I see a justification for yesterday’s vote has been issued. The chairman of one club spoke to several of my contacts in the media with a completely different version, using both the F word and the C word.
Apparently he believes several SPL clubs are being led by the C word – Celtic. Or to be more precise, “F***ing Celtic”, a name reserved for use by a specific demographic. All off the record, of course, but incredibly indiscrete, betraying his world view.
If that’s how you feel, man up and say so publicly. Tell us who you think is really bringing Scottish football to its knees, I am sure everyone will agree this is a time for frankness.
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Starry -it’s like winning the X-factor.
Jungle Jim, that would do it.
Just names will do too, there won’t be space for comments from everyone.
dontbrattbakkinanger
09:30 on 17 April, 2013
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This 60M allows Qpr to extend its’ debt to over 90M!!! Is nobody learning the lesson of sevco?
Winning Gemmell
A poster (think it was el maestro< could have been mickbhoy) quoted the attendance at the United semi as 38,000 (not 28k as was heard by the earlier poster). I do not know his source because, as you say, most reports have not included the attendance, strangely enough.
The poster quoting 38k was advancing it as proof that Armageddon is here and we need Sevco back but I pointed out that we only got 36, 609 at our last Scottish Cup semi with Hearts and we still had Sevco in the division at that time.
Michael Sheen will have his work cut out to give full range to the MBB’s craziness in the forthcoming Sevco pic ” How Green Was My Valet”.
Surely nothing will happen today … all of the important figures like Mr Green and Super Sally will be heading south for the Big Event.
As I pointed towards earlier DBBIA, Man City, arguably the most ‘affluent’ club in the world right now, turn over about £20m from gate receipts (the figure from last season was £21.9m), yet they received, in total, over £88m from television. £88m, in one season! Over £64m of that was from non-Uefa sources.
Unbelievable.
In comparison, our gates receipts in the same period, arguably a key indicator towards the ‘size’ of our club, was over 30% greater than Man City’s. Our multimedia income (for everything) was marginally over £9m, or about 11% that of Man City’s.
I’m very much coming round to the notion that it’s an absolute must for us to move to another league.
My wee mum always says you should not speak ill of the dead. Sorry mum…
I spit in your grave Maggie and hope you rot in hell.
Craigy bhoy has sold the book and film rights to his and Greens takeover. Now there is a film I would love to see. I could see De Niro playing Chuckles…
Aberdeen calling Gilmour a liar.
Aberdeen Football Club today expressed
its intense frustration and disappointment
following the extensive period of work
undertaken by many to bring forward
plans that would have delivered;
– a single merged league with a
substantial increase in meaningful games
– a major expansion of play-offs offering
greater opportunities for promotion
between divisions
– a pyramid structure across the entire
game
– a substantial redistribution of income to
the present SFL 1 clubs most in need of
that income
– opportunities to fully exploit commercial
central revenues to the benefit of the
game as a whole
Set out below is the detailed process that
led us to believe that the reorganisation
proposal would have been unanimously
approved by all twelve member Clubs on
Monday.
In September 2012 the SPL set up a
reorganisation group consisting of
representatives of Clubs across the SPL
(Aberdeen FC, Celtic FC, Dundee FC,
Hearts FC Kilmarnock FC and St
Johnstone FC). The Group was tasked
with the process of bringing forward plans
that would bring significant benefits as
outlined above to the game at every level.
At the very outset all agreed, that
matters of league structure, voting and
distribution had to be agreed if the
proposals were to succeed i.e. dealing
with voting alone would not lead to
compromise and a successful outcome.
Our desire, and the final proposal
demonstrated, that the correct approach
was to reduce significantly protected
matters only to those areas that protect
all member Clubs. Further, ALL Clubs
would need to compromise to ensure a
balanced package was delivered.
The resolution on changing the voting on
protected matters from 11-1 to 9-3 was
deferred on a number of occasions from
April 2012 andat the request of the
majority of SPL Clubs was withdrawn at
the meeting on 3 December.
During these discussions it was agreed by
all parties that the key to unlocking the
deadlock was to deliver far more
meaningful games to the supporters that
would also be attractive to broadcasters
and sponsors alike. In order to make this
possible the reorganisation group agreed
that increased promotion and relegation
was essential, a risk the clubs were
prepared to take for the good of the game.
