Really pleased the Scottish Professional Football League have awarded the League Cup Final to Scotland’s largest football stadium, Celtic Park. We are now hosting the League and Scottish Cup finals, as well as the head of Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs, at the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games.
So with the Commonwealth and Scottish Cup gigs going to Celtic, why didn’t Newco Rangers get the other final at their 50,000 capacity facility?
Back in the days such certification existed, Ibrox was a Uefa five star venue, whereas Celtic Park was four star, but maintaining those standards takes, well, maintenance, which has not been a priority in some parts. Celtic Park remains highly functional, and safe.
There is also the hazard of planning an event, even six weeks out, at a venue owned (cough) by a company which does not have bank credit facilities and who are broadcasting financial distress signals like some kind of insolvency Batman call.
These perfectly valid reasons are, of course, a mere distraction from the real reason, the Co-op Bank, which controls Glasgow City Council, is also able to manipulate league football in Scotland and decided to award the final to their partner organisation, while cutting their borrowing rate, by way of compensation.
Issue 19 of CQN Magazine is fresh off the press, 104 pages of great stuff from the CQN community. 10 men won the league, Dam Justice, the Celtic Foundation, and Brogan Rogan outs the difficult questions to Pat Nevin about his Cup Final comments.
The graphic below is just a taster, GO HERE to read properly, and for FREE!!
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GoogyBhoy, that is indeed a sad fact.
He can’t openly be a Tim and get work commenting on Scottish football.
I have read it and cant find an apology for his “mistake”.
raspberry-he was looking much better than i expected mate,we can all hope and pray.HH
Good luck to Pat and his convenient earphones
He is one of ‘them’ now.
A much more intellectual bunch in Leith anyway.
You’ll have had your say then Pat?
Fine, now Cheerio
Bad Bing
That’s evidence. Nevin takes a hillingdon from Chelsea.
Castigated our support based on lies.
nor has their been a public retraction.
The rest is manipulation, lies and conjecture.
Pat Nevin.
He is not a journalist.
He is a former footballer who earns a living, on the back of being seen to be more erudite than most footballers, by passing comment on football.
He’s a pundit, a mouth, with an Indie scarf, for hire.
Prestonpans Bhoy, depends who has the table. The person who ordered the table would set the seating plan, I would think. I know I am.
For those ordering single seats, ask WC, BRTH or CeltFish.
BT
Hope all has gone exceptionally well for young Marco today ?
Hail Hail
The mysterious whisperer was a Celtic hating Jambo who was the game’s Outside Broadcast director…
OG, you’re in that sort of business, are those sort of panel discussions scripted?
Googybhoy
beeter players with principles never got millions for playing football. Many still have their principles and honour. ?.
CowieBhoy, good point.
BT, how did things go today for Marco?
Doc he regretted not saying IF
Bad Bing oops, sorry Bada!
Has a ring to it, right enough :-)
Doc
Think you missed the joke :-)
Cowiebhoy
went into surgery at 9.30 am my brother sent me a text at 5.30, he was still in, awaiting update..
They ,I assume are with him now, god love the wee man..
Doc, see above bro..
Well Mr Nevin, as my Nana was want to say…
You lie down with dugs, you get up with fleas.
Just read the interview with Pat Nevin. Good work by the CQN interrogation team. Nevin came across to me as pretty spineless. He has had chances on air (and in other media ) to state his being ‘duped’ and has not taken the opportunity. He really should have said something at the Cup Final but kept schtum. His observation that after the stramash following his comments he has subsequently being denied opportunities with BBC Scotland confirms our opinion of that outfit as having an anti-Celtic agenda.
He is further condemned in my eyes by failing to nail Rob McLean. Pat still works for Chelsea TV among some of the most racist fans in the country and yet leaves Celtic behind because of BOTOB. His inconsistencies indicate someone with a broken moral compass who has sold his soul for a few quid from the taxpayer. Brings to mind the words of a wise Irishman who described the loyalist community in Northern Ireland as being ‘not loyal to the crown, but the half-crown’.
Finally, the CQN interrogators failed to ask one key question: ‘tell me Pat, what would your Da think?’.
Watching Chanel 4
Gay bashing in Russia. Absolutely horrible, but more than bashing. These are human beings that are suffering terribly.
Seems it’s commonplace
Night bhoys.
