You and I have been doing this long enough to remember this place in meltdown at the prospect of Celtic signing a player from another SPL club. Domestically sourced talent was regarded as unimaginative, cheap, even. Contrast this with the utter joy when we signed Koki Mizuno, who was full-on exotic, but built for finer things then competitive football.
At 29, Aberdeen’s Irish international midfielder, Jonny Hayes is certainly unimaginative, and may be comparatively cheap, but he’s also a low-risk option for Celtic, who will know what they could get (and what they will not get) from the player.
With Patrick Roberts due to report to Manchester City on his return from holiday, Celtic are short of options for right-mid, with the first Champions League qualifier only five weeks away. The manager will view this gap in his squad as an unnecessary risk to next season’s objectives.
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Findlay Crown case is that money was not available on date of purchase, 6 May 2011, and Whyte knew, that amounts to fraud.
Whyte was on one side and on the other “the dupe”
Findlay “There was no financial loss to Murray, not a penny piece, well I suppose you could say they lost a pound”
Findlay accuses Crown witnesses of buck passing” to preserve their reputations.
FFS we really are signing him…
Take it Johnny Hayes will be signed then.
Not sure about that, however, Brendan knows what he is doing:)
Cmon Johnny:)
HH
Davidopoulos
Lets see if 29 yr old Johnny proves us wrong:)
HH
At best Hayes is a squad filler in a squad we are trying to trim in the quest for quality over quantity. He is, IMHO, another Cifti. I hope our collective ambitions are not going to be wagered, and out position of strength squandered, on squad filler caliber players getting free tickets to all our future matches. All they are doing is robbing a supporter of the brief.
The Green Man
That comment above was my last critical comment of this proposed move…
Probably…
:)
Koki Mizuno?
1.73754836598034690387m [approx] of full on exotic.
VFR800 IS NOW A MONSTER 821 on 2ND JUNE 2017 11:32 AM
BEATBHOY on 2ND JUNE 2017 10:39 AM
That’ll be 10 in a row when BR gets us 5 then! 😜
BEATBHOY on 2ND JUNE 2017 10:40 AM
Ha, ha! Your choice of words coming back to bite yer bum! 😂
KTF
I recall a lot of the same low light when we signed Stuart Armstrong and even going back to Scott Brown. I was a long time SB sceptic proved seriously wrong. If Brendan Rigers thinks Hayes is one to develop and strengthen the squad he will be good enough for me in the hoops.
Findlay says all business negotiations involve “lying to each other”
Findlay: in 2008 a financial crisis hit the whole world. “A Tsunami of financial problems hit Murray”
Findlay David Murray made two mistakes, turned out to be “catastrophic”
1, entrusted club to a board that “didn’t have a clue”
2, Trusted his advisors, which was a mistake.
Findlay: The big tax case liability could be £50m, £60m would have been “the end of the club”
Findlay: Mr Whyte came along and had a business plan, how practical it was not relevant
Findlay Craig Whyte painted as a pantomime villain as if everything was find before he came.
Was the “fall guy”
Findlay: Rangers was declining and no-one knew what to do. Only plan to borrow money to spend on the team.
“Ludicrous”
Findlay The only questions Murray ever asked Whyte was “money?” “money?’ “money?”
Findlay “Murray wasn’t interested in where the money was coming from” notes words “third party resources” in purchase agreement
Adds What did Murray’s lawyers ask about it? Absolutely nothing
One Johnny Hayes!
Hope you turn out to be a hunskelper!
See! I’m being all supportive now…
Davidopoulos
Mind you, if the 29 yr old(wont mention his name:)) transforms himself like Super Galctico Stuart Armstrong, who in one season, has went from a kyle lafferty type to a genius of messiesque proportions, we will do ok.
Still…what a transformation from Stuart Armstrong eh….Biblical:)
And of course, the whole world want to buy him now….Yawn.
If he is that good, we wont be able to hold on to him….Yawn:)
Some players need a reality check.
HH
TAURANGABHOY:
Don’t forget what age were Scott Brown and Stuart Armstrong when they signed for Celtic. I believe young Christie is a better player than Hayes, should we just pump Christie?
I’m not sure about the Hayes signing; no doubt he is a decent player but not, IMHO, better than James Forrest.
Having said that, Rodgers has improved Forrest, Armstrong, Boyata and Simunovic beyond comparison. He has brought out the flair in Rogic and Sinclair and breathed new life into Brown and Lustig. Craig Gordon is now a much better keeper.
So I am assuming the Rodgers sees something in Hayes that he can work with (again) and improve significantly. That’s his job I suppose!
If he does come, I wish him all the best!
KTF
Findlay to the jury: “The Crown are desperate for you to throw the context away”
VFR
Not for the first time, or the last, I’d imagine!
Findlay says he will try and finish today but will not be constrained by time from doing his duty to his client.
Court takes morning break
No complaints from me if we sign Hayes.he is an excellent player.was with ICT,and has vastly improved with the Dons.Just dont want a swap with Christie.He deserves another loan spell,hopefully with the Dons.He needs a season of competitive games,then we can see his improvement.If you are fast and tricky,as Hayes is,you can rip any opponent a new one.Dont care what level.
He is tough as old boots into the bargain,and can play right or left.Great tracking back to help defence.
Whats not to like for this kind of money?.
PAUL67
Koki Mizuno was worth every penny we spent on him,if only for the pleasure of all those huns binning their expensive new golf equipment.
