Having watched previous generations of Celtic teams park the bus at Barcelona I’m not one to criticise Hamilton Accies when they do the same at Celtic Park. They put on an effective defensive performance but although the game got nervy as Celtic defended a one goal lead in the final minutes, Accies were never able to pass the ball well enough to make a genuine attempt at goal.
The only goal of the game came from a deep run by Moussa Dembele, who had dropped behind Tom Rogic, before sprinting forward to collect a pass from the Aussie. The Accies back line were concentrating on catching Leigh Griffiths offside but didn’t have the response necessary to match Dembele’s run.
It was great play from Rogic, Dembele and Griffiths, who remained in control to finish. That aside, the incredibly high standard of passing Celtic have achieved in recent weeks wasn’t matched. That’s football, it’s impossible for players, or anyone else for that matter, to perform with machine-like consistency, even John Lennon wrote the lyric, “I am a walrus”.
As well as experiencing varying levels of performance, we are now far enough into the season for teams to face Celtic with some revised plans. We play three at the back in possession, so Premiership teams push three men up when Craig Gordon has the ball, forcing the keeper to kick to the halfway line, where possession is often lost. This happened against Aberdeen, Motherwell and Accies in recent weeks.
Brendan Rodgers is miles ahead of his competition, but elements of games between now and the break will be more like chess matches than football. Not least our visit to Hamilton’s artificial surface on Christmas Eve. In the whole of 2016 only Motherwell beat Accies in consecutive games, and indication of an astonishing level of resilience by a club without the resources normally associated with senior football. Coo coo ca choo.
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VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:07 PM
This doesn’t excuse the behaviour but explains that some abusers can be rehabilitated.
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Really sound assessment.
Quick point.
But can they be trusted ?
There`s the rub.
MOONBEAMSWD on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 8:58 PM
NATKNOW on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 7:43 PM
DESSYBHOY on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 7:25 PM
Just they way I see it, do you see it differently?
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I think people who have convictions for child abuse should not be allowed to work with children again, because no matter how many courses they go on etc. I doubt if that will correct their behaviour. The risk is too great.
Should people who have written racist, sexist and homophobic messages be allowed to black people, women and gay people?
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Natknow
This is just my opinion but I believe any human being with can be educated with regards racism, sexism and homophobia albeit the individual needs to open their minds somewhat. Same with sectarianism.
With peodophiles and peodophilia my understanding is that with the individuals their sexual preference is not learned but is a natural instinct to them like eating when they are hungry. I do not believe you can educate someone’s sexual preference out of them whether straight, gay, lesbian, bi-sexual or pedophilia (if that is the correct term). Some may disagree but for me it is a non starter.
Therefor pedophiles should never knowingly be allowed near children unsupervised and preferably never let near them however unlikely\impossible that may be to police.
People who hold sexist, racist, homophobic, sectarian etc. views as part of their reeducation should spend time in the company of those they hold strong views or hate against to help educate them that they are just people like them.
MWD
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With regard to paedophiles, I think you are stating the same as me. That this is behaviour that cannot be changed even with treatment. Others may argue that it is treatable but for me, the risk is too great to allow people with this condition any kind of contact with kids again. So, I had 2 points –
1. I don’t believe there is a cure.
2. Even if medics believe there is, the risk of allowing unsupervised contact after treatment is not worth taking.
With regard to the other kinds of behaviour we’re discussing (racism, sexism, homophobia), then I believe these are issues for which education is a possible answer. However, how do you know that once a person has attended educational classes, their racism (or whatever) has been cured? That’s impossible to prove of course.
I don’t know what questions were asked at interview by the SFA, but they certainly don’t have a good record. Bear in mind that Gordon Smith, who is now all over TV and radio as a guest talking about the child abuse in football scandal, was on a platform making jokes about Celtic Boys Club not long ago. An SFA Chief Executive…
I think Phil is getting carried away with this roof business.
Looks simple to me: work needs done, they are probably lining up contractors to come in over winter, and any nets are part of this scaffolding.
The work is necessary, but the roof doesn’t pose a danger to the public in the meantime, hence the safety certificate.
They want to minimise the public appearance of any work because – well, they are the people – and fixing a gammy roof looks a bit common. Hence the lack of public response.
Phil’s looking for a smoking gun here where there simply isn’t one in my opinion.
The Appeal hearing is set for 15th and 16th March next year.
Wonder if we’ll be celebrating on St. Patrick’s day?
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:10 PM
TURKEYBHOY on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 8:56 PM
I need to know.
The ball came off a Palace defender.
That used to be called ” playing the attacker on ( side ) ”
Does that rule still apply ?
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If the attacker is in an offside position when the ball is played and it comes off a defender and falls to the attacker, he is offside – he was when the initial ball was played.
