You’re victim of a costly refereeing failure, what do you do? Celtic wrote to the SFA for clarification. There was no demand for censure of the officials or a ban for the Inverness player.
In 2011, when the SFA were victim of a costly refereeing error against Czech Republic, Association president, Campbell Ogilvie, took it upon himself to write to Uefa demanding the referee who failed to correctly interpret a penalty incident, be marked down, and that the player who dived is excluded from the remainder of the competition. The Daily Record glowingly reported the actions here.
The SFA set a precedent: after being hard done by, demand action against the referee. Don’t just let supervisory processes take their course. This is the standard set by Campbell Ogilvie.
“An SFA spokesman” also made it his business to brief a grateful media on the actions of Mr Ogilvie. This was a coordinated campaign by the SFA against a match official, as well as an attempt to circumvent process.
Is this fair enough? Well, I don’t remember an outcry at the time. A referee made a bad mistake in an important game. Standards should have been higher. The SFA would have been within their rights to say so, although they had no business trying to influence referee supervisory processes. If only we had a competent administrator who would realise this.
Celtic are within their rights to say standards should be higher now and instead of trying to mislead by suggesting no one in the ground was convinced Celtic should have had a penalty, the SFA should acknowledge that standards can and must improve.
Saying that would shut Celtic up and give them nothing to MORE complain about. Instead of being concerned by the actions of SFA referee chief Fleming.
What you will note is the utter contempt shown for your club by many for writing a letter asking for clarification, even from those who lauded Campbell Ogilvie for demanding a referee is demoted. Celtic are the last superpower standing after the Long Cold War, but we’ll always be the enemy to some. We may well win the next 30 league titles, but as long as Campbell ‘What school did you go to?’ Ogilvie is in charge at Hampden, you’ll know what we’re up against.
Great three points last night. Particularly delighted for Gary Mackay-Steven. He, and Stuart Armstrong, are still finding their feet at Celtic. It will be next season before we see the best of them (think Stefan Johansen circa April 2014), but the early signs are encouraging.
Big Virgil had a better record from free kicks than we had from penalties a couple of seasons ago!
Thanks to everyone who registered for the Foundation’s Ben Nevis climb yesterday, trying to get as many confirmed before tomorrow as possible. It’s on 13 June. Last year participants raised £45k, which fed the hungry, sheltered the homeless and aided others in need. Sign up here.
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the fact that they used the term “honest mistake” tells us all we need to know here.
WeefratheTim
20:10 on
23 April, 2015
definitely not you as you cannot:
“…encourage some corporate money to stop feeding the machine”.
:-)
Only neganon2 (that reminds me of one of life’s great questions: ‘what happened to neganon1?’) could “encourage some corporate money to stop feeding the machine”.
Jamesgang
Lol, hell and high water would not stop me from renewing, ok, maybe hell, if I pop it. Lol. See you and jnr soon my fhriend. KTF.
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
TET
That’s the great pity….Celtic fans cant agree about anything.
A collective campaign with a bit of solidarity, would very quickly cleanse the sfa.
They get away with cheating, because we allow them to.
HH
The green man @ 20:20,
Well I totally agree, the point that I tried to make was regarding the “deliberate” hand ball.
But you’re right, why get involved in nuanced argument when the cheating is as plain as the nose on our face.
Hail Hail
BT
Seen this on twitter:)))
https://twitter.com/dkirwan68/status/591242730367508480
good night all
from your
UNbowed UNbroken UNrepentant proud Tim friend
SJ: “It’s not my business who is playing in the (Scottish Cup) final. They will deal with that.”
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Well said, Stefan.
Leftclicktic – appreciate those posts – cheers.
paisley bhoy
Cheers for that. :-)) I stopped getting sucked in to Negs posts over a year ago. It was actually nice tonight he didn’t attack me. I can maybe live with his posts now, well, he is a tim, ain’t he??? Lol.
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
Cheers leftie
I’ll save that one
Hope your wee mum is on the mend
As this three ring circus (SFA/CO/Referees Body) rumbles/staggers along – can anyone throw light on the Referee’s Report?
Do the Club get a copy? If so – why have they not published the content? Is it deemed ‘sub judice’ if it contains anything contentious or something that might result in disciplinary punishment (and appeal)?
Exactly what content has McLean logged; the minutes leading up to half-time, the subsequent reaction and furore as the players were leaving the field? What was logged at the end of ET – including the reasons that led to VvD’s yellow?
Time for F.O.I.
Mr stimpson @ 20:23,
Who used “honest mistake”?
Genuine question.
Hail Hail
excathedra44
Seen it here (i know I know) :)))
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32402364
excathedra44
20:21 on
23 April, 2015
No.
