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BCW
I’d agree with all of that mate. Yep your guessing towards the end but more of us are guessing the same thing.
Ok,I am not a fan of Commons,just like our manager,but if we win the league and he scores 20/30 goals I will pretend I am his number one fan .Why?,because Celtic is bigger than any one man..If that makes any sense.
Doc
Do you think we have moved forward or backward since last season ?
HH
CRC
Jamesgang, I know you were, just poking fun.
We also have Allan for this season, and Armstrong, Johansen(not on current form though),
Did I mention Commons, we have him too, could someone remind Ronny?
I heard he was dead @ 10:44 pm
SFTBs
“That is some claim – he did what he did in Norway in a year in Scotland because he inherited Neil Lennon’s team and it took him long enough to get them to play especially after dropping the player of the previous year for too many matches.”
There may be other reasons why he won the title but I was addressing the original point made that a) he was a rookie and b) he had achieved nothing in the game,
“He won a one team league with the most expensively assembled squad.”
That’s a good thing. We have seen other leagues lost by teams who have the same advantages.
“It was the very least expected of him and he had to weaken our cup final opponents into winning the other cup.”
Aye, and we beat them 6:1 when they had SA and GMS (and Ciftci). We still won
“He’s not a great manager, he’s not Norway’s answer to Dortmund’s Klopp as some people tried to paint him when he turned up.”
I have no recollection of anyone making such a claim. His coaching line up and reliance might be the same as Klopp’s (and Schmidt’s at Salzburg) but that does not make him their equivalent.
“He’s an average manager who is being found out and found wanting.”
Maybe, but lots of good managers have had tough spells and even failed at clubs- Jock at Leeds, Clough at Leeds and later on in his career.
For those who have time to kill, on the nightshift or whatever, or those who just like to be pissed off haha … here’s a lengthy piece on The Strategy and how it ends …
http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/the-last-days-of-peter-lawwell/
On an unrelated note … this is the first time I’ve used the new site on Google Chrome, with AdBlock, which I have on Google Chrome by default. The difference between using it on Chrome and on Firefox is night and day. This is much smoother, the writing is easier to read, the layout is spaced out better … those who’re having problems, try Chrome if you can use it on your device.
Totally transforms the experience. Much better.
FANADPATRIOT on 13TH SEPTEMBER 2015 11:37 PM
Hamiltontim
I was not at the game nor seen any film of it,but one swallow does not make a summer.i respect your opinion as a true supporter but disagree in your assessment of the quality of a Celtic player standard.
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Mate you’ve not even watched the game. I was there and I’ve seen the highlights and you’re questioning what I think we need?
C’mon mate. Criticise or praise but do so from an informed opinion.
HT & lionroars
Before any further offence is taken- I should be clear that I was including myself in the 99.9% – the day you hear me claim that I could coach Celtic or that I could analyse a match better than pro managers, you can pull me up about it.
I left 0.1% open because we may have a rare poster or two on here with professional management experience in football- maybe!
I was not asking for us to stop talking or commenting- and some people who have run football teams or pro teams in other sports, will have a bit more credibility. But, if their record and ability was even close to Ronny’s, I think I might have heard tell of them.
Unless we have a regular winner of the Bhutan Premier Division on here.
A Deila Lama- maybe :-)
Doc
11.44 post was class and well reasoned
I think cowiebhoy’s roaster allegations are thoroughly unwarranted!
Night mate
HH jamesgang
CRC, as I said, backward, but not so far as expressed on here in the last 24 hrs.
The back 4 need time to build relationships, understanding.
Denayer was slated early last season, the return of the sieve was mentioned!
VvD is a loss, but not as much as Denayer, and at that price, it was a no brainier.
Good player, potential to become better, but his partner was better, much better.
So, we will get there, given time, games, and coaching.
Last year many, around this time, were saying Ronny had no clue, was out of his depth, and we should punt him. I argued the opposit. We won a double, so was I right?
