Lots of speculation over the weekend that we’ll see Craig Gordon in goal for Scotland and Fraser Forster in for England tomorrow night. I’m claiming the two of them as ‘ours’. Big Fraser was a great Celtic goalkeeper and professional. He deserves one last curtain call on the pitch that made him.
I see Dick Advocaat completed his work with Serbia in less than half a season after their home defeat by Denmark on Friday and is now available for employment elsewhere. The Serbs have carried some hurt after Denmark made-off with Euro 92, when one of Europe’s great teams were denied their stage by civil war. The Danes were famously on the beach after being eliminated from the qualifying rounds by Yugoslavia before war in the Balkans opened the door for them to compete in, and win the tournament.
The last thing Serbian football fans deserved was to have Advocaat lead them. The Dutchman left us with so many great memories.
Do you have Craig Whyte holed up in a safe house, as the formerly advertised Motherwell-born billionaire remains at large after a warrant was issued for his arrest on Friday? If not, he’s perhaps gone feral and living in an outbuilding.
Check your shed, look behind the bins. It might be an idea to leave some food out for him. He may be disguised, there is no guarantee he’ll be wearing his Celtic scarf and Burton’s apparel, so stay alert.
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Hamiltontim
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Are you denying that I’ll get into the standing section, if the ‘bored’ grow a pair and build it?
Hamiltontim, are you J.P. McMurphy?
Hamiltontim
08:56 on 18 November, 2014
Kev J
Are you denying that Murdo hasn’t said that we’ve missed them?
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Murdo said that he misses the O## F### games coz he enjoyed all the skelpings that he gave them.
So, what about WGS and Neil bigging-up the return of the huns?
Minx, I checked all my bunkers and my carmyllie outhouse for the boogly peepered hun popper and he’s definitely no there. Pity, as I’d have gave him tea and biscuits if he had been. The poor wee soul deserves a break.
ACGR
Are you attending Greenock on Friday ?
HH
ACEILERGONOFRUST
Be careful with the choice of biscuit you offer him.
I hear he’s lost his taste for Orange Clubs…
Kev. Don’t think it’s any plan by the board
Our strategy is all based on PL maximising his bonus
Kev J
Are you denying that Murdo admitted that the game in Scotland misses ‘them’?
Just answer the question.
Ps I was sceptical originally about why the standing section wasn’t being put in place. Anyone I know who’s actually been involved or interested is happy that Celtic have done all they can on this issue.
ACGR
Who he?
Sydney Tim
There are various online articles by Newcastle Fans highlighting Ashley’s financial tactics re Newcastle and they are not best pleased.
Ashley highlights the fact that he has paid £x for the shares in Newcastle, has invested money re players etc and has taken no money out.
All of this is undoubtedly true.
However, what he doesn’t highlight is the fact that in return he has taken control of all advertising in and around the ground and so the advertising income no longer goes to the club but to him and Sports Direct.
Newcastle fans complain that while the stadium is not called the Sports Direct Arena it is effectively a great big billboard for Sports Direct and constantly shows its offers and promotions which of course SD doesn’t pay for.
Further, as there is no advertising allowed in European ties other than for UEFA approved sponsors, Ashley has no interest in gaining entry to UEFA organised competitions as he is not allowed to advertise Sports Direct in the ground or on the telly — and the advertising revenue through the media is pooled in UEFA comps and so he has no interest whatsoever.
Over the years, the investment in players has steadily reduced with the effect that he only reinvests the transfer money actually achieved by the transfers values achieved by the club when selling players out.
The days of Newcastle having star names is long gone and their youth system is practically non existent.
I doubt if he will ride into Ibrox with any great big bag of cash.
he is much more likely to insist that the club there plays within its financial capabilities with minimal investment from him.
There is a core level of shirt sales that he will achieve with no investment at all and right now he has control over certain rights without major spend on his part.
He will not achieve significantly greater spend in his stores by spending large at Ibrox.
Economies of scale dictate everything he does.
He is certainly no sugar daddy and has his business eye on far bigger and better business opportunities.
