I was speaking to someone with only a notional interest in football last week who complained about football fans logic on several fronts including the notion of History.
I was asked, “What does it matter if a Rangers Newco playing at Ibrox being supported by the same people have an intangible claim to what happened in the past?
“Their memories remain, they cannot relive the past, what matters most is the future.”
Only a non-football fan could think like this, of course. History is the context for whatever happens today, without it, the game is diminished, but we are now in a fascinating debate. In practical terms, Rangers history could become quite a burden with the next few weeks.
The SPL are currently undertaking an inquiry into alleged illegal registration of players at Rangers during the 13 years before Craig Whyte rescued the club from the old board. Hundreds of football matches could have been played, many trophies ‘won’ with footballers ineligible to play.
If these allegations are proven, games involving ineligible players will be marked as 3-0 defeats. So much for the history, but what about the punishment?
Our friends at STV suggest that the SPL hold the view that the transfer of a league share from a liquidated company to a Newco would inherit historical rights from the liquidated party’s past. For Rangers Newco, this would include penalties for around 500 games played by Rangers FC with invalidly registered footballers.
The tariff of which could sink even the healthiest balance sheet.
But still, if liquidated, Rangers FC, founded around 1872 and incorporated in 1899 would cease. Newco can play wherever they like, it would be a new club. The law would protect it from misdeeds of the old company while any assets, such as the badge design, film archive or historic Arsenal shares could be purchased by any third party, including Newco. And before you bid, owning the badge design does not make you Rangers any more than if you acquired Rangers SPL share.
We’ve been told you can buy and sell history in recent weeks which is clearly nonsense but in finding a path through this subject you need to ask what is in the power of each and any organisation or group to affirm.
The SPL can transfer a share in the league and, in conjunction with the SFA, player registrations. Both can also impose outstanding disciplinary measures.
Duff and Phelps can sell the badge design independent of the league share.
Craig Whyte can sell the stadium independent of all of the above.
No one can sell, buy or transfer 140 years of history, which is why football fans recoil at suggestions of a Newco replacing their team.
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From todays DailyRecord:
Yesterday Ng spoke of unexpected costs which might undermine his bid – while suggesting his group could take their millions elsewhere.
Ng said: “Other creditors have emerged in the days following our bid submission. It has put a new dimension to what is needed to keep the club afloat.
“There will always be another club to go for if Rangers slip out of our hands.”
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The news management continues.
Have to keep the bears nice and calm for fear (literal fear) that they might explode in to a rage……….
Things to do. See ya’ll later.
More likely to be David Taylor (exSFA) than Michel Platini who answered that one.
:o(
Don’t know what happened there – post lost in the aether.
Celticbhoy
Naka was brought in to play this role, but wasn’t physically strong enough for the SPL, hence why Strachan moved him out to RM
Jeromek67
Paddy did play this in the Rennes game – was ok without being brilliant. Perhaps not a fair comparison as it was 4-2-3-1, and required more tracking back. The way Celtic play at the moment allows Commons to concentrate on being a purely attack-minded midfielder. For me, Paddy’s best games have been at LM, but maybe Lenny will give him a chance to play this in one of the last 3 games (although I suspect Ibrahim will be given a run-out ahead of Paddy).
http://www.celticunderground.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=901:the-cheats-charter-the-best-worst-case-scenario&catid=47:season-2011-2012&Itemid=83
Bill Ng’s comments about “new ceditors” emerging is actually dynamite… Is he saying D&P have missed out creditors and are not providing the public and potential buyers with all the relevant information on RFC’s position?
Or have new creditors emerged since the report was published? If so, who are they (presumably they must be significant to cause this multi-millionaire off-the-radar wealth-childhood-RFC fan to reconsider?)
Or is the result of the BTC now known to D&P – as has been hinted on Twitter, and Bill has thought “Hmmm, I wonder won the ECWC in….1973!)
Good morning from a grey Manchester.
Just found this. Maybe backed by the SPL.
THE RANGERS Charity Foundation’s Big Blue Bungee jump is back due to popular demand following the success of last year’s event when dozens of supporters jumped from a bridge 130 feet above the River Garry in the UK’s first ever static bungee jump.
The Foundation has once again secured a special date on Sunday May 27 2012 and preferential rates for our supporters to take part in this amazing adrenalin experience, so if you would like to test your nerve and raise funds for a good cause, contact the Foundation now on 0141 580 8775 to sign up!
Please note you have to be over 14 years of age and weigh under 18 stone to bungee jump and parental consent is required for anyone under the age of 18 years.
Think the safety criteria may thin out the numbers.