Evidence of last year says so.
So this year, I repeat, Ronny will get it right, far more often than not.
Bumpy road? Absolutely, why? Because we aren’t Barcelona playing in this League.
Hamiltontim
Sorry I was not giving my opinion on one game,I have watch Mulgrew over a number of years,He Is Not Good a Enough For Celtic.If in your opinion he played well against Aberdeen fair enough,if you think he is good enough for Celtic your are deluded.
I cannot get to many games now,but in years gone bye I was fortunately to follow Celtic to our greatest triumphs and disappointments. Ie Lisbon and Milan ,I think I can give my opinions whilst respected yours.
SFTBs
Show me a manager whose failed to win the league in Scotland with the most expensively assembled squad and their local rivals not in the league.
The last manager not to do so was Advocaat when MON turned up and both teams’ squad were far more expensively assembled than the rest.
Aye and the same Dundee United beat us 2-1 at Tannadice with them in the team before Christmas.
They’d have had a much better chance had they kept those players.
jamesgang, Well reasoned, aye right!
Charlie tried to get his arm out the way IMO never deliberate.
Some of our fans seem to have Stockholm Syndrome with these Refs.
I’m with Griff…cheating barstewards.
SETTING FREE THE BEARS FOR RES. 12 & OSCAR KNOX on 13TH SEPTEMBER 2015 11:58 PM
HT & lionroars
Before any further offence is taken- I should be clear that I was including myself in the 99.9% – the day you hear me claim that I could coach Celtic or that I could analyse a match better than pro managers, you can pull me up about it.
I left 0.1% open because we may have a rare poster or two on here with professional management experience in football- maybe!
I was not asking for us to stop talking or commenting- and some people who have run football teams or pro teams in other sports, will have a bit more credibility. But, if their record and ability was even close to Ronny’s, I think I might have heard tell of them.
Unless we have a regular winner of the Bhutan Premier Division on here.
A Deila Lama- maybe.
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Are we Ronny? No.
However, Lionroars has coached at Celtic and I’ve coached the best young players from Glasgow’s Catholic primary school.
We do know football and obviously we think things aren’t right.
You may disagree and that’s absolutely fine but we do know about football.
Steven Naysmith upping the compensation expectations of the GASL with his performance yesterday. Had it not been for that pesky liquidation they would have got £500 million for him.
FANADPATRIOT on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2015 12:02 AM
You have no idea how jealous I am of your Celtic experience mate.
its getting harder and harder to stand by Ronnie , as much as I want him to do well. Think back to when he arrived……We were told He likes playing a fast tempo game , pressing teams high up the park , he did nt want to just beat teams but “murder” them …………. I just dont see this and just dont see it happening anytime soon .We all expected blips along the way but twice he never made the champs league ( last year he can be excused as he was just in the door) but this year we had a favourable draw , we were 2 up in the tie and still we did nt make it . The ICT semi final last year still hurts , yes we were cheated out a penalty but tactically the were far superior than we were for all the 90 minutes . While I did nt realistically think we would be pressing teams high up the park in europe ,I really thought domestically we would be and totally controlling games . Hate to bring Sevco into this but we really should be doing to most teams in this league what they are now doing to teams in their league ie full of confidence and cruising past teams. IMHO I think hes too stubborn to admit his mistakes , he really needs to learn quick or I think it will all end in tears as the way I see it so far ..Ronnie talks a great game ……..but ……….think you know the rest
That’s brilliant, all the big money players at man city and it is an 18 yr old debutant who wins the match for them. And what a lovely joyful expression when he scored. Wouldn’t it be lovely if we gave the odd youngster the chance to do that for us. Could young o’connell not have done a job for is yesterday ?
Hamiltontim
I know how lucky I am,I have a plaque on my wall,”The Final Whistle”a gift from a grandson ,who by the way sings a good Reb song,that I look at every night before I go to bed..Where I am going now.HH
Can I just say before I hit the pit that earlier TonyD was claiming that the Celtic Trust were behind the negative posts on here regarding Celtic.
