Our now-annual defeat against St Johnstone yesterday was a timely reminder of how close to defeat any team can be if they are even slightly off their game. Despite fighting the urge not to be disrespectful to yesterdays’ victors, they are a poor team, previously without a win, bottom of the league and they had to cancel training during the week due to illness in their small squad.
But, they deservedly beat Celtic.
Kris Commons was a bright light among the largely disorganised looking team structure. Tony Watt also did well, even if he is still beating himself up for passing up the best chance of the game in the dying seconds, but defensively we were turned over, the midfield singularly failed to control the ball and Gary Hooper looked miles away from scoring his first league goal of the season.
Did we need a sharp reminder of the level of performance required against Benfica on Wednesday? It looks like it.
When we were kings
Don’t worry too much, a team with Fallon, Gemmell, McNeill, Murdoch, Auld, Johnstone and Wallace were turned over 0-2 at home by Hearts in 1969. A few days later Eusebio and Benfica, who lost the 1968 European Cup final after extra-time, a year after Celtic won the tournament, walked off Celtic Park having lost 3-0.
Artur Jorge played for Benfica that night. Apparently he still lurks in the corridors.
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thomthethim
23:40 on
16 September, 2012
mickbhoy1888
23:26 on
16 September, 2012
Petec
Just one example of refs in Europe and Celtic but I am sure there are many others
Uefa cup final Mr Lubos Michel was he also part of this great scottish masonic conspiracy against Celtic
My experience of following Celtic since 65 is that if you can consistently maintain a high standard of play week in week out you win games therfore trophies pure and simple
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prior to the game, the MSM were telling us of good friends Michel and Dallas were.
Dallas was also reported to be very thick with Collina.
Conspiracy….don’t know,but their is certainly a route to the top of the refs’ tree, and that is to keep in with the people of influence.
Where is Dallas now?
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You do know that Michel is the Brother in Law of some wee dud from Slovakia who we wasted about £400k on in 98? Now I figure if he was gonna be biased instead of just being really really poor (Ok then, completely garbage) it might have been in our direction!
ernie lynch @0853
Particularly like the comment – “Richard Wilson, I charge you with lazy journalism”.
The ‘man(?)’ makes a living out of peddling the myth that a dead club actually still exist and have a history!
HH!!
Dontbrattbakkinanger
08:36 on
17 September, 2012
Wee Catriona looking understated and professional this morning, nice understated way to start the le workin’ week.
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Understated ,like a bag of washin.
Hamiltontim 09:00
See 67 heaven at 07:58
DBBIA 0854
Once again,displaying impeccable musical taste.
From possibly his finest album,IMO.
Just put it on the soundock………
67Heaven @ 07:58
Thanks for that extract from the Herald.
To this observer, the past week’s output by Scottish MSM football journos has been quite extraordinary, following on from the 2 egregious and lengthy statements from Charles Green and Alistair Johnston. Each of which was widely quoted, but without any hint of follow up.
Indeed, there seems to have been an almost total lack of comment or analysis by any of the MSM, written or spoken: when each statement is bursting at the seams with detail (albeit largely misleading and wholly self-serving) and crying out for follow up.
Prior to Michael Grant’s piece this morning, about all I could find by way of comment on either of these nuggets was the guest piece in The Herald by Roger Mitchell … and he isn’t a journalist.
At the start of the week it looked as though the media was using the previous few days’ Scotland games as convenient cover for avoiding this stuff, but as the week went on I began to wonder if perhaps there was some kind of super-injunction in place, preventing the MSM from following up.
Or maybe the statements are just too complex for our lowly hacks to get their heads around.
FF
I forgot that the opening track to BLOOD ON THE TRACKS is Charles Green’s favourite song.
Tangled up in Blue…….
fassreifen
08:14 on
17 September, 2012
That really is it, in a nutshell……. Spot on, Bhoyo…!!!!
Morning CQNer’s
From last night – SUPERB Stuff. imo
P.S. I hope the link thing works…..
