We deservedly lost at Ibrox on Saturday, so it would have been inappropriate to apportion any responsibility towards referee John Beaton, for the free reign Newco player Alfredo Morelos had to kick Scott Brown, stamp on Anthony Ralston and assault the genitals of Ryan Christie during the game.
These things occasionally happen in football (although seldom in such quantities) and are picked up by the SFA review process. What is exceptional about these circumstances is that the review process is unable to act as the referee claims to have witnessed each incident and determined no action was worthy of a caution or more.
Beaton will have mitigated his decisions with some or other explanation, perhaps with “It wasn’t that bad a stamp” type comment. This is how the process works. The system is rightly designed to protect referees and allow them latitude to make decisions, including the occasional mistake.
It is not always easy to view common assault for what it is, in fact, it is easy to get carried away with an occasion and raise your threshold for such matters. It is only human to be affected this way. But this is bad refereeing.
Beaton could have taken the easy route out and claimed he missed one or more of the incidents, each was off the ball, after all. That would have allowed the review panel to dispassionately decide if such attacks are to be prohibited, or encouraged, in our game. Instead, he affirmed that in his view, there was nothing in Morelos behaviour worthy of a caution.
I have no idea what Dedryck Boyata said to earn his red card from John Beaton against St Johnstone earlier this season but I defended the referee’s decision that day. You have to trust match officials to competently carry out their duties. Do I still trust John Beaton’s views on kicking players, stamping, genital punching and the like? No. His views and significantly out of line with mine.
I don’t see a conspiracy in what happened this week, just a referee who was not up to the job. A good referee would have cautioned Morelos for the first incident (kick on Brown). This may have prevented the more serious attacks on Ralston and Christie, but the Newco player was not even spoken to after any of the incidents.
These are not easy games to officiate but this was not a game full of controversy or incident, only one player and one referee lost the plot.
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Jobo
I cannot speak for MWD but maybe he was using the standard Sevcoite response (in MWD’s case, as a parody) that any criticism of Alfredo is based on racism.
TRADITIONALIST88 on 7TH JANUARY 2019 8:47 AM
” Jock had no problem with the playing of rebel songs on the players coaches to and from matches during the Lions era, pretty sure he facilitated it a few times with songs like Sean South… and certainly wasn’t ‘repelled’, nice try of you to try and put words in his mouth though to suit your agenda.”
Give me chapter and verse.
Are you unaware that Jock went on to the terracing to remonstrate with Celtic supporters singing IRA songs.
Do you know your history ?
Macjay
Yes, I know that happened ONCE in Jocks long Celtic career, can you tell us specifically what songs they were singing that prompted that incident?
You are aware that the Lisbon Lions, our greatest ever team, played the rebel songs on bus trips to and from matches?
Are you aware that Jock travelled with the team?
Good pal of mine works in a Boots near Parkhead.
Has just let me know that Shane Long and James McLean have been in this morning with the Celtic doctor for a blood pressure test and a flu jab
#medical
#thecelticway
#COYBIG
CORKCELT on 7TH JANUARY 2019 8:51 AM
What came into Glasgow was a multitude of starving impoverished people. What caused them to come was previous deliberate actions by the British which wasn’t a Famine it was Genocide. The potato crop failed but the Country was bursting with corn. At the time the Act of Union was in place so by British Law Irish People were entitled to same rights as Londoners. However there was one difference they were Catholic and this was a God given opportunity to punish them and to clear the land for the big estates & by God did your beloved Brits take their opportunity. Just like they did in many far off lands as Britannia civilised the natives & then screamed bloody murder about the immigrants flooding their Country as the chickens came home to roost.
There is a very good reason why there is a Club in Scotland with a proud Irish Heritage so stuff your analogy of an Orange Club in Cork & stuff your anti emigrant, right wing ideology that you pollute this site with.
Don’t bother replying, first of all I’m genuinely off oot but secondly I don’t care to converse with you.
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Quite right .
The kitchen`s too hot.
Stop press :
Cromwell`s dead .
TRADITIONALIST88 on 7TH JANUARY 2019 8:58 AM
Macjay
Yes, I know that happened ONCE in Jocks long Celtic career, can you tell us specifically what songs they were singing that prompted that incident?