Board of directors
Position[117] Name
Chairman Ian Bankier
Chief Executive Peter Lawwell
Financial Director Eric J. Riley
Senior independent director Tom Allison
Independent non-executive director Dermot Desmond
Independent non-executive director Ian Livingston
Independent non-executive director Brian Wilson
company secretary Robert Howat
Commercial Director Adrian Filby[118]
Director of International Development Jason Hughes[119]
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Never mind the facts.
P.L.is a one man band.
SydneyTim – Mike Ashley likes making money. The Rangers squad as it stands is operating at a loss of aprroximately £10-12M/ year. If they had sold out on season books it might be just about on break even level but I suspect that it would still be more like £1-2M loss. That might get covered by increased TV, sponsorship etc if they’re in the top tier.
The question is – can a squad of their current quality genuinely compete over a season in the SPL? To improve it involves an initial spend, plus an increase in wages. Then additional input to cover squad turnover.
They’ll be close to owing him £10M if he bankrolls them to season’s end. Then another £10M to improve the squad. Then a season at running at some level of loss (even with a sold out ST allocation) – given that we run at £10M loss with no European football, let’s be generous and allow them to run at £7M loss. So that’s thems owing him £27M before they’ve even kicked a European football. Let’s also remember this is without him actually having bought the club. Just maintaining his current shareholding.
He needs at least two seasons in a row of CL group football to even have a sniff at a profit. That’s if he gets in 1st time. I think that’s extremely unlikely and that’s why I’ve previously suggested that he’ll never see a profit from the “take them to Europe” model until he sees them in the CL group stages for 4-5 years in a row. I seriously doubt that would ever happen.
Why would he do it anyway? People suggest that he’ll get more exposure having a team in the CL. It would certainly add to his exposure if he sticks with Newcastle in the EPL. It would never replace that.
So that’s his choice – the Murray route, big investment in the hope that there a big return or prudent running and skim the few million profit from retail and whatever else he can. I know what my money’s on.
BREAKING
: Ofcom has opened an investigation into how the Premier League sells live UK audio-visual media rights for matches
BRTH @ 08.47
Thanks for that.
HH
ohits ACGR Are you attending Greenock on Friday ?
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I am now after chatting with you bud.
Thanks for sorting me out with the ticket.
HH
Hamiltontim
09:26 on 18 November, 2014
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Provide the evidence that, Murdo says he “misses” them and stop denying that, WGS and Neil are singing the ‘boreds’ tunes.
BRTH
Surely if Mike Ashley wishes to join the UEFA advertising gravy train, there is nothing to stop him doing so, providing he pays the premium?
I am unsure if his SD business is pan European but I assume it would become so.
HT, he’s R P McMurphy’s brother.
Kev J
You’ve admitted in your post at 9:04 that Murdo has said that Scotland misses ‘thems’, that’ll do for me, thanks.
Work time.
SydneyTim
09:21 on 18 November, 2014
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The ‘bored’ are joost a chocolate fire-guard it’s PL who is in charge of the day to day running of the club and as you say – it’s all about his bonus and to efff with the quality of product that the fans pay to see. imho
Hamiltontim
09:37 on 18 November, 2014
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Aye, make sure ye don’t trip over yer clique-puppet-strings on yer way…
I still find it breath-taking the fact that despite giving an estimated 100 million GBP business/club away for just 1 GBP, no-one in the MSM sees any fault with SDM’s actions.
Evidently Craig Whyte is 100% to blame and SDM a naive, nay inept businessman who was taken in by the charms of the Motherwell born billionaire.
Interesting too to see that the MSM don’t see any fault on their own part for having run the fictitious stories about the off the radar wealth of CW.
I look forward to seeing all the main players in this saga fronting up in front of the bench. And I don’t mean the subs bench.
Smoke-screens
puppet-strings
denialists
stinking sewing-bee cliques
aye, ye can keep it.
Bye, bye, bye, bye , bye efffin bye.
adi-dasler@ 21 06 .
” do these fans have a share holding in the clubs ” .