However, if an attacker is in an office position and a defender plays the ball and it falls to the attacker, he is not offside.
Hope that makes sense.
KTF
EMBRAMIKE SUPPORTING RES 12
Happy Saint Patricks day by the looks of things:))
The Unseen Fenian Hand strikes again!
So RFC (il) have a date with destiny in March.
I hope and pray HMRC get the result.
Res.12 is important in highlighting the SFA not fit for purpose.
But the Big tax case is the BIG one .
LNS set aside.
Oldco confirmed in law as cheats.
Titles and cups stripped.
Wish it was March
HH
ACGR: Where can I meet you on Saturday to give you your calendar?
STAIRHEEDRAMMY on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:01 PM
Nat- just pointing out how your posts looked- as you guessed I have no issues with him getting the job- he’s paid the price and accepted he did wrong- no need to crucify him or to continue to punish him for the rest of his life. He knows he is being watched particularly by people wanting him to fail, so he will be expected to behave to a standard even higher than the rest of us.
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How my posts looked to you…
So we’re back to the question I asked earlier – if a paedophile receives treatment, and doctors say he is cured, and if he apologises etc. for his behaviour, then is he (or she) OK to work again with kids? The crime is much more serious of course, but this is about the principle of whether people are always due a 2nd chance…
BTW – I don’t think we are disagreeing much here…
Personally I think there are many more people that could do the job McKay has been offered and I’m surprised the SFA are taking the risk
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:14 PM
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:07 PM
This doesn’t excuse the behaviour but explains that some abusers can be rehabilitated.
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Really sound assessment.
Quick point.
But can they be trusted ?
There`s the rub.
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I’m not sure if the question is “can they be trusted?”; rather, it would be “would I trust them with my own family?”
Human nature would probably dictate that the answer to the first question would be affirmative; the answer to the second question would be absolutely not.
KTF
If the Supreme Court hear the latest appeal in mid March I’d suggest that a decision won’t be released until June or July. No conspiracy theories, just the normal sort of timescale for such issues. Also not fact, just my reasonably educated guess.
Jobo, would I be right in thinking you enjoyed that wee rendition of Grace last night?
KTF
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:10 PM
TURKEYBHOY on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 8:56 PM
I need to know.
The ball came off a Palace defender.
That used to be called ” playing the attacker on ( side ) ”
Does that rule still apply ?
Dont think so.I think they changed it.it was a blatant arm to lay it off.Palace just scored a brilliant equaliser.
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:22 PM
With you all the way on that one.
However , it does rather conflict with ” Do unto others……………. “
McJay
Don’t blame me!
I’m only writing down McCartney’s mispronunciation!
Whit’s French for pédant?
TURKEYBHOY on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:25 PM
Cheers for that.
To you and VFR800
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:18 PM
The Appeal hearing is set for 15th and 16th March next year.
Wonder if we’ll be celebrating on St. Patrick’s day?
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Agree with Jobo … little chance the verdict would be delivered from the bench on the 16th … rather, they will reserve and release a (written) decision at a later date ….
HOWEVA….
knowing the crowd on here …
I would say the answer to your question is ‘yes… they will be celebrating on St. Pat’s Day anyways ….
and wouldn’t it be fun if the decision was released on July 12 …
we could call it St. Hector’s day, and have our own parties on that day as well!
:)
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:25 PM
Which is why I invoked human nature. :>)
The difference between what we would like to do and what we actually do!
KTF
Never did I think I’d come on a Celtic forum and read a so called Celtic supporter referring to the wife of a current player, who works tirelessly for numerous charities, as an ‘attention seeker’.
A disgusting post.
On the plus side we had a very cordial and productive meeting with Celtic today regarding the consultation forum which will begin in February.
Christmas……………..nights out?
Beware ‘the people’ are rabid St Mirren, Partick you name it, they are………………. rabid.
Calm Down Calm Down CSC
HT
What time was it?
VFR
I agree that that is a belief of many but it is not one that I concur with.
Many many many abused children do not turn out to become peodophiles and without knowing or ever having looked at the stats I’d bet it would be in the higher percentile of those who are abused that do not turn out to be abusers and peodophiles in turn. I do though take your point and judge this area to be a more difficult area to correctly form an strong opinion on without sight of all the facts and figures. That said, if abused and growing up knowing and subsequently learning through natural maturity that what was enacted upon you as an individual was wrong then why would that process not be enough of an education for any abused individual to know what they in turn enact on another child is to be wrong and unacceptable? It truly is beyond my understanding but far more complicated than the black and white of a peodophile who’s natural sexual preference these acts are. But then I do wonder if the abuse cycle again is just a easy and ready excuse for an action people simple know is wrong!
