I loved the Newco statement from yesterday evening, it betrayed the reality that they’ve lost their nerve in the face of panic among fans and a complete lack of knowledge of what to do about History overtaking them.
They cited that the SPFL had a conference call on the subject of the Court of Session Oldco EBT ruling, but quickly got onto the subject that “our Club’s (sic.) history, including its many successes, is beyond debate”.
Those of us who supported another team during the EBT decade know well that history is beyond debate. We paid money to see those competitions and there will be no denying what happened.
At a stroke Newco took a debate, which was hitherto the exclusive domain of fan comment and the occasional journalist repeating the words of well-paid Newco and Ladbrokes SPFL PR team, that there was “no appetite” for title stripping, and made it a subject football people could legitimately be drawn on. In short, they made Rangers historical successes THE debate.
I’ve spoken to Celtic on various potential public statement matters over the years. They don’t always get it right, but they know when to shut their mouth and win support for their objectives, at the cost of taking flak for not making grandstanding public comments.
Tommo Blog.
While many paid to inform us were repeating paid PR as news, Channel 4’s Alex Thomson had no qualms calling-out the cheats in his blog yesterday: Rangers cheated at football: the fraudulent silverware must go. And that was just the blog title.
Oh Mr Black! The Rangers v HMRC First Tier Tribunal was held in private, with witness names given anonymity in the written report. Mr Black, the name of a key figure at Rangers, who signed and sold up to 400 footballers, and, I guess, took a senior role from late 1988 until 6 May 2011, provided damning evidence against the former football club at the Tribunal.
Thomson writes:
“Why did this powerful but busy character introduce a scheme of wholesale – and now proven to be unlawful – avoidance of NI and income tax?
Why – so the club could gain advantage on the pitch, of course: sporting advantage. By attracting and keeping players they otherwise could not afford. How do we know?
Because the powerful but talkative “Mr Black” was good enough to spill the beans to the Tax Tribunal: “Mr Black did not consider the Trust as a means of tax avoidance, but rather as a means of retaining and rewarding loyal employees. So far as Rangers was concerned it enabled the Club to attract players who would not otherwise have been obtainable.”
Sporting advantage.”
““Mr Black” didn’t see it as a tax wheeze at all, he said, but a football wheeze. Sadly for him if you’re now found to have been cheating the taxman you’re also cheating football – so now his unfortunate admission is a smoking gun
There is more: “As for Mr Black, he denied that the scheme was for tax avoidance in cross-examination, though he went on to describe the scheme as ‘a method of us acquiring, especially football wise, better players in a more cost effective manner than we would be able to do so’; that the club had been ‘very ambitious at that time’; and ‘it was seen as a correct and proper way for us to proceed’; that Rangers ‘have been very successful, because we’ve been able to attract players of a certain standard that, perhaps, we may not have been able to otherwise’.”
One more time: “especially football wise better players in a more cost effective manner”. Sporting. Advantage.”
“It is time Campbell Ogilvie explained his conduct – the man who played a part in the tax avoidance and personally benefited before going on to be SFA President.
It is time Sir David Murray – the conductor of this disastrous orchestration, by overseeing EBTs at Rangers – is similarly held to account for what he did and now, why Rangers did it for advantage on the field: cheating.
Above all, it is time the SPFL members came out from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee, Aberdeen and beyond to denounce cheating as cheating and take action as fans from Kelso to Thurso are begging them to do.
All the titles and silverware from all the years Rangers cheated at football, as they cheated at tax, must be null and void and wiped from the record.
Let nobody try and tell me it isn’t the same club – I have always said it is and now Rangers have to take the consequence of that reality right on the chin.
Turnbull Hutton RIP – how your godforsaken Scottish game needs you now.”
‘Mr Black’ really has dropped Sir David Murray in it. I hope he stays away from Charlotte Square. This situation reminds me of that scene from Blazing Saddles, where the sheriff turns his gun on himself. Alerts in advance for the use of racial pejoratives, appropriate for the environment, in this clip:
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Wilson on AGAIN!???
Robinbhoy signed petition earlier as I think henrik 1posted it earlier
Good Evening.
New blog has been posted. This one is about how our game is apparently ‘suffering’…
https://theclumpany.wordpress.com/2015/11/10/appalling-suffering/
Enjoy the rest of the evening!
Tax expert says “club”. Twice…..
Has Wilson not got a home to go to . He has obviously dug some mealy mouthed clown from down south to defend the Huns !
This bam has just said that he has a bet with a Priest that there will be an appeal … Wtf ?
STAIRHEEDRAMMY on 10TH NOVEMBER 2015 5:59 PM
As Celtic shareholders would there be a case to sue the SFA for failing to adhere to their governance requirements and thereby depriving Celtic of European revenue and us of dividend?
I would like to think that DD is aggrieved as the rest of us at getting stiffed.
Then again, we all know that great clubs with magnificent histories would never dream of stiffing anyone.
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CHANNELISLANDCELT on 10TH NOVEMBER 2015 6:44 PM
Has Wilson not got a home to go to . He has obviously dug some mealy mouthed clown from down south to defend the Huns !
This bam has just said that he has a bet with a Priest that there will be an appeal … Wtf ?
I hope that the priest has deep pockets.
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chemical Ali, lord haw haw, North Korean state media and Joseph goebbels all doffing their cap at Richard Wilson’s propaganda efforts on shortbread now
Even bringing on a mealy mouthed QC who admits he knows nothing about football
Hard on the heels of having McCall on last night who admitted “I know nothing about it” but who was still stridently against stripping titles
Jeezus now they’ve tracked down roger Mitchell to say Scottish football should draw a line under this!