Will update on wee Marco in the morning when I get any news.
God bless and KTF.
Nevin knows what side his bread is buttered on–simple. Sleekit and dishonourable. An erudite man? You’re joking, of course. He’s on a par with the PUP’s David Ervine, who used to spout big words he didn’t fully understand. There’s a gable-end painting of him in East Belfast with the “Those who don’t learn the lessons of History” quoteattributed to him. Nothing about Santayana or Hegel mind you. No, our Big Davy was a philosopher and intellectual–much the same as Nevin. Odorous wee creep.
weebobbycollins
22:04 on
5 February, 2014
The mysterious whisperer was a Celtic hating Jambo who was the game’s Outside Broadcast director…
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WBC – thanks for clarifying.
deniabhoy in awe of wee oscar’s courage
21:50 on 5 February, 2014
Great tunes on that bus, we still sing them as they say the old ones are the best ones. HH
Prestonpans – as a schoolboy there was no bigotdome visits for me. Think I got there for the first time around 1983 when I went to uni in Edinburgh. Strangely enough, for my first visit the tickets were supplied to me and a friend by Campbell Ogilvie (who he vaguely knew from Tayvialloch). We had tickets for their main stand which we had a decent allocation of and after a fine victory we headed back into town on a Glasgow bus. We had no colours on but as we were rather handsome fellas they soon had the bricks flying at our heads via the windows. Then a load of them came on and sat around us belting out their anthems – had a good few kicks and fists hitting me trying to get off.
On the plus side, we won.
The mate I was with remains Celtic daft, and a Police Inspector to boot.
Nevin rehabilitation……more turd polishing
Btw …someone needs to advise him ..intellectual or not …that saw and seen and did and done are not interchangeable
Prestonpans Bhoys, whoosed over my wee head.
Good Evening.
Many an interesting response to the Nevin interview – although can I point out that there are many more articles and features in the Magazine beyond the PN story though it is obviously a main feature.
However, lets take some of this further– and even the criticism for allowing the man a voice at all.
First of all, I was tempted to make a post this afternoon when this was going up– but refrained. It was to read —THE POINT OF THE PAT NEVIN INTERVIEW — IS NOT PAT NEVIN!
As you know, Winning Captains thought we might be calling a bluff in that PN was saying publicly that he would speak to Celtic fans …. but would never get the chance to.
So– we gave him the chance and it is for each reader to make what they will of what he has said and what we have faithfully reported.
Before even agreeing to the interview, we discussed the fact that many on the blog and elsewhere may well feel that it was a waste of time interviewing Nevin and even that CQN or us as individuals would be pilloried and castigated for publishing any such interview.
Well, that may be the case and if so we will just have to live with that as sometimes when you interview folk and want to hear what they have to say and question it then you have to accept that the readers might just say “that was a waste of time” and ” I don’t agree with you even bothering with someone like that” — and that is fair enough– we all have a choice.
However, for me, this interview raised matters which I find both disturbing and worthy of further examination.
Pat Nevin….. is Pat Nevin…… like him, loathe him or somewhere in between…….. I believe that on the night he answered our questions honestly…. as he saw it…… although you will note that I do say that what he said on that Sunday night is not the same as the impression he has given to a different audience……… and make of that what you will.
What was asked on the blog before was ” did he get to take anything out or censor anything?”– and the answer to that is no— for very good reason– we wanted to ask questions about certain matters– not to be a mouthpiece for Pat Nevin.
Now— what interests me is what is said in the interview and, for me, the questions that beg to be asked as a result of what we learned.
In many respects the point of the interview is not Nevin himself — and you will note that I say while he focuses on what happened to him— that is not the issue for me.
So, here I will pose a few.
1. Someone else has already pointed out that the BBC producer was a Hearts fan — and perhaps hinted that he was a Hearts fan with a known dislike of Celtic– so– Who chose him to be the producer in charge on Cup Final day and, given what happened and all the flak directed at the BBC, is he still a football producer and does he still do live Celtic matches?
2. We already knew that some within the BBC studio challenged the direction given to Rob Mclean as soon as the programme came off air. In other words this broadcast caused internal strife within the BBC and among the BBC personnel.
I found it interesting that Nevin was prepared to nail his colours to the mast when he said ” I know what I heard” — he goes no further than that and makes no accusation. Instead he simply leaves his own comment hanging and points you to the official response from the BBC which states that the command to McLean was based on info that was at least partly incorrect.