MWD
VFR800 – I decided that it would benefit deom a harmony during the chorus! I had been saying to my son earlier that we should be considering singing it at our various family get togethers (…get the guitar oot Jobo…) over the Festive Period so we decided to reat last night’s rendition as our rehearsal. Aff oot again……
HAMILTONTIM on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:27 PM
Are you in a position to elaborate yet?
KTF
Just caught up on loads from today.
Brendan to spend Christmas morning at the hospice he is ambassador for.
Quite special man.
No wonder Tommy burns loved him
MOONBEAMSWD on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:29 PM
That’s why it is a very difficult debate; the difficulty with stats is that we don’t know the true level of abuse as many victims never come forward and many perpetrators are never caught.
The only thing we can really know is that it has devastating consequences!
KTF
HT
I just ignored that particular diatribe from our resident attention seeker.
MWD
Harmony? Hmmmm!
nosureabootthatjobo CSC
KTF
st. Stivs…
How you doing, pal?
A nice post after some of the earlier stuff today.
BR seems like a good egg (but, not in a Walrus sort of way).
Thanks for sharing that.
HAMILTONTIM on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:27 PM
Never did I think I’d come on a Celtic forum and read a so called Celtic supporter referring to the wife of a current player, who works tirelessly for numerous charities, as an ‘attention seeker’.
A disgusting post.
I did not really want to comment on those posts,nor the other sort on here tonight,but I agree with you 100%.
Shameful.
The officials at the Man U game making our referees look like Luigi Collina.
BEATBHOY on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:25 PM
McJay
Don’t blame me!
I’m only writing down McCartney’s mispronunciation!
Whit’s French for pédant?
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Sourd.
Or malentendant ……………..Pick your choose.
I do believe Malky McKay deserves a 2nd chance.
I also believe that, like Ron Atkinson before him, he was guilty of casual and callous racism with his mate.
Both have paid a high price for their offence.
If we campaign for young boys convicted under the OBaF Act to not have career altering consequences, then we have to apply the same generous tone of spirit to Malky and Ron.
There were never any tales of prejudicial behaviour or attitudes being publicly expressed in their work with footballers. In fact, Ron Atkinson was one of the best advocates for black footballers at a time when other managers and their clubs were discriminating against them by non-selection.
And yet, both were guilty of having private banter which revealed that they were willing to engage in such racist language and hadn’t learned that using such language produces a toxic seep into your thinking.
Ron Atkinson was lost to the game. Malky McKay was out of work for 3 years. People who sexually assault and scar people spend less time out of work.
It is quite possible that Malky, with his recent searing experiences, will be triply determined to crack down on any forms of prejudicial thinking if he is ever within earshot of it again.
I take Nat Know’s point about rehabilitation of sexual offenders. That is of a different scale and the consequences of those actions are of a much higher impact.
Some of us were of an adult age when we sang, in response to Rangers fans taunts to Paul Wilson, “I’d rather be a ****** than a hun”. Should we be never allowed to support again even though we all know we would condemn such chants now?
We all cheered Leigh Griffiths goal last night. But Leigh was charged with distasteful racist and discriminatory chanting against Rudi Skacel, and unlike the Tonev case, there was no doubt of his relishing his part in this action. Should Leigh be banned from football?
There are difficulties to the question but, overall, I am convinced that Malky McKay will earn his second chance. I am not convinced that Barry Bennell, Jim Torbett, or Jim McCafferty have earned our trust as rehabilitated. I doubt they would trust themselves.
TURKEYBHOY on 14TH DECEMBER 2016 9:34 PM
I think the poster in question gets picked on and responds accordingly.
Defiantly.
No excuse , but perhaps an explanation.
Turkeybhoy on 14th December 2016 9:35 pm
The officials at the Man U game making our referees look like Luigi Collina.
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Man U red card not given
Man U goal offside but not given
Palace handball penalty but not given
Man U goal onside, but given offside
Odds on the ref balls up for the winner
Its going to be quite an eventful March for the Monkey mob.Ashley court case,which they WILL lose,then the biggy.And we thought it was going to be a bit dull after New Year.
HT
The attention seeker said stuff today I found appalling. Him.
Can’t be dressed us “just my opinion” as he says.
I read it and seriously thought he has mental health issues.
Mods delete saint stivs.
VFR
The impact and consequences on the child is as you say the most important issue that should be focused on but dealing with known abusers\peodophiles in whatever walk of life they stride is important and the safety of the child and all children comes before any individual right of a known abuser\peodophile every day of the week. Safety first and IMO all known abusers\peodophiles should not be afforded the right to personal freedom to walk the same streets as children and those they have abused.
MWD