These are the current suspensions.
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/Disciplinary/CurrentSuspensions/Season2014/15/PlayerSuspensions/LOS40%20(23%20APR)%20CW.pdf
Excathedra44
It’s got all the hallmarks of Dougie Dougie again
chairbhoy, it’s in quotations on the bbc website.
We need to stop being victims, and fight back.
We as a support have incredible collective power, im amazed we don’t use it.
Im sure we will all argue about the finer points, but ultimately, its blatant cheating.
We could put a stop to it, if we really wanted to.
It is totally pointless going to watch rigged football, are we expected to condone it by paying thousands of pounds for season books….er, not me.
I think its too late for that.
Its got to stop.
HH
The exiled Tim
I wish we could unite against the guys who hate us but if you put 4 Celtic supporters in a room and asked for their opinions you would probably get 5 responses.
Other recycled old jokes are available, remember your blood pressure can go up as well as down when following Celti.
….PFayr supports WeeOscar
As the panel gathered to make their decision, Inverness manager John Hughes was critical of the SFA for bringing a case of hand ball to the judicial panel for the first time.
“I think the whole of Scottish football, or British football, know there is a real injustice here,” he said.
“First and foremost, he shouldn’t be up there in the first place.
“I am a little bit embarrassed. Scottish football is getting dragged through the mud a little bit and ***I think there’s a little more to it than we’re seeing. ***
“You can open up a whole can of worms and, even if it goes in our favour, I don’t think we have heard the end of this.”
BT
Thank you
Yes she is on the mend for now.
Good night all
excathedra44 @ 20:21,
“What report? this is a new twist,had there been a report then the CO would not be involved.When the CO actioned this I dont think there was a report,now there is this is a joke,so they are saying they seen it but not as an offence…………Joke.”
Thought that was interesting also.
The way it’s written suggests the Referees “match report”.
It could equally be a later report requested by the CO.
Mr stimpson @ 20:35,
“……it’s in quotations on the bbc website.
Yes that’s what I thought it came from.
Those are the BBC’s words – I took it as a GIRFUY, how did you see it?
Hail Hail
TGM
Aye, tis a problem, just imagine the clout we would have if we were together, the sfa wouldn’t know where to turn.
I have always said, sort the referees sort the problem, this should be the No. 1 priority, accountable referees, transparancy, promotion and demotion for them, make them justify their decisions, it happens all over the world, they know that the referees are their trump card, if we had had a level playing field……….we would be so far out of site we wouldn’t be playing in sectarianland I believe.
HH
I’m just pig sick.
We are being taken for mugs.
Yet again , we are wronged and we are the only ones punished.
Shades of shame game.
Enough is enough.
We need to roll out the tanks.
Let’s not roll over and take it any more.
Celtic must get stuck right into the SFA.
A fight to the death.
It’s us or them
Last one (Honest)
Would you trust anything this MIB put in his report and take it as honest, neutral and UNbiased
Utter contempt shown all over McLean’s face to Celtic player. http://t.co/h5idbljise
Owen
Ha, you are assuming that only one has a split personality :-)
What to do, at least this has in the main brought some of us together, now the real problems start, what next ?
We have to follow this through, I have little faith that the suits will, so we have to force them, and not just our suits, and the only thing they understand is money, or the lack of it, the green pound is all powerful, this has to be the weapon.
HH
When you think about it, fans of deadclub never talk about being cheated, nor were they ever called paranoid. In fact they can only ever dredge up the 77 handball or the 89 throw in.
Nothing to do with them being magnanimous or good sports etc, but totally down to the fact that have been the major beneficiary of honest mistakes over the decades, and they know it.
Tony Mowbray must have been on the receiving end of more rank bad decisions than the huns were in 20 years up till they croaked.
TET,
The SFA, SPFL, Sevco conspiracy,
All in it together. Only hope that Celtic aren’t in there too.
I have watched the match back a couple of times.We didn’t play well but…
Celtic were robbed.
Clogher
Fiorentina..
At Last…
TET
We could quite easily change the face of Scottish football with a bit of peaceful collective action.
If we leave it up to businessmen, we will get nowhere, the Celtic board are on their own journey.
Only the Celtic supporters can change it.
Boldness, again Boldness, always Boldness:)
HH
Right, offski, things to do. Night all.
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
The exiled Tim
We do what we have always done, beat them on the park most times. They win the odd battle but we always win the war.
