News that Hull City had a £6m bid for Robert Snodgrass accepted took the wind out of my sails this morning. Snodgrass was one of the outstanding performers for clubs in the bottom half of the English Premier League last season, so it’s easy to understand his ticket price, despite only having a year left on his Norwich City contract.
He is a Celtic fan and has not hidden his desire to play for the club, but Hull City (good grief) are now bidding £6m for players from relegated clubs, after spending £8m on a Spurs squad filler.
This all begs the question, can we afford to compete with Hull City? Probably, yes, but we can no more afford to splurge £14m on a couple of players than Hull, who a year ago were reporting debts close to £80m.
We’re operating in an environment where indirect competitors for players are spending unsustainable amounts of money, pretty much like Rangers did for 20 years under Sir David Murray. For a few years after Fergus left, we played the same game as Rangers, running up millions of pounds of losses year after year, before pulling away from the edge, while they kept the pedal to the metal and careered into liquidation.
The decision not to match the Bank of Scotland money flowing into Rangers cost us trophies, and caused a great deal of dispute in the Celtic family, but story ended sweetly. So, so, sweetly.
The crash may never hit England, but the job for Celtic is to find a way of remaining competitive in the Champions League while matching income to expenditure.
Visit the CQN Bookstore to get Tommy Gemmell to sign your personal copy of his book, All the Best.
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traditionalist88
15:49 on
27 June, 2014
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
15:29 on
27 June, 2014
traditionalist88
15:23 on
27 June, 2014
Hamiltontim
15:19 on
27 June, 2014
Macjay
You never answered my question mate regarding the definition of your personal support.
When you post ‘I support Celtic’ what exactly do you mean?
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Pointless exercise, tried it before. Its easy to put down others without offering alternative solutions to problems not affecting you when you’re lying on a beach and there isn’t much coming out your own pocket, isn’t it macjay?
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So why indulge in pointless exercises?
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I didn’t ask you that again, I made another observation, which you chose to ignore. I wonder why.
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Well,traditionalist 88,I feel it`s good policy to ignore trivia.
Perhaps that`s where we differ.
Gordon j
Remember it like yesterday. Hope Ive got the other one right but I’m pretty certain
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
SO thi sdebate all revolves around me saying Celtic were stupid for not offering him a contract? That makes me a hun? Struggling to get your logic there mate.
Calling them stupid doesnt mean im attacking the board or Celtic im expressing an opionion on a decision they made which i believe to be stupid! seems fairly straight forward!
I say well done to the Beatty family for rejecting the opportunity to run away and join FIFA’s circus, instead putting their own holiday first.
Hope they get the sun, laughs, privacy and memories we all would want to take home from a summer break.
Bada Bing
Ive not researched this mate, just thought I’d throw out a question. Would that have been for Clyde ? It’s not the other one I was thinking of
Macjay
I’ll repost this in case you missed it.
Macjay
So your definition of a supporter is someone who doesn’t question things they believe the club do wrong?
Is that correct?
So by definition you consider yourself a better supporter?
Any tee-times for the golf day yet?
Badabing
Old Pultney 12 y.o now that is a nice dram
HH
twentyfirstofmaynineteenseventynine
I knew JH,guesses from then on mate, Donald Ford?
DD / PL / the ‘bored’ urny Celtic. Right?
March 1992 – before yet another Celtic AGM
a ‘rebel’ shareholder said – “No matter what the outcome is, after tonight’s EGM one thing must be remembered and that is that – ‘You’ are Celtic. Not the Kellys, the Whites or the Grants or Dave Smith who, came from nowhere and will go back to nowhere. It’s ‘Your’ club and don’t ‘you’ EVER forget that.”
Brian Dempsey and Matt McGlone won the hearts and minds of the Celtic support to, enable the ‘rebels’ to drag Celtic into the new world.
How long did the ‘rebels’ last when McCann took control?
Where are all the ‘rebels’ now?
Every ‘rebel’ needs a tyrant though, not from within. imho
ger57
Nevertheless, there is a relation between the number of caps they got relative to each other.