The reorganisation group also agreed that
the clubs at the top of the league would
need to give up considerable merit
payments if a reorganisation was to be
delivered. The combination of these two
major compromises would have enabled
significant sums to be delivered into the
lower leagues thereby meaning that
relegation from the top division could be
managed by clubs that were most at risk
as a result of these proposals as well as
significant sums into the second tier.
The reorganisation group also reviewed
all protected matters requiring an 11-1
vote and unanimously agreed these be
reduced principally to matters around
league reconstruction, any further
changes to the financial distribution
model (as the top SPL sides had given up
considerable sums all recognised any
further changes needed to be protected),
retention of home gates and limiting the
number of home games shown live on
television by each club (for which no
direct income is received). The latter two
principles are vital to protect ALL clubs
and maximise the value of central
contracts. The reorganisation group also
agreed an all through financial
distribution model.
The working group presented these plans
to all SPL Clubs at a General Meeting on 3
December 2012 and all twelve clubs
agreed that the 12-12 (and three 8’s)
proposal should be taken forward as this
delivered the maximum meaningful
games and that the restructuring group
should discuss these proposals with the
SFA, PGB and the SFL management
Board. As indicated above it was at this
meeting that the majority of clubs agreed
to withdraw the resolution with regards to
changing the 11-1 requirement on
protected matters.
Following two meetings with the SFA and
SFL the second being on 9 January 2013
which was attended on behalf of the SPL
by the restructuring group clubs as well
as St Mirren, the three organisation’s
Chief Executives were able to announce
that the new structure had been agreed in
principle.
The SPL Clubs met in General Meeting on
28 January 2013 for an update and
unanimously agreed in principle to take
forward the 12-12-18 (the 18 having been
the preferred option of the SFL as
opposed to two leagues of 10) with the
voting and all through 42 distribution
model accepted after input from the SFL
management board as to the sums
involved. This also enabled the vast
majority of SFL clubs to agree to move
the process forward.
Following the above meeting the SPL
Board, given the unanimous support for
the principles, commissioned legal work
to be undertaken to draft agreements and
documentation based entirely on the
principles reached by the Clubs. The time
and effort put into this process was huge
and the SPL Executive, Board,
restructuring team and legal
representatives spent considerable time
on this to enable final documents to be
sent out to all SPL Clubs.
Following a further General Meeting on 11
March 2013 all SPL Clubs agreed that the
clubs should reconvene to formally vote
on the proposal and the SPL met with the
SFA, PGB and SFL on 2 April 2013 to
agree a detailed timetable to enable the
SPL and SFL Clubs to meet and vote on
the proposals to take effect at the start of
season 2013/14.
Given the level of discussion outlined
above and the opportunity for clubs to
indicate well in advance of Monday’s
meeting where they stood on the key
principles of league reconstruction, voting
and distribution, we found it difficult to
understand why the two clubs that
rejected the proposal waited until so late
in the day to state they would vote
against. Given the serious implications of
a no vote, we proposed along with Celtic
FC, that in the event of the new 12 12
(and three 8’s) not delivering the
outcomes we all hoped it would, then it
could be changed by a 9-3 majority i.e.
future league reconstruction would cease
to be a protected matter. We felt, as did
others, that this dealt with the barriers
preventing St Mirren and Ross County
agreeing to back the proposal as they had
in the past. Unfortunately they stated they
still could not agree to support this. They
did not even agree to allow the member
clubs at short notice to vote on the
proposal removing league restructuring
from protected rights which we find very
difficult to understand.
We believe that Monday’s failure to deliver
the real benefits to the national game was
a huge mistake. In particular, as the SPL
stated on Monday, although not perfect,
the proposals presented a chance to
revitalise the game and offered significant
benefits in particular to full time
professional clubs in Scotland presently
in the second tier.
Only by delivering a new organisational
structure, as the proposal did, that
significantly increases meaningful games
enabling financial benefits to be passed
down to all clubs will the game move
forward. Voting reform and an all through
financial distribution would also have
occurred. It is extremely difficult to see
another way of delivering all of these
benefits that will receive the backing
required.
As we have done during this whole
debate, and indeed in all previous
attempts to reorganise the game,
Aberdeen FC will work with others who
share our belief in delivering real positive
change to the game.