OK – might just be me but I found it incredible that we sang a total of 115 songs during last Saturday’s game. Obviously some were sung more than once but even with that we sang 66 different songs!!
Full list coming up…
that’s the problem with the ipod generation they never listen to the one song for more than a few seconds.
Ok, check this out!
First half
1 ~ 0.00 ~ Hail, Hail, The Celts Are Here
2 ~ 0.48 ~ Just Can’t Get Enough
3 ~ 2.05 ~ Toy Town
4 ~ 2.55 ~ This Land Is Our Land
5 ~ 3.42 ~ Glasgow Celtic Champions (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh)
6 ~ 4.33 ~ The Celtic Symphony
7 ~ 5.55 ~ Having A Party (when Rangers die)
8 ~ 6.18 ~ Ooh Aah Samaras
9 ~ 6.51 ~ Ki, Ki, Ki, Ki
10 ~ 7.00 ~ Toy Town
~ 7.08 ~ GOAL!!!!! MULGREW
11 ~ 7.55 ~ Glasgow Celtic Champions (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh)
12 ~ 8.35 ~ Glasgow Celtic Champions (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh)
13 ~ 9.40 ~ We’ve won the league again (fly the flag)
14 ~ 10.30 ~ We’re Only Here For The Party
15 ~ 11.43 ~ Just Can’t Get Enough
16 ~ 12.48 ~ The Lonesome Boatman
17 ~ 13.35 ~ One Neil Lennon
18 ~ 14.04 ~ We’ve won the league again (fly the flag)
19 ~ 14.53 ~ The Huns Are Going Bust
~ 15.58 ~ GOAL!!!!! LOOVENS
20 ~ 16.38 ~ Glasgow Celtic Champions (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh)
21 ~ 16.51 ~ Championees, championees
22 ~ 17.21 ~ Burley, Burley, what’s the score
23 ~ 17.29 ~ Let’s All Do The Huddle
24 ~ 18.14 ~ Craig Burley, you’re a….
25 ~ 18.55 ~ One Stan Petrov
26 ~ 20.08 ~ Ole! Ole!….
27 ~ 20.41 ~ This Land Is Our Land
28 ~ 21.43 ~ Broonie…Broonie
29 ~ 22.17 ~ Doing The Broonie when Rangers die
30 ~ 23.26 ~ Oh the Rangers are sh….
31 ~ 23.48 ~ Hey, oh oh, hey hey, oh oh oh
32 ~ 25.01 ~ In The Heat Of Lisbon
33 ~ 25.38 ~ Super Joe Ledley
34 ~ 26.12 ~ Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey Glasgow Celtic
35 ~ 26.54 ~ Toy Town
36 ~ 27.36 ~ Ki, Ki, Ki, Ki
37 ~ 28.30 ~ Roll Of Honour
38 ~ 30.45 ~ One Neil Lennon
39 ~ 31.30 ~ Over and Over
40 ~ 32.50 ~ The Celtic Symphony
~ 34.01 ~ GOAL!!!!! MULGREW
41 ~ 34.50 ~ Toy Town
42 ~ 36.03 ~ Championees, championees
43 ~ 36.40 ~ Craig Burley, you’re a….
44 ~ 36.55 ~ The Charlie Mulgrew Song
45 ~ 37.13 ~ Oh oh oh oh oh, oh oh oh oh oh… (ray, do, ray, mi, fa…fa, mi, ray, do, ray)
46 ~ 38.19 ~ Broonie…Broonie
47 ~ 38.41 ~ Glasgow Celtic Champions (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh)
48 ~ 38.54 ~ Ole! Ole!….
49 ~ 39.23 ~ Having A Party (when Rangers die)
50 ~ 39.55 ~ Glasgow’s Green & White (for 2min 40secs)
51 ~ 42.49 ~ Glasgow Celtic Champions (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh)
52 ~ 43.10 ~ We’ve won the league again (fly the flag)
53 ~ 43.43 ~ No Huns In Scotland!
54 ~ 44.15 ~ Rangers Till July!
~ 44.37 ~ GOAL!!!!! HOOPER
55 ~ 45.23 ~ We Can See You (sneaking out)
56 ~ 45.50 ~ Toy Town
~ ~ Second half
57 ~ 45.00 ~ You’ll Never Walk Alone
58 ~ 45.35 ~ Craig Burley, you’re a…
59 ~ 46.15 ~ Victor Wanyama Song
60 ~ 46.41 ~ We’re Only Here For The Party
~ 47.05 ~ SUBSTITUTION – Twardzik for Brown: Captain’s armband to Samaras
61 ~ 47.08 ~ Broonie…Broonie
62 ~ 47.38 ~ Doing The Broonie when Rangers die
63 ~ 48.29 ~ Super Joe Ledley
64 ~ 48.52 ~ Fields Of Athenry
65 ~ 49.58 ~ What’s That Coming Over The Hill, Is It The Taxman?