That’s not the case.
Most of the committee don’t even read CQN never mind post and of those committee members only two do post and one of those very rarely.
If we’ve got something to say I’ll say it under the name of the Trust. We have an agenda but it’s by no means hidden.
Most sensible Tims will know this in any case.
Hail Hail
I Heard He was Dead
“Show me a manager whose failed to win the league in Scotland with the most expensively assembled squad and their local rivals not in the league. ”
Ally McCoist & Stuart McCall
HT
“We do know football and obviously we think things aren’t right.
You may disagree and that’s absolutely fine but we do know about football.”
I do not and did not disagree with that judicious distinction between “know” and “think” in your first sentence. People who have run football teams at any serious level will know what is and, more importantly, what is not easily controlled by a coach or manager. That there are posters who are better informed and more experienced than others on here- there is absolutely no doubt about that.
But there is still a gap to be bridged between experience of coaching talented kids at an amateur level and semi-pro level, and working with a squad full of seasoned professional footballers and internationalists.
Having had the experience that you and lionroars have, you are more careful than most to avoid the BS claim that “I ( or my wife) could do his job easily”, which was the point I was disputing, and not the perfectly reasonable distinction you make.
Is it just me or hast he author of this site whored it out to tracking bots and directing you to betting sites before you getting anywhere near logging in, in order to make a quick buck just like uncle Peter as I have always suspected to be the case of amateur internet journalists
Anyway near enough a fortnight ago I described the performance as gutless and spineless at Malmo and on cue the usual suspects dive straight in an and start to divert attention from that performance claiming the usual trolls have invaded the blog
Come the Saturday after said game and the GB unfurl a banner that more or less agree with my sentiments and here we go the usual suspects defend them and defend their gutless banner
But hey ho
Btw totally bang out of order the poster guernica received on here last night. I just wonder if the same brave volunteers would have been as brave in a face to face in a pub rather than hiding behind their keyboards
Oh one other thing for all my socialist minded friends on here before I retire
I have agreed to house any number of refugees in my household as long as they are 6’2” blondes female and Swedish
Oh I just love being socialist minded
James Forrest. Enjoyed your piece and the linked one, Pale Horse. Reminded me of all the times over the years I could have wept at Lawwell pulling his punches when we could have taken huge strides forward. He got lucky at times, in particular Lenny’s ability to deliver success in spite rather than because of the Godforsaken ‘strategy’, but we are now seeing the full fruits of his work. Everything on the cheap – the manager, loan deals, SPFL dross signings, £2m cap on transfers, Scott Brown wage level cap… Massive player turnover as we try to find a diamond in the rough we can sell on as soon as possible. A weak and compliant manager willing to forsake team building in gratitude for being massively and unexpectedly over promoted. Player quality degrading year on year, with results to match – Legia, Maribor, Malmo (not to mention Artmedia, Utrecht, Braga, Sion). And now the 10 men of Aberdeen. The extinguishing of all ambition, drowned out in a sea of spin about ‘moneyball’ and the impossibility of competing with the EPL and Championship (as if those are the only leagues in the world we can be benchmarked against). Using the debacle at Ibrox to justify prioritising debt elimination at the expense of reasonable investment is bogus economics, in keeping with Tory austerity. In 11 years he’s systematically replaced the greatest Celtic team I’ve seen in my lifetime with the mediocrity of today. And all the while he’s managed to persuade large numbers of people that he’s some kind of mastermind worthy of the annual surge in remuneration. In person I’m told he is impressively slick, but then so are all the best snake oil salesmen. Like you I’m not buying and opinion is shifting the same way amongst the boys that I talk to.
PeterLatchfordsBelly:
Thanks for that mate.
What astounds me is that, like the government’s austerity narrative, what Celtic fans are being asked to accept is not a consequence of circumstances, as many would have us believe.