The challenges ahead are massive. As a
Club we will now concentrate on taking
AFC forward under our new manager
Derek McInnes to deliver success for our
supporters.
dirtymac- and how much of that goesin wages and agents’ fees?
The money going in is not being used to help bring down ticket prices.
Filthy day here in the Rebel County………
….what’s it like in Englandshire?
traditionalist88
09:03 on 17 April, 2013
Did you mispell Plant ………’plank’
So many Christians , not able to show forgiveness for Maggies bad deeds.
What is happening to good old fashioned Christian Values?
TT
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I think they were sold off
TinyTim
10:09 on
17 April, 2013
They went the same way as society. There’s no such thing, as she said.
I’d be happier if it was Thatcherism that was being buried..
Clear blue sky , mid 20s and rising —–way down south. Developing sympathy and empathy with the residents of Auld Reekie at Festival time . My life is being impaired by parties of English coots doing Montalbano tours .
Aleksandar Tonev says it is an “honour” to be a target for Celtic and the Lech Poznan winger would be keen on a summer transfer.
The Bulgaria international has regularly been linked with a move to Celtic, and is also reportedly a target of Italian duo Fiorentina and Lazio.
However, the 23-year-old is prepared to reject the opportunity to head to Serie A in favour of playing regular Champions League football at Parkhead.
“It’s an honour to know Celtic are interested in me,” Tonev told the Daily Record.
“They have a big history and their performance in Europe this year has shown they are ready to create some new history.
“Last summer there were Italian teams interested and even though Serie A is one of the top leagues it’s important for me I consistently play Champions League football. Celtic is somewhere I could achieve that.
“I just concentrate on playing. Hopefully a move can be organised this summer.”
Tonev still has two seasons to run on his contract with Lech, but reports have previously suggested the Polish side would accept an offer in the region of £2million.
Could this be a goer for next season
http://www.football411.com/story/0,22162,8733_8645179,00.html
HH
Dontbrattbakkinanger
10:04 on
17 April, 2013
dirtymac- and how much of that goesin wages and agents’ fees?
The money going in is not being used to help bring down ticket prices.
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Which club (both points)? Man City have amongst the lowest prices in the EPL. We have the highest in Scotland (by a decent margin).
and the obligatory youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ASw5bAS6Y
Don’t agree with Graeme Yorke’s parochial view in the Mail – but I did find this paragraph amusing.
Have you tried listening to the Scottish results lately? No, neither have I. It’s a complete waste of time. Celtic win everything now that Rangers are competing in the Shetland Isles Division Four. No amount of whisky, let alone Irn-Bru, could make you think having the full rundown of results from north of the border – and Wales, come to think of it – is worthwhile. Not even for the fabled Forfar 4 East Fife 5.
Having read the response of some fans on the TSFM site, I have to agree with earlier posters that the evidence that either Ross County or St. Mirren voted for pro-Sevco reasons is, at best, flimsy.
Roy McGregor has never betrayed any pro-Sevco or anti-Celtic tendencies and has been, it seems rightly, been given credit for consistency of opposition and listening to his fans.
The evidence against St. Mirren is only a little stronger because there is room for speculation. Stewart Gilmour is accused of :-
Having changed the voting intentions of his club
Having done so under the influence of Sevco
Having expressed frustration with f****g Celtic
Now, as I understand it. His original vote in favour was only a commitment to take things forward and not to continue voting in favour of “one and only one” form of reconstruction. He consulted with his Board and his fans and he represented their opposition to the current proposals. He and they were not convinced that this was the one and only time that reconstruction be considered and that this was the one and only model to do so. I do not consider that a dogmatic or a prejudiced opposition.
Secondly, Charlie Green attended the St. Mirren match in plain sight. If St. Mirren fans or fellow Board members thought that there had been attempts to influence their vote by Charles green, they would have been as up-in-arms about it as they were when Mr. McGeoch tried to buy him out with a pro-Sevco proposal. St. Mirren supporters, and they are not all of the Chico/Leckie/ Graeme McPherson variety, are fully behind Mr. Gilmour in his opposition.
