A journalist, banned by Celtic, attacked the club in the Daily Record today, suggesting the SFA chief exec Stuart Regan should have told Peter Lawwell to ‘wind his neck in’ and ‘remind him of his duty to the game’ after he wrote asking for clarification after Sunday’s game.
The hyperbole was raised to the extent the notion “Lawwell dragged our game back into a very dark place – somewhere dangerously close to disrepute” was put into hundreds of thousands of hands today.
A dark place, close to disrepute? For writing a letter asking for clarification? Sounds to me like the know the trouble Peter Lawwell is causing to the vested interests at Hampden and they want him stopped.
By remarkable coincidence, this happens to be the same journo who wrote the puff piece for SFA president, Campbell ‘What school did you go to?’ Ogilvie for writing to Uefa demanding a referee was demoted (while circumventing due process) and asking for a player to be banned.
No mention of winding a neck in or duty to the game for a vastly farther reaching letter.
The same paper gives a platform to Barry ‘EBT’ Ferguson to level wholly inaccurate accusations against Celtic:
“By questioning the reasoning behind [the failure to award a penalty]in the name of their supporters, they were nodding towards all manner of hoary old conspiracy theories.”
Conspiracy you say, Barry? Who mentioned conspiracy? An explanation that the standard of refereeing is not good enough and that having 6 officials at Hampden hindered good decision making didn’t occur to you?
Some people are quick to deny conspiracies when a far less controversial response is available.
A concerted campaign has run for days now to ensure that Celtic cannot ask questions without being demonised. When the media demonise those who question authority we are in a very dark place indeed.
This is intolerable. It would not happen in England, where the breadth of media is wide enough to escape narrow seams of authority. It doesn’t matter if it is the government, the Church, the police, big business or sport, if media collaborate with power, you have problems.
Some of it comes from people perhaps bitter that Celtic called them out and banned them, some from those unable to find perspective or consistency between writing about a Campbell Ogilvie letter and a Peter Lawwell letter. All of them are time-served opinion formers who make money from Celtic’s actions.
We are the last superpower in the game, survivors in the battle of the ages. This antagonism isn’t going away. Not until their grandchildren are in place, anyway.
Clubs need to write letters when improvement is needed. I hear estimates that income to Celtic from winning the Scottish Cup would have been in the region of £1m. Football is big business and processes and resources need to as good as they possibly can be. If they are not, the very least you can do is ask for improvement.
On Meekings appeal yesterday….
The player’s appeal was right to be upheld, the case should never have been put before the SFA panel in the first place. The referee Steven McLean saw the incident. That was not disputed. He asked his assistant for his opinion. That was not disputed either.
Meekings representatives pointed out at the hearing that officials are not allowed to re-referee a game after watching TV. This is a central tenant of the game and was accepted by the judicial panel.
Retrospective action is only allowed for incidents which referees did not see. It is not permitted for referees to reconsider an incident he saw. It is blindingly embarrassing to our game that the SFA didn’t know the rules well enough before taking this action. I hear there was incredulity at Celtic when they heard Meekings was banned in the first place.
…… and you wonder why Celtic write letters.
Last call for the Ben Nevis Huddle……..
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jungle jim.
My Scot is all wrapped up for the summer..The Italian fast boy is oot n aboot.Good argument with a prat in a SUV the other day..Arrogance personified..Grr Grr.
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy
On leaving primary and being given letters with the initials of what school you were going to,
The “brainy” school or the not so “brainy” school,
Three of us going to the “Brainy” School were informed on being handed our letters “BARLINNIE” :)))
She got One goal and two crossbars, my God I carried some fortune with me on my journey looking back. :))))))
Lubo of the Lamp
…..and your ability to express yourself through the medium of humour is pretty good, too!
JJ and away.
Calum Murray was 4th official last Sunday at hampdump
#ridnex
Tgcw
Finlay’s is an ok pub to watch a match in but kinda mixed . Same with carrigans which is my local although there’s a wee clique on the right of the bar who are Huns and proud of it .
The white hill bowling club is the least him infested bowling club I have been in but i don’t like the fraternity as it’s too cliquish
The outcry for retrospective punishment happened when Davy Provan spent most of a Celtic v Hibs game saying that something had to be done after a Bobo Balde incident.Phone ins for days later had Huns on saying the same thing in their usual anti Celtic monotone voices. Attitudes soon changed when Fernando Ricksen was first to be punished.
