I was speaking to someone with only a notional interest in football last week who complained about football fans logic on several fronts including the notion of History.
I was asked, “What does it matter if a Rangers Newco playing at Ibrox being supported by the same people have an intangible claim to what happened in the past?
“Their memories remain, they cannot relive the past, what matters most is the future.”
Only a non-football fan could think like this, of course. History is the context for whatever happens today, without it, the game is diminished, but we are now in a fascinating debate. In practical terms, Rangers history could become quite a burden with the next few weeks.
The SPL are currently undertaking an inquiry into alleged illegal registration of players at Rangers during the 13 years before Craig Whyte rescued the club from the old board. Hundreds of football matches could have been played, many trophies ‘won’ with footballers ineligible to play.
If these allegations are proven, games involving ineligible players will be marked as 3-0 defeats. So much for the history, but what about the punishment?
Our friends at STV suggest that the SPL hold the view that the transfer of a league share from a liquidated company to a Newco would inherit historical rights from the liquidated party’s past. For Rangers Newco, this would include penalties for around 500 games played by Rangers FC with invalidly registered footballers.
The tariff of which could sink even the healthiest balance sheet.
But still, if liquidated, Rangers FC, founded around 1872 and incorporated in 1899 would cease. Newco can play wherever they like, it would be a new club. The law would protect it from misdeeds of the old company while any assets, such as the badge design, film archive or historic Arsenal shares could be purchased by any third party, including Newco. And before you bid, owning the badge design does not make you Rangers any more than if you acquired Rangers SPL share.
We’ve been told you can buy and sell history in recent weeks which is clearly nonsense but in finding a path through this subject you need to ask what is in the power of each and any organisation or group to affirm.
The SPL can transfer a share in the league and, in conjunction with the SFA, player registrations. Both can also impose outstanding disciplinary measures.
Duff and Phelps can sell the badge design independent of the league share.
Craig Whyte can sell the stadium independent of all of the above.
No one can sell, buy or transfer 140 years of history, which is why football fans recoil at suggestions of a Newco replacing their team.
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Paddy G aaaaah you see the light mi amigo….. If we have a get out strategy let’s roll with it.
V
JF earlier, great post.
4 teams at Hampden this Sunday who will be affected by the cheats charter. No better place to start a protest!!
Sorry.. Correction, this weekend!
Vmhan Supporting Lenny! on 12 April, 2012 at 22:02 said:
Paddy G aaaaah you see the light mi amigo….. If we have a get out strategy let’s roll with it.
V
JF earlier, great post.
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V I have great faith in our board and also great confidence in the negotiating power of the SKY SPORT ££££££££££££££
good evening cqn
met an old neighbour today rankers STH,got talking about his favourite team,then he came out with this cracker,he bought his daughter 1000 Rankers share for 800 Pounds two weeks before Administration for her 21st,strugggled not to laugh,looked really down,could be a suicide watch case.
Ian
Yep there could be a few double contracts in that lot below..
However they can take the frigging cup back anytime they feel fit…LOL
Scotland V Japan———- Alexander, Anderson, Gary Caldwell, Murty (McNamee 80), Naysmith (Murray 46), Weir, Fletcher, McCulloch (Lee Miller 70), Severin (Rae 46), Teale (Burke 59), McFadden (Boyd 59).
Ian58 on 12 April, 2012 at 21:58 said:
The 2006 Kirin Cup!!
Patrick27
Samaras POTM
Mulgrew POTY
Hola amigos
Flying down south of the border the other day, the announcement before we landed started…..On behalf of Captain Mulgrew and the rest of the crew………
I just smiled.
El Teuchter
Paddy G
KTF
Malorbhoy on 12 April, 2012 at 21:22 said:
When did you learn how to put 2 words together….?
How are you, my Celtic fanatic friend…… See you at the next home game…..
See this working for a living…… It’s a mug’s game……unless, of course, you can get away with not paying your taxes etc …….
Just finished work, so haven’t fully read back yet …….. Sounds like the bhuns are not happy with the SPL trying to keep them in the SPL …. You couldn’t make it up, honestly ….. They’re a motley crew…
Wonder what their reaction is going to be when they lose their appeal…..!?
One thing’s for sure, their club will NEVER be respected in the football world. I thought that was restricted to their support only, but the club has now caught up with them……
Have ANY of our ruling bodies commented on their failure to produce audited accounts…? (I’ve got a bee in my bonnet about that)
Ha Ha …..SSN have just reported that the bhuns are going to boycott all SPL games…….what a fekin’ BONUS that is …… Can you imagine bhun-free stadia ….. That would be absolutely brilliant ……and will cause consternation in the corridors of power ….what a laugh….!!….BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, SPL…..
Ha Ha … ellis and king criticising Agent Whyte … POT & KETTLE
It just gets better and better
I understand why fans of other clubs are agagainst the proposals that make up the Cheats’ Charter.
But I don’t understand why they can say the same thing would have happened had it been us in the situation of near liquidation.
We were and it didn’t.