Thirdly, the bad language of Mr. G. Well most CQN posters will have uttered the exact refrain of Effin Celtic at some time or other and we know that we are not Sevcovians. OK, he said it in regard to Celtic’s Effin Rules (proposals for reconstruction) but I have to ask, “Is he really wrong in that?” These proposals did go forward with Celtic’s approval and, I would suggest, with Celtic’s ultimatum, “Take it or Leave it! This is a once in a lifetime offer!”. Now I do not know about you, but i have a rule to be sceptical about taking offers which have to be agreed on the spot or within 8 hours of hearing them. It is almost invariably a device to prevent comparisons of value being undertaken or to prevent examination of the flaws and rationale of the scheme. I think Mr. Gilmour was right to see Celtic as, if not the architect, of these proposals, then at least as a major signatory to the compromise in them.
Therefore I can see Mr. Gilmour’s vote as frustrating to the wishes of most SPL chairmen, including Celtic’s. To that extent he voted against our wishes, though I am struggling to see how he voted against our interests. The evidence that he voted pro-Sevco, however, is really speculative and born more from frustration at the outcome than of evidence from the machinations involved.
In voting either for or against these proposals I am not convinced that Celtic’s long term interests were seriously harmed, nor those of the SPL in general. There is talk of a TV deal and sponsorship being affected but no clear details of these could be advanced, in favour of the proposals, for reasons of confidentiality. In other words, voting yes to them was buying a pig in a poke.
I am even less convinced that Sevco’s long term interests are harmed by the change not going ahead. Being in Div 2, they will play 50% of the clubs they would have met in the reconstructed Div 3. It is barely more glamorous. The only clubs losing out are a) The Div. 3 clubs and Albion Rovers, who won’t “enjoy” 2 visits from Sevco fans next year, and b) The struggling Div. 1 clubs who won’t get an immediate cash injection from us; those clubs who have been spending above their income in order to be competitive at a level they cannot sustain.
Most football fans in this country did not see anything radical in the football proposals to improve our game. Most SPL chairmen and administrators did see its importance but failed to communicate with the fans why it was so. I think that failure to communicate with fans is more symptomatic of our difficulties than a one off vote, whose proposals can be revisited if there is enough will to do so. My belief with most “Change Proposals” is that, if they were necessary to begin with but you did not implement them, they will come back with a renewed sense of urgency so you can do the right thing eventually. If they disappear off the table, then they cannot have been that important to begin with.
Doc
TMWTL x, FAC.
peaecepta
its getting so bad even CQN coupaneers are picking from the no rhyme and reason league(north) rather than the scottish league…
I’m sure there will be live tv coverage if anyone wants to show forgiveness to the woman who committed so many awful acts and condemned so many people to poverty up and sown the country.
Dirtymac- I think football in England is over-priced.
We are probably being asked to pay too much for the quality of the ‘product ‘o show but as it is our principal source of income I can see why the Club want to milk that particular cash cow.
The economics of football in England and Scotland are miles apert , and drifting wider every season.
G_J
tut tut
spelling….. o))
blantyretim,
Typo. Spell checkers don’t pick up everything …. but you know what I meant!
setting free the bears
10:26 on 17 April, 2013
‘Having read the response of some fans on the TSFM site, I have to agree with earlier posters that the evidence that either Ross County or St. Mirren voted for pro-Sevco reasons is, at best, flimsy.’
The anger and suspicions of the other SPL chairmen were widely reported in the MSM.
I assume that they will have more knowledge and understanding than us of what motivated Gilmour and what his agenda is.
I guess espn will now dump division 3 football from their 2013/14 schedule
Would a bookie give me odds on more than 12 division 2 matches being covered live on tv next season
G_J
I know you will not be happy… o))
Raining………in London, apparently.
HH.
Any of you interested in economics and budgets for austerity? You’ll be pleased to hear that they were based on a flawed model, including a basic Excel spreadsheet error. Great. This is a link
Aleksandar Tonev .
Catania were said to be interested in him but are now quoted as having dropped their interest in consequence of having secured -Sebastian Leto..
I’m sure they announced 26,xxx on Sunday, looked about right to me.
I expect final ticket distribution will be along the lines of-
Celtic 25000
Hibs 20000
Hangers on 5000
I hope they play Fiesta at the end of the service
DBBIA, it is over-priced, both here and in England. Just be glad we dont have these: Arsenal’s non-member ticket prices