Scottish clubs, including (original) Rangers, opposed the imposition of Strict Liability on clubs for offenses by their fans as long as the club concerned had undertaken all reasonable precautions to discourage and prevent those offenses.
In other words, if a club warn fans what is unacceptable behaviour, and confirm they will be banned from your stadium if they indulge, the club will not incur any punishment. As we know, it’s different in European competition, where clubs are held responsible for fans’ transgressions.
This is all fine and well, but it’s a moot debate after the Scottish Cup Final riot. Hibs and (Newco) Rangers may well have taken all reasonable precautions ahead of the game, but that changed for Newco immediately thereafter.
The statement defending the Newco fans taking the law into their own hands on the Hampden pitch that day is the opposite of undertaking all reasonable precautions. In fact, it was incendiary. I have little doubt it contributed to the actions of Newco fans in the first few months of this season, who appear to wandering around Premiership grounds ready to settle perceived scores.
Justification by Statement has continued. It’s now a pattern. The question for the SFA disciplinary panel, is whether they condone clubs encouraging fans taking the law into their own hands, as consistent with reasonable precautions, when deciding on actions by visiting fans at Celtic Park and Pittodrie.
It’s not. In fact, it’s dangerous and will lead to increasingly alarming situations until those setting the fires are brought to account. What happened at Celtic Park and Pittodrie was bad enough but far more serious consequences could lie ahead if this clarion call for Direct Action isn’t faced.
The players will still be buzzing from Wednesday night when they take to the field at Dens tomorrow lunchtime. We could blow Dundee away in a wave of effervescent football, or we could struggle to get heads out of the clouds. We’ve witnessed both scenarios before.
Jimmy Johnstone
You’re in for a treat tonight, the Jimmy Johnstone documentary is on BBC Alba at 9:30, on what would have been his 72nd birthday. It’s a brilliant journey into the life and family of an extraordinary-ordinary person. I thought I’d known all there was to know about the Jinky story, but I didn’t realise he was decades ahead of the game in terms of fitness and training techniques.
Brain injury
We have a special article out today, written by SunnyJim, on brain injury in the game (and a whole lot more). We re-examine a blow to the head taken early in the 6-2 game by Fernando Ricksen, who like Jinky, was struck by Motor Neurone Disease.
The game has a responsibility to its players, which means we all need to become educated in some of the risks. Read the article, you’ll learn something significant about an incident you are very familiar with.
The Celtic Foundation has had a great boost already from all those who are doing the Great Scottish Run on Sunday on its behalf. Dozens of Celtic fans have been sponsored by hundreds of fans, raising thousands of pounds.
This will be the last you hear from me on the subject before the off; if you can help, here’s the place.
Thank you, and thanks to everyone who has already contributed.
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Gerry
I would love to get to the boozer tomorrow to meet up with the ghuys. When O read about the Hootenannies on here I sometimes feel as if I did attend them. I’ve got my grandson tomorrow and I need to spend as much time with him as I can. I read about you and how you talk about your family coming first and I totally understand but hopefully I’ll get along yo one of them before long. I’m looking forward to reading dispatches from the trenches. I hope you all have a great day.
Hail! Hail!
Gerry
To be fair, I think £15-20m would be very hard to resist. He’s very raw and might not reach the superstar status that some have foisted upon him already.
The Jimmy film tonight lived up to it’s pre- screening billing.
It was insightful, nostalgic, for old hands, funny and sad.
It brought back so many memories and graphically demonstrated the reasons why those players were idolised.
They gave their clubs and fans everything and a bond was created that can never be repeated at any club today.
It was sad in a way that the passing of one’s youth is sad, but the memories are so warm and vivid, that they will sustain us to the end.
And that, my friends, is the joy of being a Celtic supporter. Cherish it.
Gerryfaethebrig,
I think Moussa will be given a rest (he doesn’t need it really – young and full of beans ) today, Leigh is likely to get a hat-trick though. :))
I’m still delighted about the construct of that first goal. I watched it about 50 times, it is over so fast, but it is so clinical. Magical.
Bobby Murdoch CUWP Thanks mate Greatly appreciated. The Bhoys will love it.If the reviews are anything to go by.Keep Well .HH
DEXTER SAYS HAVE WE ALL FORGOTTEN ABOUT THE LIVING WAGE AT CELTIC PARK??? on 1ST OCTOBER 2016 12:58 AM
I find it hard to believe that Brendan would accept that he has joined a ” selling ” club.