As for the suits, I don’t always see them as the baddies. Sometimes when they say “we tried…. ” I am prepared to believe them. Do we have a “Fergus” prepared to fight every step of the way on this? I don’t know but then again he was a one off.
leftclicktic
20:31 on
23 April, 2015
excathedra44
Seen it here (i know I know) :)))
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32402364
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Thanks, I was not questioning you as such ,I was out all day and a bit down level then I was astonished when I read your comment re report as it contradicts the CO involvement.
Celtic need to continue to analyse this,we have been cheated yet all those doing the cheating are home free,what about 30K people @circa £30 per head being made mugs of..
Lots of comment around the penalty that never was the last few days obviously but the PoTY names have now been announced and I am really surprised that Celtic captain Scott Brown is not quoted. Just a personal view but I thought when he has been on form he has been the driving force. 3 players in our team I don’t think we can afford to lose long term aware Brown, Gordon and VVD. Denayer is far and away the YPoTY and the Bhoy has a wonderful future in the game ahead of him. I hope Man City think that another season at Celtic would serve him best.
Stefan Johanssen has had an excellent season and deserves plaudits for his improvement this season but still does not convert enough chances for me. Should have had a first half hat trick when we lost to United at Tannadice a few months ago. He is improving though and if he wins PoTY I will be delighted for him. Nir Bitton may just be our most improved player this season. His style of play means that he must get a run of games and gain confidence. He is a playmaker and a Paul Lambert style player who retains the ball but can also be a threat going forward. Nir needs to add goals to his game. Griffiths and Guidetti have had a strange season between them. Both have had their red hot streaks, both have had issues off the pitch and both have been in and out of the team for periods. Between them they have proved to be able strikers but they haven’t been able to prove consistent in front of goal. Jury is out on the 1 up front. Griffiths has proved at Hibs he can play there and score a bucket load of goals but Guidetti does appear to have that wee bit extra quality.
Chairbhoy
20:14 on 23 April, 2015
‘The Green Man @ 20:00
Whether it is deliberate or not does not change the offence one bit. It is another red herring that’s been stuck in there.’
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I’m not sure how anyone could come to that conclusion.
This is what the FIFA Laws of the Game says:
Law 12
‘Handling the ball
Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with
the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into
consideration:
• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an
infringement
• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)
counts as an infringement
• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an
infringement
Disciplinary sanctions
There are circumstances when a caution for unsporting behaviour is required
when a player deliberately handles the ball, e.g. when a player:
• deliberately handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining possession
• attempts to score a goal by deliberately handling the ball
A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring
opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from
the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable
and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored.’
clogher celt
As MA said in the post above yours…………..
The game itself, no we didn’t play well, but as I said the other night, and I still believe it to be true, our players are not good enough to overcome the cheating, we have to play to a different set of rules to our opposition, this makes things very difficult for us, it level the playing field for the others, hence we find it hard to win trebles, we find it hard to win leagues.
I wonder what Ronny thinks he has taken on, all his good planning goes oot the windy in a flash, cos some hun bigot decides to cheat, how feckin sad is that, and we facilitate it, that is even sadder IMO.
HH
chairbhoy, i took it either as a bbc guy having a laugh or an off the record comment. either way a clear message from one or the other.
paisley bhoy
20:31 on
23 April, 2015
excathedra44
20:21 on
23 April, 2015
No.
These are the current suspensions.
http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/resources/documents/Disciplinary/CurrentSuspensions/Season2014/15/PlayerSuspensions/L
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Thanks, I was not sure,I would not however been surprised as he nullified Brown early.
Post continued….
Dropped ma phone! Hahaha
Right back is still our problem area. Matthews can play there and so can Lustig. When our defence gets settled we lose one or both for a period and poor Efe is thrown in. He is not a full back and I would like to see him in a midfield role or a 3 at the back which would allow our full backs licence to go forward and give us pace and protection at the back. Effectively Efe would play the role Victor played for us.
Izzy is a cracking player and gives his all in the Hoops. He is not great in the air and can be caught out defensively. Play 3 at the back.
We need a new back up keeper. Zaluska has spent too long out of the picture.
No harm to the boy from Dundee but I have no idea how he is in the PoTY short list. Hope VVD wins it. If not Stefan obviously as the other Celtic player but suspect Rooney will win it banging in probably 30 goals by the season end you probably can’t grudge him it either!
LB
hurting currants
….PFayr supports WeeOscar
20:33 on
23 April, 2015
Excathedra44
It’s got all the hallmarks of Dougie Dougie again
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Your right,but we need to keep asking questions as the news today about who seen what,and reports, contradicts Fleming ( Head of Refereeing ) early comments.
Wonder if they are concerned Frank Connor the North Stand Linesman and Sundays Token!! may crumble under strong drink.