The bigger players (Johnstone, McNeill, Murdoch, Gemmell and Lennox) got more caps than our so-called journeymen (Clark, Craig, Auld, Chalmers).
I am well aware of the reasons why Celts did not earn more caps (and SFA prejudice was only one factor).
Nonetheless, my simple point stands- We were palpably poorer, in European Standards, when Kev was attending regularly in the 80s and 90s, than we have been since the millennium. We now have 18 to 20 full internationalists, not just from the Scotland team but from a variety of teams of similar standing (Israel, Wales, Kenya, Norway).
It does not stand up to any scrutiny, to assert that we are downsizing to a poor level, unbecoming of Celtic.
The truth is we have been achieving great things for 14 years and we will find it hard to sustain our achievements unless we get a fairer playing environment.
It has not a lot to do with Board mismanagement
It has not a lot to do with managerial incompetence
It has not a lot to do with bad transfer policy
It has not a lot to do with Balance sheet worship.
It does have a lot to do with having to play in an environment where we are given less “free” money than 100 other European clubs, most of whom have a fraction of our support size.
It does have a lot to do with being restricted to practising competitive football against teams who can only afford to employ players from Div. Two and non-league in England to supplement their Scottish journeymen.
I will continue to enjoy these recent good times because I fear worse is to come if we do not get a move.
jamesgang
15:26 on 27 June, 2014.
HaHa, have you arrived at your holiday destination yet?
Have a great time mate. HH
Kevjungle
You talk what you accuse Peter Grant of being.
!!Bada Bing!!
15:53 on
27 June, 2014
macjay1-have Celtic ever done something you have ever disagreed with ? Which could be classed as stupid,ill-conceived etc.Serious question.
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Pal
Celtic are my people.
If I ever felt that way,I`d keep it in-house.
I wouldn`t want to be giving the hun ammunition to use against me and mine because the huns will use it.
Viz.The Record today.
Let me remind you.
Samaras is no longer a Celtic player and Celtic are stupid.
I object to that.
You can please yourself.
Bada Bing
Same team, and Double winning season 77
Hamiltontim
16:02 on
27 June, 2014
You do questions.
You don`t do answers.
JaseBhoy
15:59 on
27 June, 2014
I didn`t call you a hun.
Scroll back and admit your error.
setting free the bears supports Res. 12 & Oscar Knox
16:08 on 27 June, 2014
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Where do you think we’ll get a move to?
Aiden Bhoy
16:10 on 27 June, 2014
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Made you look, eh?
The Maggie McGill’s Celtic philosophy seems to be spot on: Good turnover – Last 16 of CL (if lucky) – EPL fodder – See whit the Huns are daen’.
Buenas noches.
macjay1 for neil lennon
16:11 on 27 June, 2014
Hamiltontim
16:02 on
27 June, 2014
You do questions.
You don`t do answers.
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You haven’t asked me anything.
Now will you please answer my question as this is becoming tedious.
macjay
scrolling back it seems like he made a bit of a flippant remark regarding Celtic being “stupid”
, surely doesn’t bring his credentials as a supporter into question ?
Kev J
My last reply to you today:-
You sir, misunderstood / failed to accept the opinion that I hold which defines Peter Grant as a p#sh Celtic player.
No. Your point was accepted but I disagreed with it. Your “right” to see PG as a pish player was never once called into question. Your use of it as a hook to justify modern downsizing was, however.
You then engaged in – whataboutery – with 11 other Celtic midfield players, offered as some sort of improved fare over PG. Right?
You have learned the word “whataboutery” but you are mis-applying it. My use of the other modern day midfielders was germane, the opposite of irrelevant whataboutery, as they were used to show that we have bad and good players in all eras and we are no worse off, in fact I’d say better off, now than in the era when you chose to attend and support
The 11 other players are not included in my point. Right?
Correct! Well Done! they were, however, included in my point. See answer above
You then go off at tangents as an attempt at finding out, or rather, twisting to suit ‘your’ version of why I don’t go to CP anymore. Right?
And you were invited to correct me on what I had got wrong about your reasons but, again, in a response stating that i was wrong in presenting my views, you omit to give an alternative correct version of where I went wrong
All of that, cos I said Peter Grant was p#sh. Right?