(Above credited to my kid sis)
TURKEYBHOY
Agreed. Not once have I watched Ryan Christie and thought-dud.
He deserves his chance.
By the time the season kicks of proper Jonny Hayes will be 30 years of age.
Hi Paul67,
“…but he’s also a low-risk option for Celtic, who will know what they could get (and what they will not get) from the player.
Totally Agree.
I remember when we signed Griff and there was misgivings in the ranks.
Why? If we can get a proven top SPL Performer in to strengthen the squad, for me it’s a no brainer…
We play the vast majority of our matches in the SPL, it’s our bread & butter and winning the league is essential.
What Jonny can does in the UCL will be a bonus… It’s his SPL experience that’s invaluable.
Hail Hail
Id still be surprised if we tried to replace Paddy with Johnny Hayes.
Id prefer Jamesy.
Big step down from Paddy to Johnny Hayes….not good imo.
HH
CHAIRBHOY:
I remember when we signed Cifti and I remember the blog back then too.
Was reading up on the boy Fischer this morning.Very similar to Scotty Sinclair.Burst onto the scene as a future superstar.Recieved a shocking injury,out for a year.On returning to fitness,Ajax had replaced him,and changed their style of play.Has lost his way since.They described him as ,”Not a winger,not a number 10,but a player who moves all over the attack,very difficult to pick up,quick,terrific dribbler,great finisher.
Maybe just needing a bit of BR tender care.
A STOR MHA CHROI
I remember loads on the blog, including me, saying that Ciftci was not Celtic class.
We were right.
To me….Roberts being replaced by Hayes, isnt clever.
I hope its not true.
HH
A STOR MHA CHROI on 2ND JUNE 2017 11:50 AM fair point , lobo was older again but he did have a well renowned European pedigree even if he stayed faithful to a club that didn’t meet his aspirations until he became a bhoy. Young Christie should get his chance to play in the hoops. Hayes will probably just be a squad player but could be what we need for a long domestic and European season. Hoping for Paddy to come home or some young new talent fir the first team but we do have a strong squad right now.
ASTORMHACROI
The main problem I had with Cifci-while agreeing he had been excellent the previous season-was that he had scored ONE top flight goal before that.
Another example of us throwing mud at the wall. All of our successes back then were defensive players. Moneyball didn’t seem to work for us with attackers.
“The manager will view this gap in his squad as an unnecessary risk to next season’s objectives.”
Please don’t tell me Celtic are going to go all in on Jonny Hayes to realise CL qualification. Surely if ‘the manager’ views a gap in the squad he will fill it with a player befitting of implied ambition.
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 2ND JUNE 2017 12:04 PM
Id still be surprised if we tried to replace Paddy with Johnny Hayes.
Id prefer Jamesy.
Big step down from Paddy to Johnny Hayes….not good imo.
But its not a replacement for Paddy.Who knows what will happen there.If we make the CL groups,we will face a 60 game season again.We need back up for James and Scott.Not as if we are spending a fortune.If Paddy,somehow returns,all well and good.I really dont know why people are underestimating Hayes so much.I bet there is not an opponent or manager in Scotland who does.
will have and post opinion on Hayes tmrw when I get it from my Scottish football man this evening. Food wafflings are mine alone….. with confit of bacon and maple syrup
Hayes is a very good SPL player ( one of the best excluding the Celtic squad)
We are an SPL team
Whats wrong with signing him….If he does sign ?
Up the Dubs
Turkeybhoy
Id have hoped we could do a bit better than Johnny Hayes, no disrespect to the guy, but….id say we could be doing better, thats just my opinion.
For me, having watched him, he is a good player, but drifts in and out of the game, not better than jamesy.
Lets see what happens.
HH
Ah, I see the CQN panel of experts are judging Johnny Hayes by the popular ‘Leigh Griffiths Barometer’.
Previous deployment of this scale resulted in 40-goals-a-season, fans’ darling, Sparky being written off as being ‘not Celtic class’ and of questionable moral virtue.
How’s that one working out for us?
TAURANGABHOY:
i think you’d agree that Lubo was a much better player than Jonny Hayes could ever dream of becoming and cost 1/4 of the purported Hayes transfer fee without the fee being weighted with Christie. I can’t see any value in Hayes, none at all. He would just be robbing away supporters of a ticket and being paid to do it too.
Bring back Ajer from Kilmarnock and give him a chance. What about Kouassi, is he an away ticket robber too. Give the bhoy a chance before we bring in more squad fillers. We don’t need squad fillers to win the Scottish league next year but we need quality to progress in Europe.
A STOR MHA CHROI @ 12:05 PM,
Well! True Enuff…
But for me Ciftci wasn’t a top SPL Performer.
The way I look at it, JH doesn’t replace PR or JF.
He may well of course replace GMS… which, before you point it out:) Proves SPL performers (like most Players) don’t come with guarantees.
Our record this Season should not blind us to the fact that on occasions we have seen below par performances due to fatigue and injuries.
On balance I believe we’ll see a good addition to the squad.
Hail Hail
I can’t really comment on Jonny Hayes. Never paid much attention to him,tbh.
But,aw ffs,bad flashbacks,man(!)
I’d not long moved to Sarf Landan when Martin Hayes signed for us.
£650k
A Brentford mate was livid. They had a deal agreed with Arsenal until we stepped in.
At 80k…
Brentford dodged a bullet,I doubt he played a dozen games for us.
Still having nightmares about the last time we signed a right mid called hayes