It is a choice, a deliberate, systematic, choice made by people in the full understanding of what it means.
We’re told that it has to be this way, that we don’t have other options.
To put it baldly, and bluntly, that is a bare faced lie, but it’s one that is “accepted” by a large number of people. No-one on the left of Labour is talking about building a New Jerusalem with specially printed ten pound notes, and no-one in the Celtic support is advocating Rangers style spending far less the Manchester City type fantasy football stuff that is such a scandal and an outrage at a time when millions of people don’t even have enough money to buy basics like food.
But those are the weapons we’re hit with again and again and again, as if we’re talking about the height of recklessness, instead of simply doing what is right, and in our own best interests.
I genuinely believe we’re in big bother. Aberdeen has a two point advantage and a game in hand. They win that on Wednesday, we’re in Amsterdam the following night. I see no evidence that we will avoid a seriously bad result. If that comes about, we return on Friday morning to a Sunday game which, if Aberdeen win the day before, becomes a do-or-die match … in September.
We drop anything … and the reaction of the last couple of weeks is going to seem like a Swedish massage to those who think they’ve seen anger.
And all of that will pale into insignificance, completely, if we stumble enough to put retaining the league title into significant doubt.
Hey, I am sick playing Cassandra. I said a lot of this in the Wilo Flood window, right on this site, and three years of Hell followed it. On 11 October 2011 our whole club stared briefly into the abyss of the most sustained and serious crisis it has experienced since the early 90’s.
My old man was there that night, and he said the Kilmarnock fans inspired the Celtic fans and that inspired the Celtic team. Neil Lennon is on record as saying he considered his future, and if he’d gone that night there’s nothing on Earth that would have saved others at our club.
We turned it around and the league race with it, but the last great lucky hand Lawwell was dealt was the cack-handed way those at Rangers handled the administration of their club. Had they survived that – unlikely as that is – I genuinely don’t believe we’d be chasing four in a row right now. We’d lost three of the four before it … and the board appointed a rookie as manager in response.
That, too, was more luck than foresight.
That luck has to run out. In terms of ability to turn a profit from players, some are speculating that Virgil is the last of those, and so it already might be a busted flush in that regard.
And then where are we? What’s the plan? Further cuts?
Good luck selling that “vision” to the fans.
I hate it, I hate all of it, and I hope beyond all sense that the guys on here who defend the strategy are right, that they know more than I do, that they have it sussed and I have it dead, dead wrong.
But I’m not wrong. This gets worse before it gets better, and it only ends one way.
Five in a row. Forgive me my wee slip. Been on this computer most of the day and I’m seeing double, treble, stars and stripes and about ready to crash.
Y’all take care until next time.
On the wee tablet for a wee change, normally use the fone .
Credit where credit is due – the site is beginning to look very neat and professional indeed.
It’s a pity that some legends are no longer posting though.The likes of Kojo and FFM, to name but a few.
Communist?
Fascist?
What difference does it make?
You need people whom sometimes go against the grain, otherwise you really are left with something that resembles a dictatorship.
Ah well, such is life – as Darkie himself always said.
MoonhowlersCSC.
HH.
Magical:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ8v-cjym_M
HH.
Hope yer wee dug turns up,pal.
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FOURSTONECOPPI on 13TH SEPTEMBER 2015 5:35 PM
For all the folks that live west of glasgow we’re in a desperate hunt for a wee lost dog called Stan a cross between a staffy and a lab
LOST DOG
Thurs 10th Sept 3:30pm
Stan(ley) black Staffy x Lab
Tagged blue collar & microchipped
Last seen at the top of this hill (Ben Bowie) between Cardross & Loch Lomond. and could have gone any direction taking him to Trossachs National Park / Loch Lomond / Balloch / Renton / Dumbarton / Cardross / Colgrain / Helensburgh / 4+ farms / the forest/ the Clyde
Heard he was seen at dalmuir but who knows!