Just why would someone who is still on the BBC wish to make that point public?
3. He fudges on the BOTOB — a total fudge. Now I personally have sung many a traditional Irish song ( BOTOB is not one of my personal favourites ) and many have been been more controversial than this song. However, without being able to recite it word for word I know it is not sectarian at all — so why fudge it?
Why would a guy who has for years condemned sectarian stances side step that issue yet go on to say that Celtic should celebrate their Irish heritage? By the way, this notion that Celtic SHOULD celebrate that Irishness is a relatively new thing in the press as far as I am concerned and it is to be welcomed.
Why did Pat side step that? Pressure from somewhere? Previous statements? I genuinely don’t know.
4. He feels he was taken off air and that all the Celtic fans who wrote in said that they wanted him sacked– he repeated that at the Parliament.
Yet that is not what many who complained said— they complained that there was no sectarian singing and asked why was this raised when it was not raised in other cases on other dates — that is different to asking that Nevin be sacked.
So why did Nevin get the impression that they all asked for him to be sacked? Who told him that and what was the consequence — for individual and corporation?
5. Some of the language used in the complaints — Paedo, Paedophile and that kind of thing.
Does that sound like Celtic fans to you Or does it sound like someone else?
Did the BBC take any notice of any complaints of this nature– and if so– why?
Surely, within the BBC they know what section of society is likely to use such language in this context and that begs what credence you give to such complaints?
6. If the background story is to be believed, one BBC producer brought this whole event about by way of a rogue instruction.
Now, that is possible– but is it likely? Do you think BBC Scotland might just have guidelines about when to introduce such topics and about how they should be introduced, when and by whom?
Is it just coincidence that all of this happened a week after the supposed meeting where the very definition of sectarian singing at Football matches was apparently discussed between someone from the BBC and Jack Irvine’s office? Mighty odd coincidence if so.
7. Let’s go back to Nevin in particular. he certainly wasn’t smart enough to deflect the question or the topic when it came to him and he certainly did not caveat his words by preceding them with ” IF there has been such singing” —– yet Mclean throws out a huge hint when he makes it very plain and public that he is relying on the word of others.
As I said in the editorial— did Rob Mclean smell a rat? I am pretty sure I know the answer to that.
But there is more to this.
Read Mclean’s statement again, and then see how he takes the interview to Nevin. PN then says what he says — and in any other context I believe his statement, or intended statement because he does not finish certain sentences, would be ok and fair comment.
However, I am bothered about why you raise the subject at all and then let it die immediately after Nevin says what he says. Surely, if you have raised the topic there has to be more to it then what Pat Nevin has just said? Or was it raised just to get Nevin to say something? Anything?
And then the BBC is inundated with complaints from so called Celtic fans using words like Paedo etc — all based on that one statement of Nevin’s?
Too strange for words for me.
Lastly, for the moment— PN is meant to be, and held up as, smarter than your average footballer and therefore your average football pundit.
Yet there is no doubt that he walked face first into this and said and did the wrong thing– even he admits that.
Now, is that how easy it is?
Is that how easy it is to hijack a known critic of sectarian practices and put him in a position where he is persona non grata because of a sackfull of complaints– supposedly from Celtic fans?
God help so called less intelligent footballers who turn up thinking they are going to talk about fitba!
I like listening to folk talk about Fitba– some are really interesting ( Clarence Seedorf is the best I have heard ) but I am not sure I want to hear them talk about the Palestinian Question or the various embargoes and sanctions that have been approved by the UN on various countries — at least not in the half time chat.
During the Willie Wallace book period I got to talk to Tom English who was able to tell me what he was not allowed to print or discuss as a result of his meeting with Craig Whyte ( basically in interview English accused him of being a bare faced liar ) — but the legals would not allow him to refer to that — he has now left the Scotsman so who cares what they say.
I was interested in where Nevin backed up the official BBC line and where he departed from it. He at no time backed it up, and in certain key areas he departed from it.
What do you make of there being all those cameras and mikes at Hampden which did not pick up BOTOB being sung with add ons?
What would you do if an employee came in and made a complaint against someone which you would expect to be backed up by sophisticated recording equipment only to find that the action complained of didn’t appear to be there at all?