66 ~ 51.13 ~ Bring on the Hearts, the Hibs, the Rangers
67 ~ 51.39 ~ Sebo, Sebo…(directed at Mulgrew!)
68 ~ 51.59 ~ Rangers Till July!
69 ~ 52.35 ~ Ha ha, ha ha (to the tune of ‘The Billy Boys’)
70 ~ 53.01 ~ Sebo, Sebo…(directed at Kelly of Kilmarnock)
71 ~ 53.44 ~ There’s only one Craig Whyte
72 ~ 54.22 ~ Craig Whyte’s Fenian Army
73 ~ 54.48 ~ Craigy Whyte, Craigy Whyte, Craigy Craigy Whyte (to the tune of ‘Give It Up’)
74 ~ 55.56 ~ Toy Town
75 ~ 56.40 ~ One Neil Lennon
76 ~ 57.20 ~ One Alan Thompson
77 ~ 57.52 ~ Johan Mjallby, Johan Mjallby
78 ~ 59.45 ~ Tommy Burns, Tommy Burns, Tommy Burns
79 ~ 60.34 ~ Jimmy Johnstone (on the wing)
80 ~ 61.18 ~ Willy Maley Song
81 ~ 62.12 ~ Willy Maley Song
82 ~ 63.20 ~ Artur Boruc Song
83 ~ 64.20 ~ You Are My Larsson
84 ~ 65.37 ~ Always Look On The Bright Side Of Life
85 ~ 66.30 ~ The Boys Of The Old Brigade
86 ~ 67.40 ~ Ooh Aah Samaras
87 ~ 67.52 ~ Toy Town
~ 68.13 ~ SUBSTITUTION – Stokes for Samaras : Captain’s armband to Mulgrew
88 ~ 68.45 ~ Tony, Tony Stokes Song
89 ~ 69.07 ~ We’ve won the league again (fly the flag)
90 ~ 69.58 ~ Championees, championees
91 ~ 70.31 ~ Passing The Trophy (when Rangers die)
92 ~ 71.55 ~ Stand Up For The Champions
93 ~ 72.09 ~ Doing A Huddle (when Rangers die)
94 ~ 73.10 ~ Doing The Conga (when Rangers die)
95 ~ 74.39 ~ We Shall Not Be Moved
96 ~ 75.23 ~ Championees, championees
~ 75.47 ~ SUBSTITUTION – Blackman for Mulgrew : Captain’s armband to Ledley
97 ~ 76.30 ~ Come On Over To My Place (we’re having a party)
98 ~ 77.31 ~ Glasgow Celtic Champions (oh oh oh oh oh oh oh)
99 ~ 77.55 ~ Super Joe Ledley
100 ~ 78.25 ~ Just Can’t Get Enough
101 ~ 79.00 ~ Ooh Ahh Gary Hooper
102 ~ 79.51 ~ Craig Burley, you’re a….
103 ~ 80.20 ~ Hail, Hail, The Celts Are Here
104 ~ 81.27 ~ Aiden McAnespie
105 ~ 82.50 ~ The Celtic Symphony
106 ~ 84.30 ~ Na, na, na na na na na Celtic (to the tune of ‘Hey Jude’)
107 ~ 84.50 ~ Over and Over
108 ~ 85.13 ~ Jock Stein!
109 ~ 85.41 ~ Championees, championees
110 ~ 86.25 ~ Do, do do do, Nakamura
111 ~ 87.15 ~ Hey, oh oh, hey hey, oh oh oh
~ 87.39 ~ GOAL!!!!! LEDLEY
112 ~ 88.08 ~ Super Joe Ledley
113 ~ 88.43 ~ Toy Town
~ 89.04 ~ GOAL!!!!! HOOPER
114 ~ 89.28 ~ Toy Town
115 ~ 90.20 ~ Ooh Ahh Gary Hooper
~ 92.11 ~ FULL TIME : GLASGOW CELTIC CHAMPIONS!!!
Jobo (morethanjustaweatherreporterCSC)
Think the Samaritans will be needed for that Blue Bungee.
Some effort Jobo!
missed a couple from chadwick……..when trophy being passed…….pass the trophy back, pass the trophy back then pass the trophy doon, pass the trophy doon………pedantic of me I know!
I’m going to have a bet today on a horse running in the 15.40 at Aintree called ‘Herecomesthetruth’
It’s a rank outsider but you never know.