Shortbread are truly throwing everything at the propaganda effort
And now roger Mitchell claims to be a Celtic fan, says rangers were dead, but they’ve come back!
This shortbread propaganda effort is truly breathtaking.
This Mitchell has had a few this afternoon surely ?
I thought Richard Wilson’s performance last night was the worst I’ve ever heard on radio.
Roger Mitchell just surpassed him.
BBC Scotland hang your head in shame.
Philbhoy: I downloaded Windows 10 onto my laptop and it caused it to slow down. Techie guy in work removed it for me (it wasn’t straightforward) and it is now back to operating at a decent speed.
Mitchell…Celtic mhan my a**e.
Sometimes I wish that we could comment on CQN Mag. articles just to let the author be aware of our appreciation if nothing else. There have been some great posts. Todays ‘The great Ibrox Robbery’ being an example. Very well done.
Now Mitchell is trying to claim it’s 2-1 to rangers on the tax case!
Feck me , this is Derek Johnstone logic gone mad.
It says it all when tom English is the voice of reason.
Mitchell now trying to exonerate the Huns on the grounds that hearts ,Motherwell and Parma didn’t live with their means
Don’t recall these clubs using illegal side letters or avoiding tax
Now McIntyre is trying to claim it’s all Scottish football’s fault and Mitchell is saying that molde, Malmo and Scotland national team is a bigger blight on the Scottish game than the Huns cheating
This is desperate stuff
Wilson saying he thinks an appeal will be lodged, I can guarantee you there’s no legs in any appeal
BBC equals Biased Bull Crap
Roger Mitchell currently talking the biggest load of bollox I’ve ever heard on Radio Scotland.
Says he’s a Celtic fan ! Dear doctor.
This makes Richard Wilson’s diatribe last night seem positively non biased.
” The game needs to move on ” says Mitchell.
Sorry Roger , Ya tosser.
It can’t move on when the whole game is tainted.
I think Tom English was coming out to say if no appeal then title stripping should be on the cards until he was interrupted by Roger Mitchell, hosts were glad he moved it on. Richard Wilson clutching at straws again tonight….
Until the SFA make a decision one way or the other this can’t be moved on.
Maybe we are all just out of step and THEY should be allowed to keep THEIR tainted trophies.
Then again,maybe THEY should Friar Tuck.
Roger Mitchell. FFS.
We will have tiny Wharton and bobby Davidson on next. Then that clown who tried to ban the tricolour at Celtic park.
Who says men can’t multitask?
Roger Mitchell clearly managed to violate a goat whilst simultaneously speaking on the phone to Shortbread just then.
The BBC will probably have Bombur on speaking up against stripping titles tomorrow
An appeal will not be automatically granted. Court will have to agree to give leave to appeal. Anyway, enough people say it….don’t listen to Radio Shortbread and you’ll not get your blood pressure affected.
By the way looooooong time lurker. Thought I’d join so that one day I can have “podium chaser” on my CV.
he glorious balance sheet on 10th November 2015 7:00 pm – See more at:
Someone should tell Taylor that THEY were actually living beyond everybody else’s means.
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/tommo-fraudulent-silverware-must-go-blazing-saddles-comes-to-scottish-football/comment-page-6/#comment-2716454
Are there two Roger Mitchells?
videocelts.com/2012/09/blogs/former-spl-chief-puts-green-in-his-place
GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL on 10TH NOVEMBER 2015 7:07 PM
Are there two Roger Mitchells?
Possibly. But who is the real one?
videocelts.com/2012/09/blogs/former-spl-chief-puts-green-in-his-place
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Mitchell and the English tax geezer have surely been bunged to come out with that stuff. Chronic.
Roger Mitchell,are you for real?
THE GLORIOUS BALANCE SHEET on 10TH NOVEMBER 2015 7:05 PM
Who says men can’t multitask?
Roger Mitchell clearly managed to violate a goat whilst simultaneously speaking on the phone to Shortbread just then.
The BBC will probably have Bombur on speaking up against stripping titles tomorrow
Only if he agrees to bring the deeds.
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BBC announces serious goat abuse alert.
Listened to Shortbread tonight, Oh Dear, it’s actually worse than SSB, and that is saying something.
Thay are doing a grand job for their favs, and come what may, they still have the megaphone.
They guy who made a perfectly valid point regarding money being spent, expecting a level playing field has been belittled because he’s small minded,due to the fact there’s a world of corruption out there and Oldco’s is small by comparison,only a decade.What chance do we have when this is the attitude?
Evening Timland from a warmish hun free mountain valley.
Listened to Shortbread tonight, Oh Dear, it’s actually worse than SSB, and that is saying something.
Thay are doing a grand job for their favs, and come what may, they still have the megaphone.
Oops, sorry for the double post
It’s about bragging rights? Are you kidding? It’s about honesty over cheating.Cheating is acceptable in Scotland now officially.
THEGLASGOWCELTICWAY on 10TH NOVEMBER 2015 7:21 PM
It’s about bragging rights? Are you kidding? It’s about honesty over cheating.Cheating is acceptable in Scotland now officially.
At least it’s official and we are not just paranoid.
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Why all the football talk? Only came on here to buy a TV can someone direct me to the TV reviews?
I hate international weekends. And it’s not even the weekend.
mike in toronto on 10th November 2015 2:57 pm
Sorry,pal.
In all honesty,I prefer Pavlov`s dogs.
Micktoon welcome to this great blog of ours but are you a stickie
Marrakesh Express on 10th November 2015 6:57 pm I thought Richard Wilson’s performance last night was the worst I’ve ever heard on radio.
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You obviously missed the one he was on at the start of the year when Ashley was going to use Ibrox as security on a loan. Sounded like a drunk in a pub.