No . Italian clubs tend to be owned by an all powerful ego maniac with money to burn
praecepta-you have mail sir.
Kev_Jungle:
What does it matter that individual employees of Celtic publicly profess a hankering for a return of the hun in drag. They must repeat club policy if they want to remain an employee of Celtic. Have you ever heard a single ‘employee’ – in any capacity – of Celtic PLC categorically and with transparent integrity say, or even hint, that they don’t want the hun back?
Life is governed by rules; Functional and peaceful society is dependent on their existence and enforcement. Just and fair rules are written with the good of society as a collective at heart over and above the demands of spoilt demographics within it, and rightly so.
Often on here you take a lot of stick from posters whose redress to inconvenient truths is aggressive denial and often gutter accusations of “You are Hun”. I don’t know what distresses me most, their inability to accept those ‘inconvenient truths’ or their race to parody that that they purport most contempt for.
Off the top of my head, haven’t got access to notes etc.,
HMRC declined the Hun CVA
The Hun went into almost immediate liquidation.
Team 12 was born and existed for as long as it took for the supporters of the teams that populate the SPL to make known their intentions to chuck the game if Team 12 was paraded as the huns in drag.
(Only one team from the SPL did not vote to keep the hun out – The order in which the SPL teams made known their objections to the inclusion of the hun makes for interesting revisit.
Secret 5 way agreement negotiations are ongoing.
Turnbull Hutton and his merry and very brave men block the hun going into the second tier of Scottish football and instead condemn them to the very bottom. Only one club has the integrity of soul to want the hun condemned to the juniors.
The SFA transfer the tainted licence from old hun club to new hun club. Remember the Spartans.
The rules that govern the game are set aside and the articles of anarchy are drafted to present the 5 way agreement for signing (including the stripping of titles – but for why, the old huns are in liquidation, what do the stripping of titles have to do with the new huns)
Subsequently Charles Green threatens the SFA/SPL etc with court action if they try to strip any titles. The titles that belonged (sic) to the old huns, yet Green was prepared to fight in a court of law that the titles belonged to the new huns and everybody, every authority, every team, every chairman, all of them – for whatever reason – with their inaction and silence illegally gave an enduring legitimacy to the same club claim. Right there, right then, the huns in drag became the huns, the same huns, the very same huns.
Then we had Lord Nimmo Smith and his tea party with Mr. Bryson. We were assured from every quarter that justice would be done. That day was the day the music stopped and with it the pretence that the game in Scotland was anything other than a freak show, a corruption of evil.
And my club, your club, did nothing. Nothing that I know about anyway and I don’t remember where they were in the list of SPL teams that in print, without fear or favour, stated their opposition to the hun.
A very good friend of mine reminds me often of the inconvenient truths that get you into so much bother but no matter how much anybody tries to bleach it from our history they’ll only be courting vain.
And still supporters of our club support the grandest lie of all, Celtic are not doing it for the money, they are doing it with the safety of their supporters and employees foremost in their thoughts.
Tell that to Aiden McGeady.
What does it matter anymore who says they want the huns back, who cares anymore, who ever did?
Scotland v England tonight. This was always one of the big football days when I was very young, mainly I suppose because it was one of the very few live games that were shown. In fact there are probably more games available to watch n full on the average Sunday than there were in the whole season back in the 70s.
I will always remember Kenny’s shot squirming through Ray Clemence’s legs. Didn’t even hit the back of the net, but it certainly crossed the line.
Do you think we, as a team and a support, miss the challenge of competing with another team with similar resources?
I think we do and I think if the pundits and players actually thought for a minute about their response they’d definitely avoid the OF tag and say that we miss the challenge of A Rangers. Not necessarily Rangers.
Zbyszek .
14 plus years in Italy have taught me that Italian authorities like poor explanations .Human error at the bottom of the hierarchy and system failure are very popular .When you tend to have a brass neck you tend not to suffer embarassment.
Attempt to attribute all the bother to DZ Ultras is simply an attempt to label it , wrap it up and sweep it away..
