‘They’ want to get rid of him. Not all of them, by any measure, I’ve seen Neil Lennon welcomed as an old friend by some whose allegiances lie a long way from Celtic Park, but to some he represents an opportunity to indulge in the kind of prejudice which was once widely accepted in Scotland.
In this instance I’m not talking about the idiot football fans, there are lots of idiot football fans, just waiting for an opportunity to present their credentials. You can meet them wearing any colours. The people who showed their true colours today were in charge of stewarding guests at Tynecastle – and Neil Lennon was a guest.
It’s a horrible place. The day the flats are built cannot come soon enough. I expect a robust response from Aberdeen, as well as life bans. I expect nothing from Hearts.
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No Ernie, I just want to challenge 16 Water’s assertion that 99% of hate stems from one community. Moreover, why is Ireland not a racist country? If you assert that Scotland is a sectarian society due to the actions of a minority then why is Ireland not a racist society because of the actions of a minority? I guess that you will say that Scotland’s problem isn’t because of a minority but I would disagree.
Could you also tell me how many Catholics have been leaders of Scotland’s largest council? Could you then tell me how that is possible in such a sectarian society? That may be a common argument but it does have validity.
RobinBhoy
Neil’s agent not as complimentary about the stewarding:
Martin Reilly said “I’m absolutely raging about the treatment of Neil, about the stewarding and the fans behaviour.”
HH
Tim Tanium @ 10.37 hrs.
“For those of us who want to build a better society a yes vote gives us greater opportunity to build that society. For those on here opposed to that you are welcome to stand by your friends who fly the Union Flag, Sing God Save the Queen with fervour, and give “Red Hand” salutes. Strange bedfellows indeed!”
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An excellent post ruined by the ridiculous statement above.
As ridiculous as this equivalent statement :- For those on here who want separatism then you are welcome to stand by the racist anti English, anti catholic SNP who have never had a catholic as a minister in their entire history. Indeed they actually had an anti popery message and voted with Thatcher.
Both statements are rubbish and can be manipulated to suit any agenda.
The issue of Scotland’s independence is too important for point scoring and should be debated rationally on economic matters etc.
HH. Always in Celtic.
Kitalba, you mentioned Hitler invading Britain.
Ernie, I don’t play down any threat. That would be an insult to the victims of sectarian crimes in Glasgow. I just challenge that the problem is as big as you say it is.
‘The Guardian’ is a fine newspaper but its contributors often make vicious comments about Catholics. This is seldom mentioned on CQN. That is why I mentioned it. That is my agenda.
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john o’neil
11:21 on 2 February, 2014
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Yer head’s up yer whizzer.
Now go away and give my head peace.
Thanks.
John O’Neil:
Yes I did, but not all his army were Nazis. Now that aside, what was the point of your question beyond the word nazi?
John O’Neil
11:21 on 2 February, 2014
You’re in denial, because it suits your agenda.
I think we’ll just agree to differ.
kitalba 10.37- I don’t know if that last question was specifically directed at me but if it was then I refuse to even dignify it with an answer.
Right, waterproofs on, ticket office then Paradise. Johansen on from the start, otherwise no changes anticipated, Stokes on the bench.
John O’Neil:
Nazi… Which you introduced not I.
ernie lynch:
Did you miss my question…
are you now off the sex offenders list?
Kitalba, the point of my question was to understand your point.
Ernie, I appreciate that I have already asked you lots of questions but could you please tell me what my agenda is? You aren’t going to suggest that I am a Nat are you?
kitalba
11:29 on 2 February, 2014
I appreciate you may have issues which you’re struggling with and I hope you can resolve them as best you can.
I’m sure there’s help out there for you if you seek it out.
Take care.
Ernie
I have opposed bigotry in every shape and form for all my adult life and will continue to do so when ever it raises its ugly face.
I do believe that Scotland and the rest of the UK has had an anti-Irish Catholic problem but it is 1000 times better now than at the turn of the last century.
Have I experienced anti-Irish Catholic Bigotry personally – well apart from being attacked and assaulted by Rangers fans whilst on the way home from Celtic Park then NO. I am not Irish Catholic which I assume your question was referring to although my dearly departed Gran was and many of my family are. My grandparents being part of a mixed marriage in the 1930s. Can you imagine the problems they faced?
I completely dispute that the OO’s influence would grow in an independent Scotland.
Fraser Forster has a total of 114 clean sheets from 228 matches in his club career.
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Ernie Lynch as an agony uncle? About as likely as Norman Tebbit volunteering for the Samaritans. On your bike.
neganon2
11:10 on 2 February, 2014
I believe the police force is staunchly sectarian and would love to know how much of the police force comprises of Catholics (big nan have you asked that one yet?).