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petec
23:37 on 16 September, 2012
THE EXILED TIM
It is indeed the way of Celtic. I’d rather be the underdogs on Wednesday as it is easier to run through that brick wall that way. We have something to prove and we also have very hungry young players who want to be playing at this level.
Success this season is getting into the Europa League after Xmas so the pressure is totally off our players. I think the Celtic Support with it’s incredible leaders, the Green Brigade, will rise to the occasion like never before.
If we win on Wednesday I can see us getting at least a point in Moscow because we have really good players in our team.
Have Benfica felt this before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGm2oS0ulJs&feature=related only we will have 60000 giving it laldy this time.
Bring them on.
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The twelfth man will be the most important on Wednesday.
The above stuff from Superb CQNer Petec – should be the new Mission Statement from the dressing room.imo.
Wednesday will be difficult but, at the same time it will be a meteoric education for some of the young players.
Where i think Neil has gone wrong is – by not replacing Alan Thompson in the dug-out.
I think we or, Neil needs a – Grey Owl type of figure.
My suggestion would be a biased one but, I’ll say it never the less
Murdo Macleod !!!
The successful sounding board for Wim Jansen ?!?!?!
Hail Hail
YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!
The link thing worked !!! :o)))
folly folly
09:20 on 17 September, 2012
67Heaven @ 07:58
No problem……same old ……if it’s positive about the zombies, it gets FULL coverage ….. If it’s negative, it gets ‘buried’ ……(pardon the pun…..) …… But, the old media ‘lost the war’ ……. What a victory for truth, justice and sporting integrity …….!!!!
KEV JUNGLE
I’d only just got the hang of the link creator when it disappeared.
All those brain cells I murdered for nothing………
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
09:37 on 17 September, 2012
KEV JUNGLE
I’d only just got the hang of the link creator when it disappeared.
All those brain cells I murdered for nothing………
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Ha !
Not being secretive but, I’d rather keep it private as to how I lost mine.
Brain cells that is :o)))
Hail Hail
Morning all
Just about recovered from Saturday’s shocker.
I thought it was very diplomatic of wee Catriona to wear our away strip this morning.
Anyway – back to my usual twisted stuff.
Was not signing Johnny Russell – tempting fate ? Sods Law ?
I mean, Don’t sign Russell – Transfer window shuts – Sammi gets injured ?!?!?
Hail Hail
Out of order dig at Ally McCoist by Annan F.C.
The Pantaloon Duck
09:45 on 17 September, 2012
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Re: Catriona
Aye, her get-up this morning was a vast improvement on her usual
union-jack, WATP, orange sash/type collars etc….
kitalba
09:47 on 17 September, 2012
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:o)))
Hail Hail
Anyway
I seem to have brought the elephant into the room with me so
time to take him oot a walk again
laters…..
Kev
Are you Johnny Russell’s agent?
Mort
Kit – he only gave 8/10 to the fish suppers in the Cafe Royal, which seems a bit churlish.
KITALBA 0947
From pic 77/80
No pies today as the fish ‘n chip shop in Annan was our port of call pre-match. £15.90 for two inc drinks. 8/10 for taste and service in the Cafe Royal. The pies will have to wait until Jan 2nd
Can’t help thinking they would have been a tad busier had they put the price up by a quid…….
Walter Smith is the most unsuccessful manager in the history of the Champions League
jumpers for goalposts CSC
The answer my friend is blowin in the tremblin mince
See if you can guess who wrote the following……
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Powerbrokers have known of Rangers’ EBTs for years – why move now?
THE shenanigans which caused the collapse of Rangers are scandalous but, when you blow away myth and fantasy, a stretch of the imagination is required to declare Rangers cheated anyone.
Murray was in charge during the period EBTs were used
THIS might stick in the craw of those Holy Willies who believe EBT payments to have been the work of the devil, or worse Rangers, but it might be time to drop this costly SPL charade.