The loss of Van Dyke in particular , was very hard for me to take , but I did understand the need for financial restraint .
The absolute need for C.L. income has now been well and truly underlined.
That`s why the last fifteen minutes against Hapoel were torture.
So Sevco got 500 bucks.
Money for Nothing
point5Million.CSC
Imagine it was 3 points. :))
Neg2
Am also delighted you were wrong, it’s been some transformation, when footballers start working and doing their jobs, although Ronny was probably part of the problem BUT not the main problem, morality and justice are out with my remit and the thing you refer to whether you like it or not Celtic v whatever excrement from Govan sells, if some Celtic fans are too aloof, fair play, Celtic should look after Celtic, games against the new entity attract a lot of exposure, if you want to sit in your own wee (hopefully) Celtic world and think that mob don’t given”our” team exposure you are up a gum tree….. shit sells…………. I have no interest in our board, no interest in the Huns whatever form, but am afraid in life you need to play the cards you are dealt, I loved Celtic when we had Wayne Biggins and Gary Holt, I even put up with Lou Macari, I feel no God given right to better than anybody so again…….. Sometimes people like me get it right and some people like yourself who might be happier if others got it wrong…..supporting Celtic is different for everybody,mi just don’t understand Celtic supporters who don’t want to enjoy it whether we win or not, you should try it……its magic
macjay1,
I disagree Strongly.
The last 15 were the least uncomfortable on the night….. the 75 minutes previously were really tortuous.
Brendans tactical switch made it so. :))
Oh Yeah
http://www.adviserbreakthrough.co.uk/rangers-football-club-result-affect-us/
TOSB
Priorities….hope you and the wee man have a great day, I can’t get to Celtic Park these days for one simple reason….. Family, only reason I can make the Hoot for about 4hrs because I am working in the town, wee yin has already said if I wasn’t working I wouldn’t be going….that’s fair enough with me
Hopefully at one point we will talk rubbish about the hoops in the future
Dexter
By all accounts Zidane has been talking him up, personally I want to keep all our good players, more results like Wednesday will make it harder for the board to sell, by the way I still think Leigh is a far better striker than our Dembelle……..its great having the two of them, if anybody offered crazy money, I would keep Leigh
Gerry
I look forward to meeting up with you and LennyBhoy at some point. Family are very important (so are The Bhoys In Green). It’s a delicate balance for all sorts of reasons. You make sure you enjoy tomorrow.
I’m heading for my scratcher!
Moussa will likely leave after 2, hopefully 3 Seasons.
He is already @ the £10Mill+ bracket but he must be Loving it @ Celtic.
Celtic will take a lower fee (depending on the Club) with a high % of the sell on. And quite rightly so.
It was good seeing Broonie givin the Bhoy a rocket when it was definitely needed. ;))
I thought Broonie was finished, Delighted I was so wrong, he might not have finesse but he is still Full of Beans @ 31.
Broonie.CSC
GFTB.
Whether we like it or not Celtic represents more than football.
Despite vfr’s childish nonsense which vilifies supporters the only thing special about Celtic is the support.
Recent years see Celtic propping up corruption and racism. In our name? When do we have the courage of our convictions.
Or are we happy wallowing in our racist hypocricy?
Neganon- who you calling a racist hypocrite?
The Celtic support. The board?
‘Whether we like it ir not..” aye in your wet dreams. We know what we stand for. You stand for no-one but your sad wee miserable bastard self! Troll of the lowest order. Celtic on the up this week and you can’t even post a positive comment. Pah!
For the Celtic Board, business 101
1. Who is your customer?
2. What is their pain?
3. How can we serve that?
Figure that out
Some interesting stuff towards the end of the article.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/14762634.The_Big_Interview__Davie_Provan_on_a_life_in_football__broadcasting_and_why_Rangers_never_get_criticised_by_their_former_players/?ref=ar
Matt a fabulous post.
Came down stairs as i fell asleep on my gommy shoulder and couldn’t get back to sleep.
That fair cheered me up reading that.HH
So where are people watching the game today then?
I may well be in town so happy to stand a round!
By the way here is a link to my review of the Jinky documentary.
If you like it, please throw a couple of quid into the charity sleepout kitty. Those folks need all the help they can get and last year there were over 40,000 people in Scotland who were officially classed as homeless.
