we have on loan – the likes of Patrick Roberts – might want to return to us on a permanent basis, which would be great.”
The key for Rodgers, though, as outlined by his use of the example with Monk and Caulker, will always be that the needs of the many
outweighing the needs of the few.
“Players who come to us, be it in the short term or on a permanent deal, have got to buy into the responsibility of being part of what we are trying to achieve for all the time they are with us,” said Rodgers.
“I don’t want those who think this is just a loan.
“Those who do come are always given a document from me, outlining the fundamentals of how we play in terms of offensive organisation, defensive organisation, offensive transition, defensive transition.
“And they get the rules and regulations of how I work, outlining what is expected in their relationships with people down to what happens if they are late.
“It is something I have picked up from all the years I have been in the job, from the days when I was coaching kids as young as eight years old to the great players at Chelsea.
“It’s details. Or as they say in Spanish: ‘los detalitos’ – the small details.’
“Things like everyone wearing the same kit, not having people walking around in different brands of shorts.
“That is something which has never been a problem for me, but I know it can be.
“If everyone is in the same uniform, and you have a way of working as a unit, then everyone feels part of it.
“You then see the magic begin and, over time, it evolves in front of you.
“And so far the guys have been unbelievable. They smile, they run, they work. They press, they pass. And they have the humility.
“It’s great. It takes time but you put it in place at the beginning, you see it develop and it’s beautiful
The pint ?? thing in europe is a bit of a con unless you stay away from branded bars.
Pub I go to in Madrid are doing a deal for euros 2016
€1.5 for 40cl beer
Side orders for food €1 each. Covers onion rings, chips, chicken nuggets etc
Normally beer €3 and sidies €2
VP
I opened it and it bore no relation to the headline, it’s pish, like 99% of stuff on Newsnow, all thy are after is your hits.
HH
whitedog
How ya keeping, pal? Found a nice little italian restaurant in TO recently. As close to the food I had in Rome as I have had in a while. Hopefully you will make it over here soon, and we can enjoy a dinner there!
I will look for that intreview. I didn’t always appreciate how his teams played, but I sure enjoyed Strachan’s interviews. A clever, funny guy!
Lionsroar … thanks for posting that. A good read.
Worth remembering that the only player BR mentioned during his opening press conference was … his captain, Scott Brown. (His words).
He then flew him to London for a pow wow in week one of the job.
I would expect Brown to be first name on the team sheet when the season starts, wearing the armband. What happened the other night with the armband is probably irrelevant.
TET
Gracias amigo…let that be a warning to you :O)
Do not open any crap posted by myself.hh
Had a lovely afternoon in the company of Auldheid.
Gave him a copy of the Tribune de Geneve with the Res12 ad in it – he’s chuffed and is going to get it framed.
Also gave him a copy of the brilliantly funny
Govania beach book. You can get your copy at Cqnbookstore.com – it is driving the zombies crazy!!
News to follow on Res12. Expect a statement on here shortly.
Seat belts fastened and remember
Persistence beats Resistance….