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I think you’ll find that the vast majority of Police officers dont give two hoots about it.
Maybe you should ask the question
Anyway off to the game soon, have enjoyed the last few games, more of the same.
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Morning all
Just been reading the blog there. Some excellent posts from IPaddy McCourt, John O’Neil, Cults Bhoy, 16 Roads and others.
I do not know Aberdeen that well but from what I do know of it I’d be surprised if the treatment handed out to Neil was uniformly sectarian – though the blind eyes that were turned will have been. I have lived in Edinburgh – did so on and off for 24 years- and know that Neil Lennon is disliked , hated even, for more than sectarian reasons. On the field he was hated because he was ‘in yer face’, good at what he did and worst of all, perhaps,clearly he was articulate and not an idiot. Nobody except Celtic fans didn’t loathe him. I worked beside Catholics who supported other teams and they hated him. I do not know the motivation of those who abused him yesteday but I’ve been around drunken overgrown schoolboys often enough to know that if they know they can get away with something they’ll do it. I suspect – but do not know- that this loutishness was the main motivation behind yesterday’s disgrace.
This is not to say that I do not believe that there isn’t a substantial streak of anti- Catholic , anti- Irish bigotry in Scotland away from the more obvious centres of it in Glasgow and all points west of about Bathgate and as far north as Stirling. When I came to Edinburgh in 1981 I was astonished that my co – religionists were referred to as ‘papes’, ‘Fenians’, ‘left footers’, ‘hairy backs’ routinely. When I said I was Catholic there was no apology for the bigoted remarks but a certain astonishment that I was reasonably smart, clean, intelligent and thought of myself as being Scottish. I got used to it I suppose but always over those years there would be jarring moments when I encountered bigotry – and racism- that showed me that the old prejudices were alive and well and working in fairly plush Edinburgh offices.
Sorry to ramble on but in some way yesterday’s events seem even more depressing than those of three years ago. I fear that a touchpaper has been lit. Dangerous moments ahead.
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John O’Neil:
Take the word Nazi out of the equation, it is evocative, (but if it was to be left in it would only serve my wee point) my wee point is simply this, if a bigger, more aggressive, bellicose, bullying nation comes into your country and takes what was yours, are you a demon, a terrorist, a thug, to stand against it?
After that my point gets into the realms of generations down the centuries and implanted cultures being understood beyond hate, but never forgetting the root cause of the problem.
So to repeat my assertion, I think the British Crown is responsible for today’s hate, do you?
That is twice I’ve asked the question, I’d rather you answered it an not deflect for my life is too short to be wasted on drivel.
bournesouprecipe
11:35 on 2 February, 2014
‘Fraser Forster has a total of 114 clean sheets from 228 matches in his club career.’
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It would be interesting to see what was said about him on here during his first season.
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You have to remember there are two companies. RIFC (which had the ipo) and TRFC (the clumpany). RIFC raised the IPO dosh, TRFC spent it. TRFC will owe RIFC for the IPO money it has spent. It would be clearer if TRFC published accounts but they dont have to do so until May. RIFC will claim the money spent as debt, relieve TRFC of it’s property assets and become a very profitable property leasing company with one client signed up to a long term onerous lease including paying for upkeep after it sells TRFC (probably for a pound) to ra bares next saviour.
S’cuse the ignorance -would that not have been indicated in the clumpany’s accounts which were audited etc. ?
It was.
p25 of the Accounts of RIFC accounts shows £16.163m ‘Amounts due from subsidiary undertakings’ . There is a Note(15) on p59 which goes on to explain that the “Amounts due to RIFC from The Rangers Football Club Ltd represents the proceeds of the Initial Public Offering less costs incurred in the fundraising. The net funds from this activity have been made available to the subsidiary as working capital.”
I think people are going to be disappointed if they expect a drawn out administration. The way I see how this is going to go down, will be a quick and relatively bloodless. The spivs will ensure that there are little to no external liabilities or debts and no cash left. Basically what is owed will be owed to RIFC and RIFC alone. RIFC simply take the assets for the debt and with no external creditors they’ll have a free run at it. A friendly administrator will be appointed and TRFC will be sold sans assets to a pre nominated bidder (King?) who will have already agreed the terms of the lease. TRFC might take that opportunity to cut costs significantly (letting players and staff go) but that depends on who comes in.
Alternatively it could be a bloodbath where the spivs don’t have a buyer lined up to purchase TRFC out of administration, and are simply happy to take the assets knowing whoever comes in will have to deal with them or find somewhere else to play. That could get messy. There will be absolutely no funds to sustain the business when it goes under so if the administration takes time then all bets are off. The only certainty in the whole shebang is that either administration or a takeover is coming (there is no danger of them being able to cut costs without it, and no-one will touch a new share issue to fund the business) and that RIFC will end up a property company with Ibrox, the training centre, the car park and associated buildings. TRFC will either be bought or go completely under.
ernie lynch:
You never answered the question.