An interesting take on ‘reinventing’ history that we need to see avoided at Rangers Newco is what has happened at Middlesbrough. Liquidated and reformed as a new company, the club’s badge heralded Middlesbrough 1986. More recently, they have gone back to the old badge of Middlesbrough 1875 (or thereabouts) and claimed that the liquidation was a minor point in their history and that the heritage of supporters, location and name mean that they are the same club – despite being separate companies. I would hate to see Rangers Newco airbrush history in the same way.
If you know your history – hope they never forget theirs!
Patrick27 on 12 April, 2012 at 21:33 said:
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If not too late I’m going with Samaras for POTM
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Same as Bloke09 – Charlie!
HH
pabloh_AKA_NEIL LENNON on 12 April, 2012 at 16:57 said:
I forgot about that, didn’t the gang of ten vote for Setanta and the Celtic board vote for Sky
James, exactly. If they wanted this sorted all they have to do is look at RDB and TAF flo contracts, not exactly rocket science, but then again these buffoons dont exactly have to many brain cells. The day D&P named these 2 should have been the day these contracts were looked at. Simple.
SffS
Chris McLaughlin @BBCchrismclaug
No announcement on preferred bidder for #Rangers tomorrow. Looks like next week.
Celtic First
Thanks for the feedback, and yes I have nudged a few folk re seeing the bigger picture……The rangerless world would be a huge potential positive gamechanger but they seem locked in a mindset that it would somehow limit their collective ability……
Sadly the media see no gain for them in it as the old firm = copy …..
whitecrook tim on 12 April, 2012 at 22:08 said:
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Really? Haha just logged on and got my first laugh already hahahahaha!
HH
Hello ghuys…..been a while.
A few things :
Celtic are Champions 2011/2012, won fair and square, any tainting has been done by them.
We are on the creditors list to the tune of £40k, what is this for? is it outstanding monies from the 28th December game? If so, has anybody heard what the situation is regarding the game against them on the 29th? Are we demanding money up front?
I would like to think that we will not be passing 1 ticket on to them without being paid for.
In the circumstance, that could be they cant pay for tickets, will we have 8000 spares or will one of our brilliant governing bodies bale them out?
No to newco.
No to Spl proposals.
Yes to bill paying.
Sammi for POTM for me as well.
Excellent lads thanks very much looks like Sammy gets POTM! He was my personal choice as well so well done to the big man!
HH
If it’s not too late,POTM – Sammi.
HH
ontheoneroad on 12 April, 2012 at 22:14 said:
Difference is that we will not let them forget….
POTM
Our Kapitan
POTY
Charlie Maldini Mulgrew
I suppose the only good thing about a newhunco will be the strength of their squad.
Poor as it will be, they will still finish second, the MIB’S will see to that.
So we are back to square 1.
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Patrick27..
I Hope None of the Starting 11 in the LCF Win POTM..
Sammi in a Canter..
Summa
http://www.splsurvey.co.uk/
MWD
Hope this is after the watershed. Was helping a very old man into the ‘Little Sisters of the Poor last week. We will call him John cos that’s his name.
Helping him along with my hand on his right arm as he glided at 0.4 mph past the reception with the very beautiful Filipino receptionist, the bold boy passed comment in a quite loud voice ‘ Paddy, she is gorgeous, want to half me for a Viagra’?
Now I ain’t shy or easily embarrassed but the lady in question broke into a warm friendly smile and I replied, yip John she is indeed beautiful let me get the door for you.
So just as I think we are getting out of ear shot the bold by raises his voice to say ‘ I can only give you half as I am keeping the other half in case I need a pish!’
oldbugger.com
pedrocaravanachio67 on 12 April, 2012 at 22:22 said:
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Agreed! Has to be upfront or COD.
Sorry can’t remember what the £40k was for.
On another point, has anyone approached the agents for all the Rankers(IA) players from the last 20 years and asked them if they had kept a copy of their clients contracts. Shouldn’t be too difficult to dig them out. Oh and while you are at it (agents) did you receive a percentage from these EBT’s and check out the legality of it’s usage. (As you would surely have done in the interest of your client :-))
HH
On the one road, we’d have done it innaw I’d say mate.
If I was a Hun I’d want to take the hit and start again in the lower leagues, I would think the history in intangible.
For me it’s not really an issue as all of this has convinced me that Celtic must find another more honest league to play in.
V
Someone asked earlier and I asked a few times myself over the last few weeks, whens the date for ST renewal?
V
Summa
Haha don’t worry, your man won it ;)
Moonbeams WD. Kano \o/ Neil Celtic FC. We are the Champions. Ignore the WARTS. on 12 April, 2012 at 22:32:
Voted…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Happy birthday to my wee bro Frank if you’re lurkin, he had a ticket for Killie but missed it due to man flu :>(
V
P27
\o/ for me.
MWD
Me innaw MWD thanks.
V
Vmhan Supporting Lenny! on 12 April, 2012 at 22:35:
Not sure, is it not usually May?
Come to think of it, I think thi season’s came out before last one ended.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!