Financial mismanagement at Ibrox has already cost the game more than enough in legal fees but only the heartless and mean-spirited would continue to argue Rangers and their fans haven’t suffered.
Whether or not they’ve suffered enough is a debate which will still rage, mostly in the cyber domains of the deranged, but it’s nonsense to suggest they haven’t been damaged.
They’ve lost status and credibility. They’ve been docked points, fined, ridiculed and hounded. They’ve been accused of cheating and phrases like “match fixing” and “financial doping” are now routinely tossed into the mix, even in reasoned discussions.
A huge, dark cloud, bloated with swirling accusations, stupidity, and hatred, sits over the case of Rangers and their use of Employee Benefit Trusts. The story has been distorted, in some cases by misunderstanding, but in others by deliberate design.
Some argue they grabbed a handful of titles through financial deception and now these must be erased from the record books. The reasoning is Rangers won with players they couldn’t have afforded if they’d been paying tax on the full amounts. They cheated the tax man, the country and their fellow clubs. But did they really?
The shenanigans which caused the collapse of Rangers are scandalous but, when you blow away myth and fantasy, an immense stretch of the imagination is required to declare Rangers cheated anyone. EBTs were not illegal in the 10 years Rangers used them and both the SFA and SPL were fully aware of them.
They were never hidden and always declared in the audited accounts under the term Remuneration Trust.
Rangers shut them down when the law changed in 2010 and also at that time it was said the club had been operating a dual-contract system in relation to the EBT. The SFA contacted Rangers and asked for an explanation, which was given.
The SFA then granted Rangers’ licence to continue playing, just as they had done every year of the EBT era. The SPL didn’t have any objections either at that time.
Neither one of these bodies thought to question Rangers at any time in 10 years so what has changed? Why are the SPL, a body short of cash, spending money on another legal pursuit which may prove to be trivial?
Even those supporters of other clubs, who believed EBTs were illegal for no other reason than they wanted it to be so just because it was big, bad Rangers, must accept they were above board. Unless, of course, they now choose not to believe the SPL, the very body they’ve been insisting must bring Rangers to task. In explaining why Celtic have no case to answer, even though they had an EBT for Juninho, the SPL have underlined that this form of payment was acceptable.
But the crucial difference, according to the SPL, is Juninho didn’t take any EBT payment until he’d left the club. The league say Rangers have to be investigated because their EBT use was widespread and their players took payments during Ibrox stints.
There’s no denying Rangers had a huge number on EBT over a 10-year period but the SPL, if the documents before Lord Nimmo-Smith and his commission are thorough, will find quite a few of these players did exactly the same as Juninho.
The SPL, it can be assumed safely enough, are questioning whether or not letters to players detailing their EBT are secondary agreements but Rangers’ lawyers insist these can’t be described as contracts because EBTs are discretionary loans, or bonus payments, and not contractual.
In fact, these payments are so bizarre that players get their loans which are to be repaid with interest at the end of an agreed period but actually, the money is rarely, if ever, given back.
Juninho’s payment was apparently a “golden handshake” but for what? Not for working in a Celtic Park tea bar that’s for sure. He got his payment for his contributions as a player and, rather than make him different from anyone at Ibrox, that makes him exactly the same.
So, basically, what we are dealing with is a technicality. Rangers didn’t attempt to hide the EBT but if in registering the players without making reference to the loan letters they breached any of the SPL’s rules, why weren’t the errors picked up from year one?
The SFA and SPL saw the annual accounts, saw the EBT and allowed Rangers to carry on
regardless. Now, however, the SPL, or their lawyers, Harper Macleod, have found something wrong but are we saying Rangers should have titles taken away because of a technicality or the SPL’s own incompetence?
If so, that’s patently absurd. And it is petty in the extreme.
Rangers, who had about 11 different chartered accountants on their board in the EBT years, would have known if the authorities had any problem with their papers and there would also have been an “informal” exchange of certain pieces of financial information between Rangers and Celtic.