You are aware that the Lisbon Lions, our greatest ever team, played the rebel songs on bus trips to and from matches?
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Still no chapter.
Still no verse.
Urban myth ?
Talk of the steamie ?
Celtic’s history didn’t start with Jock Stein.
It started with Brother Walfrid.
Jobo
See SFTB ??
MWD
Still no comparable Celtic “hymn”!
MWD Astounded of forehead I am not.
MWD and SFTB – I get it now. Although, I wasn’t actually criticising Alfredo but rather wondering if he could help me!
Anyway, aff oot for a windy walk…..
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 7TH JANUARY 2019 9:03 AM
I’ve read too many Celtic books, plus I’m not in denial.
On your Aussie beach its highly ironic you couldn’t be more out of touch with Celtic and Celtic supporters.
ERNIE LYNCH on 7TH JANUARY 2019 9:04 AM
Celtic’s history didn’t start with Jock Stein.
It started with Brother Walfrid.
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How many European Cups did he win ?
:-)
How you doing , Ernie ?
TRADITIONALIST88 on 7TH JANUARY 2019 9:09 AM
You`re probably right.
Doesn`t mean I`m wrong.
Just like Jock , what I want is in the best interests of Celtic whether others believe that or not.
Don`t complain about Scottish institutions while we continue to antagonise them .
Take action . Make a change.
4h 25 mins…
MWD it shouldn’t be this difficult! Really. It shouldn’t.
Macjay
Who antagonised Beaton last week?
TRADITIONALIST88 on 7TH JANUARY 2019 9:24 AM
Macjay
Who antagonised Beaton last week?
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No excuse for his blatant anti Celtic bias.
None whatsoever.
In all probability he is a part of the anti Celtic agenda which exists in Scotland.
Fuelled in significant part imho by the singing of IRA songs.
Any chance of an occasional Lion Rampant ?
Over a week now but still very sore over the performance, the result, the media deflection and the complete lack of focus from the club.
Usual suspects to the fore doing what they seem to do best.
End result is we are in a bad place and Scottish football is now a joke.
Padora’s Box doesn’t have a look in and things are getting worse.
I fear that the next step is not far away and someone is going to get hurt.
Might be containable if it is on the field of play but if not them all bets are off.
Toxic mix at the moment — BrExit, MigrationWatch (who needs them now?), Irish Backstops, Second referendums … all at one level.
Then we have TFOD2.1 mad mentalist “minority” getting restless, MIB Ludge getting nervous, SFA Ludge having a laugh, Clearasil Republicans singing the Slosh …
I wonder where the spark will come from?
One thing is for the sure the Indy argument locally is collapsing in plain sight.
When it comes to football we are an independent entity in the eyes of the world.
And look how we are managing that responsibility.
Best wee country in the world — dangerous self delusion more like.
OK , lads.
Nice chatting.
Thanks for the courteous responses.
Off without finding a comparable Celtic “hymn” to stand up his arguement.
MWD shocker!
Tch tch tch tch tch…
What’s that skippy ?
If we stop singing songs they will like us more…
Oh the back o the bus they cannae sing…
Somebody’s bored and got their fishing rod out again.
Or is it their pointy stick?
???????
MACJAY1 FOR NEIL LENNON on 7TH JANUARY 2019 9:31 AM
Most other teams fans don’t like us because we’re a big club, the same way there was the ‘Anyone But United’ stuff surrounding Man Utd during their glory days.
Most of these fans hate Rangers and dislike us.
Some dislike us for displaying any hint of Irishness.
Don’t sit at the back of the bus – we should not be pandering to the requests of bigots to water down our identity.
Morning Tims….
First they came for our songs……then??????
………………..apparently when one too many of the wrong type of rockets collide a strange and rare reaction occurs – there is no “explosion”, no great “fireworks” to marvel at…. but an implosion….a general deadening of the atmosphere….and suddenly all the air is sucked out of the room.
So looks like TImothy Weah will sign an 18 month loan deal as opposed to the 6 months initially mooted – having not seen much of him or watched any youtube compilations yet (I know, I know)…how excited should we be about this signing?