You take care.
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10:05 on 2 February, 2014
Do you think there was ever an issue of anti Irish Catholic bigotry in Scotland?
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Of course, alongside every other prejudice known to man (I would say women, but as we know, they have tiny little brains and wouldn’t understand).
Kitalba, if your life is wasted because of drivel, may I suggest that you stop typing.
According to the sheep, nothing happened and if it di, he brought it on himself?
Strong language , be careful.
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V for Vendetta, on 01 Feb 2014 – 23:04, said:
I’ve no idea about that jigot but this is football, these are just rivals in a game we love.
Spitting or throwing coins at someone is both really cowardly, feeble and also disgusting.
If people had some genuine reason to hate the guy maybe they should have the balls to offer him a square go instead of hiding in a crowd fobbing and what not.
Its cunts like that deserve abuse not some footballer manager.
Be interesting to see the CCTV footage of this I’m not tearing into our fans for shouting a few choices words its football it happens.
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IF it happened. Dengis ploughed the furrow for making shit up.
If he doesn’t like being in the public eye, he should just fuck off. Is this nae the same cunt that got battered on Great Western Road (Glasgow) once?
When I was young and I seen a high-profile manager of an OF team, I would have been heinous in my attacks.
Fits he greetin aboot? Young cunts full o spunk and drink dish it oot. Spitting is oot o order but doubt it was an Aberdeen man that did that.
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Was probably pseudo hardmen , stone island , ultras etc
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V for Vendetta, on 01 Feb 2014 – 23:04, said:
I’ve no idea about that jigot but this is football, these are just rivals in a game we love.
Spitting or throwing coins at someone is both really cowardly, feeble and also disgusting.
If people had some genuine reason to hate the guy maybe they should have the balls to offer him a square go instead of hiding in a crowd fobbing and what not.
Its cunts like that deserve abuse not some footballer manager.
Grogging is fucking beyond disgusting,V, I meant the verbal he gets. What every fucker in fitba’ gets and should expect it. I’ve been coined, booted tae fuck, punched tae fuck and slagged tae fuck but the worst thing was on 2 occasions I was grogged tae fuck. Motherwell and Falkirk so I’m with you there.
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zander, on 01 Feb 2014 – 23:08, said:
Be interesting to see the CCTV footage of this I’m not tearing into our fans for shouting a few choices words its football it happens.
zander, on 01 Feb 2014 – 23:08, said:
Be interesting to see the CCTV footage of this I’m not tearing into our fans for shouting a few choices words its football it happens.
I’m not tearing into our fans, quite the contrary.
I’m tearing into sad cunts who use football crowds as an opportunity to do things they would get a fucking kicking for if the did them in any other situation. That’s regardless what group of fans they are within but includes our own.
There’s been quite a lot of it in all clubs supports this season it seems. The more I see it the more I realise you can’t judge a whole teams support by the actions of a few.
I don’t support Aberdeen because I share the same politic, religious or philosophical ideology as the person next to me at game. I support Aberdeen because they are my team. There’s no collective responsibility within a group of fans of any team – because folk are there of their own free will to do their own thing, not to endorse the views or behaviour of anyone else.
With that outlook I don’t feel any shame or embarrassment if some dons fans are cunts – it’s not my fault or responsibility.
It’s also easier to see what’s wrong and say so without being defensive about it.
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No idea if I’m making sense but I’ve had my say so there you go.
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The result of today’s happenings, true or false, will be the Sheep supporters getting the blame for carrying out the goings on and the Heart’s stewards for letting it happen. Guaranteed.
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Jigot, on 01 Feb 2014 – 23:40, said:
The result of today’s happenings, true or false, will be the Sheep supporters getting the blame for carrying out the goings on and the Heart’s stewards for letting it happen. Guaranteed.
We are easy targets for the Media.
I know our support has a moronic element there is no denying that but I’m not going to let a story with no hardcore evidence ruin our big day.
This is coming from a club who trashed Amsterdam and Fir Park whilst supporting terrorists in the space of a few weeks and we are suddenly supposed to believe this in the week before we play them in the cup.
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What about all of the Saints fans who tore up seats after the first goal?
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zander, on 01 Feb 2014 – 23:44, said:
We are easy targets for the Media.
I know our support has a moronic element there is no denying that but I’m not going to let a story with no hardcore evidence ruin our big day.
This is coming from a club who trashed Amsterdam and Fir Park whilst supporting terrorists in the space of a few weeks and we are suddenly supposed to believe this in the week before we play them in the cup.