These two would have scrutinised one another’s annual accounts so if anything had been amiss with Rangers’ practice why wouldn’t Celtic have brought it to light?
If there is a problem why was it overlooked for so long and who will take responsibility at the SFA and SPL?
The same people, incidentally, did nothing when alerted to the fact Craig Whyte wasn’t handing over PAYE millions. Indeed, one SFA individual actually had dinner with Whyte late last year. Yet, he was allowed to carry on for months until Rangers slipped into administration. I’m sorry but neither the SFA nor SPL can examine their own standards and behaviours and believe they did enough.
I am not suggesting for one second the game’s authorities are responsible for Rangers’ collapse. Neither was it an EBT habit, nor that outrageous level of debt run up by David Murray 12 years ago, which closed Rangers.
That’s down to one man, Whyte, who got a winning club when the debt had been reduced to £18m. He should and could have been stopped before the damage became too severe and before HMRC had lost a fortune, although they themselves could have minimised the cost by acting earlier.
They were well aware of Whyte through his previous dealings and might have taken the view he had bought Rangers hoping it would be put into liquidation if the big tax case ruling went against the club. Rangers would have been lumbered with a bill of around £50m and Whyte could have blamed HMRC for closure.
It didn’t play out that way and the verdict isn’t expected now until October but why did the revenue allow Whyte to continue for so long when he wasn’t handing over taxes?
They were communicating with administrators Duff and Phelps over this issue and were offering payment plans which Whyte didn’t use.
Why? If they’d taken action at the right time, instead of waiting until June, when they refused Charles Green’s CVA offer and Rangers were plunged into liquidation, the cost to many of the creditors would have been much less. They are the real victims, not supporters who think they’ve been done out of a few titles
I wonder where the very decent gentleman and posters Paddy Gallagher and jhilday (sp) are?
I hope the leg is not bothering you J!
The reason why Celtic have ‘no case to answer’ over the ole Juninho EBT is that the amount of tax unpaid to the revenue over said EBT is £0 0p.
Pay your bills, ya Billy bludgers!
It maks sense tae me, and it maks sense tae Mo.
Efe Ambrose will receive the final stamp he needs in his passport, and will fly into Glasgow to join up with Celtic tomorrow.
Celtic Colours – Home
Celtic Colours – Away
My favourite ‘Home’ – April 1970.
My favourite ‘Away’ – 1960 – 1964.
BMCUWP
Britney?
PHILBHOY
I have enquired about JHILDAY a couple of times before,but hadn’t noticed PG’s absence.
Hopefully he’s simply getting another list of one-liners compiled.
If either of you are lurking,fellas-lurk no more and get back on!
DBBIA
That and the fact that Juninho had ONE CONTRACT which was lodged with SPL/SFA and said that Celtic will pay him £x per week for x years. The fact that the remainder of his contract was paid via an EBT makes no difference.
What the SPL are investigating Rangers about is whether their players had 2 contracts. One saying we will pay you £x per week for x years, which was losged with authorities and one saying, We will pay you £y into this EBT scheme which was not disclosed to SPL/SFA.
It’s really as simple as that and the legality of EBTS is not up for debate by SPL but sure why let facts get in the way of a story.
Let me guess, it was Traynor, Keevins or Jackson who wrote the story above.
Mort
Ole Sevco maintained another world record at weekend of being the only club in the world (including Sevconia) never to have won a league game away from home.
Crossbar Challenge CSC
BMCUW
Interesting point made in that article:
The story has been distorted, in some cases by misunderstanding, but in others by deliberate design.
He doesn’t do irony does he.
Mort
Leggat
For all those looking for decent tapas in Glasgow: you won’t find any.
Andaluz, Torres and Barca all have the ding of the microwave punctuating their restaurants and are all terrible.
I think the mystery scribe is wee Mark Hately, the Woodward and Bernstein de nos jours.
The following is an extract from FF
‘It’s getting embarrassing’
wherehaveyoubeen CSC