Celtic bad boy Andre Blackman shoplifted a £1,225 jacket from Harrods in a ‘moment of madness
Another reason not to buy the Daily Rag… He now plays for Blackpool…and has played for about a dozen other teams including Scottish teams.
Ayrshire is Green and White
petethebeat.
Pleased you had a good time.I am not a big fan of Catania but I do like the markets..I much prefer Palermo to Catania .
HT-nothing here mate.
Tbj
Carrigans is the pub HT and myself visit if we’re ever out for a few pints in Cambuslang although we watched Celtic in a pre season friendly in the Ritz.
tonydonnelly67
10:47 on 25 April, 2015
I remember those cards for the black babies, and if you sold a whole card you got to name the kid, wooft!
Some of them poor kids had some dodgy names am tellin you,
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There should be a lot of guys running about Africa with the names Patrick and Michael.
Secondary School was great,loved getting away early to play for the school team :) ,a surefire way of not giving teachers any backchat that day…
Glasstwothirdsfull
Did we send a legal team to the appeal, if we did actually appeal for Boerrigter?
The argument seemed to be that you can’t re-referee the game, using protocol 13.4.1.1
Jungle jim hot smoked.
The cheating officials had already said that they didn’t see the incident, and we were told they were unsighted.
That’s why the Compliance Officer was able to bring the retrospective charge, which has now been dropped as they suddenly do appear to have seen the incident.
At some point, someone has lied.
I’ll believe my own eyes. . . 3 of them saw it, and cheated.
Willie Collum getting laughed at on Soccer AM….
Just off the phone to my auld man there, he’s going down to Dumfries tomorrow to visit my sister, apparently there’s an “Old Firm” game on with the old players, you know the type MacAvennie, Goram etc… He was going to take that in with my brother in law, yes he is..!
He’s no going now…!
Ayrshire is Green and White
You can bet your bottom dollar had Leigh Griffiths had a “hand of God” moment and the ball ended up in the back of the net they would have seen that!
Somebody should have asked the Mullet,what he thought of Diouf and Bougherra getting let off with fines a couple of years ago.The Cardigan said before the hearing ‘i hope they are sensible as we have a small squad….’.A decision which is up there with the worst i’ve ever seen.
leftclicktic
Did you go to Primary school in the Brig? I went to St. Monica’s. Loved it. I’m having a wee chuckle with many of the memories posted above by others. Coincide with mine. Snowy milk bottles in winter mornings. Metal crates that your hands stuck to. Milk monitors, dinner tickets, handwork for the boys, needlework for the girls. Learning the catechism questions and answers by heart:
Who made you?
God made me.
Why did God make you?
God made me tp know Him, to love Him and to serve Him so that I may be happy with Him forever in Heaven.
What is Prayer?
Prayer is the raising up of the mind and heart to God.
I could go on but I won’t :-))
Do any other old timers remember these?
Tgcw
I live in the flats built in the bowling clubs grounds .. So apart from the club carrigans is my local and only a couple of HUNdred yards up the hill
Not a fan of the ritz at all .. If I have to walk to main st I go along to Finlay’s
So sight being one of the 5 senses along with hearing, correct me if I am wrong? The ref at the Tonev – Logan incident heard nothing but the SFA still managed to ban Tonev for 7 games. So don’t tell me it’s paranoia.
TOSB,
Can remember all of that. Haven’t actually for a long long time.
Primary school, shorts in all weathers and setting up showers in the playgrounds
TBJ/TGCW
I’ve only been in The Ritz once and thought it was a hovel. I don’t mind Carigan’s but didn’t always feel comfortable in it because of some hun punters.
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy
I left ML4 primary in 73 then on to High school in motherwell,and can remember all of the above :)))
The light of the world Catechism,and being hit on the head with chalky wooden blackboard dusters for asking questions, and sitting thinking WTF was that for :))))))))))))))))
Bada
Think Collum is in charge of our game tomorrow.
Pogmathonyahun,
Don’t you remember that was decided by an Independent panel on the “balance of probablities”? They’ll twist every rule and regulation to suit their end: get Timmy at every opportunity.