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/small-men-big-boots/
Neg2 2.04am
Hopefully, i (we) leave the bigotry and whatever to others, no bigotry in this household, I love my Sevconian wife :-)
Anyway all going today cheer the bhoys on they deserve it, HT &’the Minx1888 hope you both have a great weekend and the bhoys get you 3pts in sunny old Dundee…..
Hail Hail to all…….even the malcontents, although surely even they must be a bit content this week
What chance of getting a ticket outside the ground today?
I’ll pay real pounds for it….honest!!!
HH
RIP Mike Towell.
Ex Dundee Celtic Boys Club.
Good Morning
Regarding music posts.
For the backward people like me the news of this week is that Van Morrison has released new album “Keep Me Singing”.Fantastic album.
SOM MES QUE UN CLUB
Yes, RIP young Mike Towell, although I enjoy it, boxing is such a tough sport and his loss is a tragedy. Condolences to his family and friends.
SOM MES QUE AN CLUB @ 7.23 am
Sorry to learn of the death of Mike Towell. RIP
Also, thinking of his boxing opponent whose life will also be shattered. Tragedy for both families.
GERRYFAETHEBRIG
You have your opinion, and I respect it. My opinion ?
It was the happiest day of my Celtic life when they were liquidated as a result of prolonged, shameful cheating and corruption (inevitably leading to their destruction)
Notwithstanding this corruption, their hate-filled sectarian bigoted hordes were removed from our midst ……. they are now back, worse than ever, and I don’t want anything to do with them ….. I will continue to support the Club I love and celebrate my Irish roots / culture, but will never enter any stadium blackened by their presence …..hopefully, justice and truth will result in the liquidation closure, and sporting integrity will return to Scottish Football ….meanwhile, ‘fill your boots’ filling their coffers … HH
Sad to hear of another death in a boxing ring.
R I P Mike Towell
67 heaven
Our opinions are much the same :-)
It’s all about Celtic for the majority of us
Not sure if this has been posed…
quite interesting.
http://www.squawka.com/news/the-best-atmosphere-in-europe-city-fans-record-video-diary-of-trip-to-celtic/785920?
Just read back. Quiet night it seems (personal attacks notwithstanding).
Word of the Day in a minute then work!
FAC the Act
KTF
Word of the Day
noun
Pathology.
abnormally large secretion of bile.
FAC the Act
KTF
I found this interesting:
“TIMABHOUY on 1ST OCTOBER 2016 1:16 AM
http://www.adviserbreakthrough.co.uk/rangers-football-club-result-affect-us/”
Any of our more informed CQNers care to comment?
If so, I will read response later as I must dash,
Cheerio for now,
JJ
Lovely crisp morning here in darkest Lanarkshire.
Sad news on the laddie To well, hopefully God will bring comfort to his friends and family, not the best news to wake up to.
Spare a moment for his family.
Many of you will be having a tear up today, enjoy yourself with hopefully 3 points tucked away by the Hoops.
For me , a now normal pattern of behaviour, 5K at the gym, parents, shopping, Celtic game, DIY , prep dinner, vigil Mass and maybe the Dortmund game later on….
Enjoy your day everyone and remember that for all its faults, being a Celtic supporter and living in Scotland is a beautiful thing.
HH
Good luck to all Bhoys and Ghirls making the journey to Dundee this morning. Been a long time since I made it to an away game and was always a good buzz to be there. Looking forward to another great performance from Brendan’s Bhoys and am glad it’s a BT Sports day as I won’t need to listen to the nonsense from Sky, always a bonus.
Good morning friends from a dry, bright and pretty clear skied East Kilbride. Looks like I chose the wrong weekend to have a break from ParkRun ;-)
Morning all.
I gather there is a meeting of half wits, bams, inbibers, story tellers, singers, minstrels, legends and generally all round good punters today?
Is that in MacHuills or the BV? Or somewhere else?
Please advise because I have precisely £3.28 to spend on drink!
Beyond that if you can please spare a couple of quid for the charity sleepout.
Take the Dens park challenge and pledge £3/goal scored towards the sleepout fund.
Go on make a difference to those who are really less fortunate than bozo’s like me.
https://mydonate.bt.com/fundraisers/jamesmcginley2
The documentary about the wee man last night was both joyful and tearful.
Agnes Johnstone is one of the many unsung heroes who have / are looking after loved ones who are critically ill.