There’s a few fruit loops in our support and no just daft wee laddies. The SMM loups on every opportunity to deflect the shit from you ken who, they work in tandem.If it weren’t for the tinternet and sites such as The Hat, Kickback and the like, they would be filling the papers with even more shite than they do. It makes you wonder what the fuck we all had been getting fed before IT.
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£5 on 4-0 @ 28/1, told you before the game, oh the sheep have had a party…pissed
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Geoff_Tipps, on 01 Feb 2014 – 20:59, said:
Just heard about this alleged incident. I was sitting just behind Lennon and saw absolutely nothing of note. Didnt actually realise he was sitting next to me until half time.
If something did happen it certainly wasnt as big a deal as the press are making out. There was also no Police presence.
My sister and her fiancée were sitting around that area as well. They said there was abuse aimed at him but it was mostly just calling him a wanker. No surprise to see the embarrassment that is George Galloway getting involved.
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V for Vendetta, on 01 Feb 2014 – 23:04, said:
I’ve no idea about that jigot but this is football, these are just rivals in a game we love.
Spitting or throwing coins at someone is both really cowardly, feeble and also disgusting.
If people had some genuine reason to hate the guy maybe they should have the balls to offer him a square go instead of hiding in a crowd fobbing and what not.
Its cunts like that deserve abuse not some footballer manager.
Except for the abuse.
A slagging is fine.
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ChookterDon, on 01 Feb 2014 – 23:55, said:
What about all of the Saints fans who tore up seats after the first goal?
Probably just their fat farmer hands
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ChookterDon, on 01 Feb 2014 – 23:55, said:
What about all of the Saints fans who tore up seats after the first goal?
Don’t be silly that will be some of the thousands of undercover dons fans ripping them out and throwing them at Neil Lennon cause hes Kafflik.
John O’Neil:
Why did you only feel it relevant to address the last line of my post and not the rest?
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11:38 on 2 February, 2014
It seems to me that the whole thing turns on the condition of the stadium.
Does it require major investment imminently? I can’t see a tenant being able to take it on if it does.
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Tony lots of younger readers on this site, some poor language in those ridiculous posts.
All fur and no knickers.
FFin’ panic, paranoia and pandemonium as the news of the report to the Stock Exchange penetrates their domes:
“This has just spoiled my morning, when will this s@!t end.”
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“FFS. Let’s hear the official statement then. The board better be rubbishing this article. Although with the benefit of hindsight, asking players to take a wage cut, sacking Stockbridge, could make you think there is no smoke without fire.”
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“Stockbridge just came right into my head like a Thunderbolt.”
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“We’d be deducted 25 points for administration.
How so?
Where does it say that in the Rule Book?
Point me to that rule.”
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“So how come we were quoted with a 24 point blooter and a points differential’ from last season?
I’ve never heard of this in my puff.
You go into Admin#2 and we will deduct you the points you won last season with?
How can you deduce a points deduction against a league division that is well below the station you are currently at?”
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“Can anyone enlighten me on the club owing the company money ? I’m not sure I follow this situation.”
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“The club (TRFC) will be in debt to the company (RIFC).”
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“Because the IPO and ST monies go to the company which then funds the club. So I think what is being said is that the club owes the company a fortune.”
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“Why do people still not get this.
Who has no debts, the PLC (holding company) or the Ltd Company (club).
I’m afraid people have been falling for the spin on this one for way too long. The PLC has no debts that I am aware of, however it’s subsidiary, the limited company has millions in debts, probably tens of millions by now.
It’s no different from the situation with Craig Whyte. The club owed a fortune to the PLC which owned it.”
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“Don’t believe this for a second.
Tims have been contacting the stock exchange for a while. They were even writing letters to Notingham Forest about offering less for Wallace due to our financial situation FFS.”
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The calm head of the Sevcomedian, however, identifies the solution:
“I expect the club will react with a stern official statement asap.”
Kitalba, would I blame the British for some past sins? Yes. Were they to blame for everything? No.
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11:44 on 2 February, 2014
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Lol reading that has cheered me up.
They never let you down, the hun.
God bless them.
john o’neil
11:16 on 2 February, 2014
John – you and I have disagreed on CQN manys a time
However you have hit the nail well and truly on the head.
The Scottish Catholic community still remains unwelcome by vast swathes of the Scottish nation
The Sunday Herald Godless politico crew comprising the likes of Patrick Harvie and Christine Graham are a bigger threat to us than any anachronistic Orange.
Monaghan1900
11:44 on 2 February, 2014
“I expect the club will react with a stern official statement asap.”
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Or mibae just threaten to throw someone down the marble staircase.
Ernie, what are your politics? We only hear you are not nationalist, think there is a big conspiracy in scotland v catholics etc – are you just a new labour man?