Cheer
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Peter Latchford
In 11 years he’s systematically replaced the greatest Celtic team I’ve seen in my lifetime with the mediocrity of today. And all the while he’s managed to persuade large numbers of people that he’s some kind of mastermind.
The clubs ambition has been downsized.
Spend what you earn is fine as long as you are earning more
Nowadays our earnings are falling and subsequently our spending falls
and then guess what? The reduced spending means less earnings, which invariably results in less spanding
and the downsizing merry go round keeps turning
How is that a strategy in any business- oops I guess saying that means Im a troll from the darkside
thing is though, 25,000 empty seats agree every second week….
Scotsman
Commentary.
Not quote.
I wonder precisely what he said.
Mackay-Steven revealed the Celtic dressing room was a scene of both anger and disappointment on Saturday after the dramatic nature of the defeat by Aberdeen.
TAMRABAM
The strategy can only be successful if players who are signed are considered good enough to be bought for big bucks by another club.
I’d say we’re at the Mother Hubbard stage now. Unless we have a hidden gem in our squad,PL is gonna need a Plan B. And he hasn’t shown much sign of having one.
MACJAY
I didn’t mean to suggest the other night that you were on the bell for the curries. More that the mere mention of one gets me salivating!
See you on 17/10,all being well.
SFTBs
Most people would consider ”the league” to mean the top league.
Bringing those two managers into your argument to defend your point is silly because they are not our rivals in the first place and if you are using them as a defence for Ronny Deila to remain in a job when they failed in lower leagues while having a bigger budget than their competition then you are actually agreeing with me – they didn’t keep their jobs and Ronny Deila won’t if things get worse. The board will bite the bullet if the gap gets bigger and the fans will demand it.
Managers with bigger budgets than the opposition who fail to win the league they are in (or in one case get promotion) don’t keep their jobs.
The same rules apply with Ronny Deila. Should he lose this league, the results will be catastrophic but people like you will be sitting in April telling us how Ronny is the man and Aberdeen will fold.
It’s simply not credible anymore.
Good morning everybody
Not been on this blog in a while and only read back a bit of yesterday and this morning’s contributions. I cannot imagine I would have enjoyed Saturday’s musings.
I think that Peter Latchford’s Belly at 1,05 articulates very well how I feel and can only add that having failed to qualify for the Champions’s League against clubs with fewer financial resources and in one case a smaller population base than the teams who knocked us out and then read the headline figures of the club’s annual report I can only conclude that the club is failing on the park whilst failing its shareholders off it. Turnover little more 2/3 of what it was two years ago? C’mon that is not brilliant surely?
And the team certainly is not brilliant. I read SFTB’s statistical comparison of recent season’s ‘starts’ with interest but no great surprise. Stats are useful but whilst the emotional accountants out there ( who do not include SFTB I might add) will scoff I would assert that this ‘feels’ different to previous years when we hardly sprang out the blocks either. Some of the new signings – Boyata and Ciftci most obviously- have not made auspicious starts to their Celtic careers and the fear is that our scouting system is now uncovering defenders who are every bit as inept in their area of play as the misfiring strikers we have been regularly landing post Hooper and Stokes have proved. As for dressing room ‘unrest’ well I would hope players would be angry after the shabby recent displays but I suspect that the unrest (should it exist) is not that – quite possibly the exact opposite as spoilt brat players reacting badly to being told by some home truths by their manager and his assistant. All this is conjecture of course and the rumours of players getting into dressing rooms post Malmo to read their mobile phones whilst the coaching staff were raging might be just that ie rumours.
Anyway it is time I got up and faced the world. It’s going to be a long hard week.
Jimbo67
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on 14TH SEPTEMBER 2015 6:04 AM
MACJAY
Just joshin` with you,pal.
MACJAY
Rogan Josh is a strong possibility. Well,I say strong,it’s actually a bit mild for me!