HH
The smoke signals from the recruitment department don’t inspire me with much confidence. Seems to be another round of projects, development loans and now desperation loans.
Nothing about squad enhancement, first team starters or problem position elimination as you would hope for in a tight title race against the SFA Establishment / Media Pack / Ludge MIB and any other team that can make the most of their benevolence.
Consequently not looking good for the long term.
At CB — one issue is getting someone in who can offer something new.
The other issue is getting someone in who can offer all that and improve what we have got.
At RB — we just need some quality who can complement our play on the left.
ML has dimished to a defensive RB and now this is failing.
If we finish January and ourbiggest cash transaction was PL’s bonus then we will have failed big time. You do get the impression that DD / the Irish Raj is now having a laugh with PL’s bonus structure.
And then there is the timing — two seasons worth of money when he has presided over a huge fail. Not good for club morale on any level.
Phil saying Brendan after 2 players from same EPL club.
https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2019/01/06/why-sevco-are-praying-that-celtic-mess-up-for-a-third-time/#more-12781
Any good guesses?
I’ll go for Wanyam and Jannsen – Spurs
But then again Phil thinks the liquidation lie and res12 would not have happened and/or been sorted if Fergus was still in charge!
MWD
If the supporters at our club,don’t see a Centre Half,a Right Back another Striker, possibly a winger,all bought,no more loanees,if they don’t happen ,and possibly opens the door for Gerrard’s team to stop us from getting 8 in a row,then People like Desmond, Lawell,and even Rodgers,who can spin it , will need to consider there positions.
Hearts played a game at Boghead on the same afternoon as Celtic played Stirling Albion in Stirling . Some Hearts fans spent the afternoon chanting UDA UDA . . How damaging was that to the Scottish identity of Hearts . ?
If… Celtic don’t win the championship this season – and the very act of mentioning it highlights the now tangible risk – then let alone considering their position, Dermot, Peter and Brendan will have to consider their hemisphere.
THE BATTERED BUNNET on 7TH JANUARY 2019 10:35 AM
Be careful, ‘bedwetter’ accusations may be incoming from the usual suspects with that kind of talk on here,
HH
Lawell u gotta do something.sign sumdi,day sumhin,madmitch is 3 posts from using initials,
Help sign sums,dae sumhin
:-)
HH
Window has been open for 6 and a 1/2 days.
We have signed 3 players in that time.
At that rate we will have approximately 15 new players in by the end of the month.
Panic ye not!
C’MON THE CELTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
An Tearmann at 10:49
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Eloquently put. :))
I think its fair to say recruitment in recent times has been a huge letdown, thankfully Brendan has been able to achieve great success largely with players already at the club before he arrived.
You’d have expected better given the following:
*we had CL qualification two years in succession and the finance/prestige that brings
*we have a high profile manager
*we have a reputation for player development – Forster (EPL international at Celtic, now where?), Wanyama, Van Dijk, Dembele.
So the ingredients are all there. We can only hope the root cause of the failings of recent transfer windows have been addressed.
HH
Philbhoy
Can you enlighten me on the other two players we have signed. I know about Burke, this appears on official Celtic site, but no mention of anybody else.
TIMJIM
It was a joke TIMJIM.
Geddit?
CASTAGNE –
Mainstream Italian media quoting an Atalanta Suit —
” We’d prefer to keep him -but -if he wants to go — we want 11 million for him .”
Same outlets claim that Celtic offered 10 million euros for him . The player allegedly said _No Thanks to Scottish football.
Fly a kite / click bait sites .-
Repeat the we want him to stay -but -11 million please and add interest from –
Lazio / Fiorentina / Hoffenheim / Swansea and Celtic.
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Fella I know used to be great friends with a pal of Owen Coyle’s grannys taxi driver.
Anyway this guy ( the pal of taxi driver) knew a fella who used to come in to his local bookies..So the bookies guy was telling the taxi drivers pal that in the scheme in which he grew up there was a big hun family and their name was Lawwell.
There you have it,the smoking gun which proves the Celtic Board is controlled by hun loving tories …..