No, that kind of nonsense neither interests or upsets me. You may be mistaking me for a Daily Record reader
It seems…your the guy with the beef. Right?
Once you use the word “seems”, you can depict any fantasy you like and it will be right in your head. I am not sure that I would want to be “right”, in your head
Aff oot to speak some sense with my elderly mam.
twentyfirstofmaynineteenseventynine…
Just saw your question there, Willie Gibson of Hearts scored three against us in our 4-3 win at Tynecastle (1976).
twentyfirstofmaynineteenseventynine
16:19 on
27 June, 2014
macjay
scrolling back it seems like he made a bit of a flippant remark regarding Celtic being “stupid”
, surely doesn’t bring his credentials as a supporter into question ?
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Correct.
Not for one minute did I suggest that.
Others attempted to muddy the waters.
I did suggest that calling Celtic “stupid” was something I would expect from a hun.
You call that flippant.
I don`t.
thats the one Gordon, 3-1 down and Glavin with the winner for 4-3, KD at his best that day. Ive bored my weans with that game too many times
happydayscsc
Brian Duffy has resigned from Celtic Board, to take over as CEO of Mappin & Webb.
What are the possible outcomes from this?
HH
End London rule. YES
traditionalist88
14:06 on
27 June, 2014
Coolmore Mafia
I’ve often wondered what will be the straw that breaks the camels back for Scottish football supporters. We have many clubs with a large core support but seemingly our football is only worth a tiny fraction of what it is a few hundred miles down the road.
The EPL is filled largely by regional clubs and you can survive comfortably with a crowd of 20k, never really doing anything but being cannon fodder for the few bigger clubs.
If things are to change for the better for Scottish football, and I think they will, fan power will again play a large part.
Its happening already imo, albeit slowly.
HH
Yes, fan power is the only thing that could fix the ole wagon but, it wont! The fans of Scottish, Northern Irish & Welsh football should show a determination to prevent EPL & the Spanish Premirea Ligue clubs sucking up all their hard cash, so cancel your Sky, Virgin Media & BT subscriptions now. Why doesn’t our clubs deserve the same cash injections as those in England & Spain – after all, our money has the same value as theirs, doesn’t it?
With a combined population of 11 – 12 million I think we deserve a better deal. A deal which we will never get unless we are united to fight for it.
Hamiltontim
16:19 on
27 June, 2014
“tedious”?
Who forced you to “contribute”?
macjay
in fairness, I’ve heard worse, and so no doubt have you.
Anyway, I think Gordon’s a better supporter than the two of you as he remembered Willie Gibson lol
HH
Hamiltontim, Why do you bother with that clown.
an tearmann
15:51 on 27 June, 2014
FourGreenFields
14:02 on
27 June, 2014
bundoran bhoy
Podium chaser :-))))))
i noted a wee hat trick earlier in the week lol :-)
hope your well mate
HH
Sorry for late reply mate , I’m fine .
Hope you are well ?
Just like winding my wee brother up
:-)))
JaseBhoy, absolutely nothing wrong with your comment re sammi, nothing at all.
Macjay would argue with his shadow over the colour of shite.
macjay1 for neil lennon
16:29 on 27 June, 2014
Hamiltontim
16:19 on
27 June, 2014
“tedious”?
Who forced you to “contribute”?
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It’s a blog mate, if people didn’t ‘contribute’ it would kinda defeat the purpose.
No point in continuing if you’re not prepared to answer.
Enjoy your night.
setting free the bears supports Res. 12 & Oscar Knox
16:22 on 27 June, 2014
Kev J
My last reply to you today:-
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Aff oot to speak some sense with my elderly mam.
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The best thing you’ve said all day :)))
Just be thankful you’ve still got one fella – CSC
Off oot as well.
Corkcelt
Point taken.
However, I took exception to his ‘suggestion’ that Jasebhoy was on a different side because he happened to question the sense in selling Sammi.
Jeezo this would give the dry boak just lurking. Somebody mentioned the word tedious earlier some of the exchanges have been “uber” tedious of late. Come on ghuys lighten up. Hail Hail Hebcelt