Personally, I think it was a worthwhile interview ( it took an entire Sunday night where I could have been doing with getting on with other things ) and we knew at the start that it would not be everyone’s cup of tea and that many would disagree with it entirely.
And that is the thing– it is dead easy to ask nicey nicey folk nicey nicey questions but that would be boring.
Oh– and for the avoidance of doubt — If I am ever offered the chance to interview Le Petit Merde I would grab it with both hands as I would want to know his reaction to being regarded as a treacherous little shit and I would want to know how he felt about those many fans who said that they would never be back at that club because of his alleged religion and how he felt about that particular policy.
There are loads of people I fancy throwing awkward questions at given the chance — some wear a Celtic blazer, others an SFA blazer, and others are in the press and hold other positions.
The other thing is before the interview we asked the blog what they wanted asked — what we can’t guarantee is that we will all like the answers given.
billy bhoy 05
22:11 on 5 February, 2014
It’s illegal to be gay in Russia unbelievably. The place is a shithole stuck in the dark ages a bit like ibrox ( the stadium not the place ) and the Huns
Comedy own goal in the Barcelona game.
Doc is Neil Lennon,
Not surprisingly, the host has been briefed before hand how to steer it and gets advice as he goes along, depending on what the talking head/s has to say. I don’t buy the Nevin earning a crust bit. I think it is a matter of his temperament and a sense of his self-importance that stems from seeing himself as independently minded.
This allows him to hear, even second hand, ‘offensive’ Celtic songs and miss the 90 minute choir-of-hate elsewhere.
He’s summed up by that laughable penalty miss at Chelsea.
Why do it? Because he has to, for his sense of himself, his difference
If you take Nevin at face value and I ain’t sure I do , it highlights that BBC employees ( no surprises here ) have an anti Celtic agenda.
For a supposed intelligent man he was surely easily duped.
Where was his criticism of the BBC employee?
Where was his apology?
Did McLean smell a rat , cover himself and let Nevin unleash having set him up?
If I were Nevin I would have been raging , but I ain’t Nevin and I know our support ain’t sectarian.
Mind the apology Pat.
Just read the PN interview.
Haven’t scrolled back so no sense of the reaction on here but I think he comes across as a guy who feels stitched up by the BBC but cant afford , in different senses, to come out and say so.
I suspect the whole media world is more incestous than it appears and biting the hand that feeds you , no matter how justified, is professional suicide.
He definitely took the bait on the day – he probably saw it as a chance to reinforce his public persona as a PC kinda guy and that has backfired big time.
He clearly ought to have been more circumspect at the time and it was incredibly naive of him , when it was clear to him then (as it is to us all now) that no-one in the studio heard anything, to make the comments he did without qualification.
None of this would have happened if he had taken a moment to make it clear he had heard nothing , why he had heard nothing and then used the IF word. A guy of his media experience should have known better.
Seems he’s paid a heavy price for that and , professionally , rightly so probably.
Nothing can justify the level of abuse he and his family seem to have suffered.
My overall feeling , bizarrely , is that I actually feel a bit sorry for the guy.
He comes across as a guy whose heart is in the right place but who has been hung out to dry by operators who saw him coming and played him like a cheap fiddle.
Hard hat on.
BRTH, I emailed WC with a view to asking PL for an interview.
Haven’t had time to ask the question yet, if he says yes I’ll let you know.
I will ask, but when I get a couple of quite days.
OG, thanks, fair points too, we all agree with ourselves.
Most of the time.
With regards to pn I was shocked when I heard him come out with such a statement re our support. He obviously has no principles and how much can he be bought for? Any credibility as a footballer and journalist has vanished imo. Couldnt believe that RTE gave him airtime!!!! Enjoy your soup pat ….
Having read the Nevin article I can accept that he was stiched up on the day but he has had since 2011 to get his explanation, and his apology, into the public domain. So sorry, but for me this is too little, too late.
I would be interested to know what his Celtic supporting family made of it.
I’m drawing a parallel with Roy Keane who recently admitted that not playing in the World Cup was the biggest regret of his career and that his family were really disappointed with what he did.
Still, at least Pat will get less grief from the sevcovians these days. He might even get asked for an autograph now!
Hun skelper
Didn’t know it and now they are beating up children. Absolutely horrible. Need to boycott Winter games