WE HAVE NOT BE PARANOID ENOUGH.
No more.
HT
I’ve noticed how uncomfortable you get in Carrigans.Sometimes it effects you so badly that you forget that it’s your round.
Television Match Officials now!!
People argued against goal- line technology, but you don’t hear them now that it’s been so successful in the EPL.
Video and Computer Technology in Horse Racing, Rugby, Tennis, Cricket to try to ensure a fair outcome, and to aid referees/umpires/ judges to reach the correct decision.
Take some part of their ability to cheat away!
Affects.
Jungle Jim celtics statement did blame the celtic fans for them having to ask for clarification in the first place. To a large extent it doesn’t matter because it has had the desired effect and you can feel the palpable sense of panic at the SFA. The media have circled wagons but fantastically this is only making matters worse. Their desire to demonise celtic is now hardening views (hopefully)’at celtic.
However having said they wanted clarification for the support then celtic should provide that clarification to us should they not?
Beatbhoy I know I don’t need to tell you but to claim the referee and officials saw the incident then begs the question of why a penalty wasn’t given and therefore the player sent off (and the case upheld). Therefore there are only two further possibilities.
Firstly that the officials saw the incident and somehow made an error. A full explanation to that error and how it was made should therefore be given. This is the explanation celtic are looking for. This is very problematic for the officials and SFA because the gross incompetence will be clear for all to see and action will need to be taken against those officials. Their motivation will also be questioned because it was such a clear error.
The second explanation is that the officials saw the incident and decided it wasn’t a foul as the handball was, ahem, accidental. The consequence of this is very far reaching and is a precedent setting moment. Absolutely no handballs can ever be given again in Scottish football because you cannot categorically ever prove it was intentional.
So which is it? Now if the SFA are sensible they will choose option 1 and admit the glaring error and punish the officials. However their arrogance knows no bounds and they would be stupid enough to go down option 2. The media will back them whatever route they choose and attempt to demonise celtic throughout.
All celtic need to do is ask a few more questions and then watch the SFA collapse in on itself. They could indeed also through in the derk incident because clearly the rules are not being applied in a consistent manner.
So celtic must provide the SFAs explanation to th support? Agreed?
Will they?
And will they ask the required and obvious questions publicly and transparently? This would ensure future fairness in decision making?
Or will they go silent and help,the SFA make it all go away?
If celtic do go quiet would you all accept that they are content to be cheated and are, once Again betraying the support?
Interesting times eh!
leftclicktic
11:25 on
25 April, 2015
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy
I left ML4 primary in 73 then on to High school in motherwell,and can remember all of the above :)))
The light of the world Catechism,and being hit on the head with chalky wooden blackboard dusters for asking questions, and sitting thinking WTF was that for :))))))))))))))))
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You had to be quick to dodge those dusters!
I remember queuing up in the dark winter mornings before going to school with my maw so that we could get an extra loaf at the shops because most of the bakers had gone on strike. Does anybody else remember the bakers’ strike?
leftclicktic,
Ours was the ole “Penny Catechism” and something called “Bible Stories”. They both had BLUE covers.
I also remember getting told about places like Freemantle (visited it once years and years later) and the Land of the Midnight Sun, which Miss Brogan had actually visited. Don’t think too many folk in Parkhead in those days had done so.
Well, with Wullie ‘fifth’ Collum in charge tomorrow there’ll be no shortage of eyes on any incidents then!
I remember the bakers’ strike.
A terrible time, no matter how you slice it.
Pog yes indeed we should also asks about the tonev action because once again the rules are not being applied consistently.
Pog I too remeber queuing in the early morning for a loaf.
beatbhoy,
Couldn’t agree more. How long would it have taken a TV official to send a message to McLean saying that it was a clear penalty and a red card? The correct outcome would have been reached with minimal stoppage or delay to the game.
In rugby it appears that the ref can refer a decision to the tv official. That seems like a bit of a cop out to me, and some refs (from my limited watching of the game) seem to refer an awful lot just in case.
I would prefer something closer to the NFL, where the TV is used to review disputed calls. The standard used is that there must be clear evidence to overturn a call on the field. So the ref is still in charge but clear errors can be changed quickly.