Italian absurdity means that the warm up to the game included TV / radio news programs warning that violence was expected . The news program would then be followed by an advert from the Italian FA offering deals for family tickets etc..
There will be an Official Investigation conducted by the usual old farts who will cream their expenses and eventually conclude that the trouble was all down to some big bad boys who did it and ran away .
Current media line is that UEFA will fine Croatia and order them to play 2 games behind closed doors . Speculation is that Italy will be subjected to two fines -one for allowing the fireworks to enter the stadium and one for failures re the ticket system.
Huns going on about the £1brox scouting system on sevcomedia, apparently it consists of a IT guy called ‘wee Stevie’ watching videos and playing football manager on his PC and reporting back to comical ally haha big club/company mentality HH
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weeminger
09:59 on 18 November, 2014
Don’t miss the Huns but miss the challenge, when Hamilton beat us a few weeks ago nobody got overly worked up about it because in May it won’t matter we’ll be 20,30 or more points ahead of the rest. Can’t moan really because winning isint a bad thing in my book HH
HamiltonTim:
Until and when Celtic start fighting for their – and their supporters – rights, in transparent, public courts of law, I will continue to snigger at their statements, and I’ll reserve scepticism borne of precedence.
Remember Motherwell and how quickly Celtic reacted to remove the rights of how many Celtic Supporters? That was a boot in the baws for me, a really sore one too.
Players want to play in big games. Managers want to manage in big games. Former players want media, lounge work and all the spin offs from big games.
Celtic v Rangers or Zombie Rangers or even the New Zombie Rangers is the biggest game in Scotland.
I think we have to realistic. Some of us have been to many ‘old firm’ derby games. Many have not.
People are going to be excited about this game because they work with Zombies and the banter at work is flying about. We live in a country where probably 50% of the population support 2 football teams. That is not going to change no matter how many times the mob at Ibrokes change their name or clumpany details. What is evident to me is that this is a new club. I think the advert covers it well and let’s everyone know who cares to read it what the bulk of the Celtic support think.
It’s up to Ronny to get the players geared up for the match and ensure that our players win the first one. We should be targetting total dominance of this new club. They may get the odd draw or lucky win but I expect in 10 years time that Celtic have a 90% win rate in this fixture. There is no pedigree in this match up and to be honest from what I have seen of the Zombies we should be able to take at least 3 off them in the first half. Our team must be prepared and ready and champing at the bit. They can claim to be what they want but this is a clean slate and we can dominate this new Glasgow club. I’m sure after a decade of gubbings the usual suspects may just start to trot out a new line. Aye, Celtic have dominated but this is a new club, etc. Please bear in mind that having financial troubles is not an excuse to get pumped. That will be trotted out at the start of February. I don;t remember receiving any sympathy or reading anything in the paper in the 90’s saying yes Rangers won a tense old firm game but Celtic have huge money problems and they have surely been punished enough.
Arguing amongst ourselves about it is pretty pointless. People will look forward to it and will go others won’t. We all want Celtic to win. There is no doubt about that. What others call the game or us is their business. The truth is undeniable. The team at Ibrox were liquidated and this is a new club. It can’t be argued!
LB
hun skelper
10:10 on
18 November, 2014
That’s very much my point. However, no matter how successful any other team in Scotland becomes in terms of cups, maybe even a decent EL run, they’ll never match us.
Which brings me onto another point I’ve made repeatedly. Even if they had collapsed completely and started afresh without trying to attach the ‘history’. A clever person would have spotted the need for their to be an alternative Glasgow team to Celtic. It might have taken 10 years or more but inevitably there would be another big team in Glasgow, and inevitable it would have attracted those that hate us, more than they love their own team. We’d be more or less back to square one.
I wonder what level we’d be at after 10 years without a significant Glasgow rival though?
hun skelper
I am still beelin we lost to Morton last season!!!
LB
livibhoy
10:17 on 18 November, 2014
Correct mate, fed up saying it who cares what they call themselves, we know the truth and so do they HH
livibhoy
10:17 on 18 November, 2014
I was talking about the league mate lol I’m still raging we lost the 70 European cup final HH