Jobo Baldie on 13 April, 2012 at 09:48 said:
Anorak of the day award to Jobo Baldie.
Great work Mate and what a great array of songs we have!
Hail Hail the Champions are here..
Starry
UP OVER GOAL 0936
Good call on Paddy in the Rennes game,though I don’t think anyone could have stood comparison with Sami’s performance that ight.
On the other hand,Paddy should be played in EVERY game at home.
Bar none!
Nothing in recent history at Celtic Park has got the crowd going like
PADDY McCOURT’S………..FENIAN ARMY!
Well done Jobb.
How many all season do.you think?
What??? You.have a day off don’t you?
I always knew we had the longest songlist. You have just provide it.
On a ‘not so lighter’ note, the new Spiritualized albums decent on first couple of listens…..
Provide = proved
starry plough on 13 April, 2012 at 09:54 said:
“Anorak of the day award to Jobo Baldie.”
Anorak of the day?
Of the day?!
I hope I never get a staff appraisal from you, mate … !
;-)
Jobo Baldie on 13 April, 2012 at 09:48:
That’s brilliant !!!
There must have been a few thirsty Bhoys and Ghirls after that!
Let the people sing.
Oh, and thanks, Jobo.
That’s some list.
… The things we do to avoid doing chores!
FF
Jobo, at the end of a frustrating week where Rangers fans confirmed once more that, collectively, they are without doubt the most moronic and deluded group of fans in football, that post has cheered me up no end!
I thought the fans were absiolutely awesome last weekend. The back catalogue of songs about Larsson and Naka was amazing. I was hoping we’d throw in the old Jorge Cadete song as well! Looking forward to a similar party atmosphere on May 13th!
Craiginho
If we lose to Hearts on Sunday should we be awarded the Cup Final place because our support is bigger, Sky will get more advertising for a Cup Final with us in it and the Scottish Cup Final needs a strong Celtic?
No, because that would be absolutely ridiculous!
Craiginho
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds CSC
Nice to see Maloney do well. It never worked out for him second time round.
I wasn’t one the fans who despised him for leaving for Villa – we all make career choices of our own.
He had injury troubles and don’t think he coped too well with being kicked all over the post.
However, I always felt when fully fit and his confidence was high (this didn’t happen much in his latter Celtic stay), he was as good as nearly anybody as he’s now showing in the EPL.
off to Carnoustie for the weekend.
never been before.
any Celtic friendly watering holes that I can watch the game in ?
I saw this on BBC TEXT and had to laugh,really.
I know,I shouldn’t have.
But the story had a happy ending-if you’ll pardon the pun.
The perversely funny bit is in the first paragraph.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-17694236
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Apologies to anyone I have offended……….
Jobo Baldie on 13 April, 2012 at 09:48 said:
Ok, check this out!
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stunning piece of work mate.
Jobo
Brilliant. Was that before or after hanging out the washing you made the list? And not one single ‘illicit’ song on the list. Well done bhoys.
Jobo
Absolutely tremendous piece of work. However talk about going for the easy option, by listing the songs.
What we all want to know is which songs were sung really really well?
Never mind the quantity we want quality singing !;)
Thanks for the thanks Bhoys and Ghirls
Off out now.
Jobo
Good morning all…
Anybody got any tips for the national tomorrow. I remember somebody posted the stats for past winners a while ago, something like the winners have all been between a certain weight / age etc. Does anybody have this
Cheers in advance
Jobo, well done. Do I get a prize for being the closest? Might quality check your work later :-)
SffS
Jobo Balde
Your good ladies friends must have be very well behaved for you to document with such accuracy.
I bet you enjoyed… didn’t you, didn’t you
Let the people sing indeed.. great effort
Jobo
The Voice want to put an extra chair out if you are free on Saturday nights.
Good morningcqn
googybhoy do you read my posts 22.08 and 23.12 last night a daft Vale Rankers Supporter
Jobo, fantastic. I think gary parker and stevie woods got a shout after johan as well.
Was gerry mcculloch not having his bedroom activities questioned as well?
Sanna
Morning,
Looking forward to Sunday. I hate that hearts mob worse than the bares.
MON THE HOOPS!!!
Jobo
45 ~ 37.13 ~ Oh oh oh oh oh, oh oh oh oh oh… (ray, do, ray, mi, fa…fa, mi, ray, do, ray) .
All those songs and we only get the notes for one. Shoddy work, lhad. Shoddy work.
Petethe beat
I always thought Maloney had nearly everything to be a great player, the one thing missing IMO was heart. If he broke a finger nail he was out for a month, playing through the pain barrier was never an option for him.