You’re victim of a costly refereeing failure, what do you do? Celtic wrote to the SFA for clarification. There was no demand for censure of the officials or a ban for the Inverness player.
In 2011, when the SFA were victim of a costly refereeing error against Czech Republic, Association president, Campbell Ogilvie, took it upon himself to write to Uefa demanding the referee who failed to correctly interpret a penalty incident, be marked down, and that the player who dived is excluded from the remainder of the competition. The Daily Record glowingly reported the actions here.
The SFA set a precedent: after being hard done by, demand action against the referee. Don’t just let supervisory processes take their course. This is the standard set by Campbell Ogilvie.
“An SFA spokesman” also made it his business to brief a grateful media on the actions of Mr Ogilvie. This was a coordinated campaign by the SFA against a match official, as well as an attempt to circumvent process.
Is this fair enough? Well, I don’t remember an outcry at the time. A referee made a bad mistake in an important game. Standards should have been higher. The SFA would have been within their rights to say so, although they had no business trying to influence referee supervisory processes. If only we had a competent administrator who would realise this.
Celtic are within their rights to say standards should be higher now and instead of trying to mislead by suggesting no one in the ground was convinced Celtic should have had a penalty, the SFA should acknowledge that standards can and must improve.
Saying that would shut Celtic up and give them nothing to MORE complain about. Instead of being concerned by the actions of SFA referee chief Fleming.
What you will note is the utter contempt shown for your club by many for writing a letter asking for clarification, even from those who lauded Campbell Ogilvie for demanding a referee is demoted. Celtic are the last superpower standing after the Long Cold War, but we’ll always be the enemy to some. We may well win the next 30 league titles, but as long as Campbell ‘What school did you go to?’ Ogilvie is in charge at Hampden, you’ll know what we’re up against.
Great three points last night. Particularly delighted for Gary Mackay-Steven. He, and Stuart Armstrong, are still finding their feet at Celtic. It will be next season before we see the best of them (think Stefan Johansen circa April 2014), but the early signs are encouraging.
Big Virgil had a better record from free kicks than we had from penalties a couple of seasons ago!
Thanks to everyone who registered for the Foundation’s Ben Nevis climb yesterday, trying to get as many confirmed before tomorrow as possible. It’s on 13 June. Last year participants raised £45k, which fed the hungry, sheltered the homeless and aided others in need. Sign up here.
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Bgx
The new scenario was not included in the match report which is the reason the CO then got involved.
This new version reeks of made up after the fact nonsense.
It was a major incident. Why was it not in the match report.
Leftclicktic change will only happen when celtic as a club take a stand.
To my post earner we have an open goal.
If we don’t take it the consequences for celtic as a club are potentially enormous.
Deep breath………………..
Chairbhoy
Bang on.
They cannt have it both ways
Clinko…Good Question…my guess, by omitting it The ref was Playing it down..just my guess…
Bgx.
Why play it down
neganon2
Thank you for your response, but the only thing that will stop me from renewing my ST is a financial one. As long as I can afford it, I will pay it. I waited too long to be able to afford one, I’m damned if I’m letting the SFA sway me otherwise. They are an obnoxious organisation and the sooner they are put to rest, the better. Cheers buddy.
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
Weefra
Well said.
Jason ,Virgil and Stephan
faced the media today after their YPOTY & POTY nominations ,
Jason Denayer speaking to the media: “I’m very happy to be nominated as there are only 4 nominated.”
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JD: “It’s been a bit more than I expected. Coming from City, I only wanted to play games.”.
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JD: “It’s been a good season for me. I’m going to see about things in the summer, just focused on games.”
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JD: “I don’t know what is going to happen next year.”
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JD on VirgilvDijk “I’m happy he’s nominated and I hope he can win. He has helped me improve and I am happy playing alongside him.”
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JD on stefanjohansen “He has had a very good season. He has scored a lot of goals and won Man of the Match a lot of times.”
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FT HAMILTON 0-2 CELTIC Goals in either half from McCart and Fisher see the youths claim maximum reward to go second in the league.
Clinko….Maybe he knew he’d messed up and by playing it down he was trying to cover his ass…my guess..
Surely the bigot must have written it in his report, did he not mention his sneering at Virgil either???
Prove me wrong Peter and cut off the head of Scottish football
BCW
:-))))
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
If Celtic do have the audio recording saying “Penalty” 5 times from the ref on the line then surely they are just waiting on the sfa to respond then pull the trigger. I also believe it is too big for the club not to do anything about. Next year will be worse.
KLV
A person can be considered a cheat if
Either ..he admits it
Or
After consideration of the facts and circumstances he can be deemed to be so
. VirgilvDijk speaking to the media: “I’m very happy and proud as well.”
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VvD: “Also proud of my team-mates – Jason and Stefan have done well this year – but others as well
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VvD on Jasondenayer “He’s a very good player. He has shown everyone in Scotland how good a player he is and what a talent he is.”
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VvD: “I have improved a lot but that comes with experience, especially in the European games.”
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VvD: “I learned from my mistakes and I feel I have improved a lot. I work hard every day and want to be a better player every day.”
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VvD on Ronny Deila: “He’s a real professional. He wants to get the maximum out of every player.”
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VvD: “A big change in the beginning of the season, but you see the improvement now.”
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Bgx
Correct…playing down his cheating
Kevininlasvegas…Do Celtic Have such a recording?…
Pfayr…Maybe…Yip…Possible…
VvD: I’m not looking too far but you never know what can happen in the future.”
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VvD: “For now, just enjoying it here. Unlucky not to get a treble but happy we have improved from last year and personally as well.”
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VvD: “Want to try get title as soon as possible and enjoy being champions.”
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VvD: “If you get into the #UCL it’s amazing and the club needs to be there.”
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VvD: “We have quality to do better next season and at the beginning of a new season, you never know what can happen.”
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VvD: “I see it in training and games. If everyone is fit &100 per cent we have a very good team and squad to compete in the #UCL
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VvD: “Craig Gordon had an amazing season after a difficult injury and he could be Celtic Player of the Year.”
We lost last Sunday,ffs move on,we need a 30-35 goal a
season striker.
Life no fair,ask those poor souls in the Med.
Away tae watch the telly.
herbo
We’ll discuss just between the two of us on here!
I just got a reply saying that she’ll get back to me with answers to my questions.
Seriously, im sickened by this cheating, what the point of watching football that’s rigged.
The more we accept it, the more they will shaft us.
If none of the officials saw the incident, how the feck can they say it wasn’t deliberate.
It really is a disgrace.
Until something is done about, I will be keeping my money in my pocket.
I just cannot condone that level of cheating by paying to watch it…no way.
Its over.
HH
Nye Bevan
Move on ..
If we do so it will continue to happen …Sunday was the worst example of ref cheating I have ever witnessed …
It’s not sour grapes ..its all about fairness
stefanjohansen now addresses the media: “It’s good and shows you have done something right this season.”
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SJ: “I got a full pre-season under a gaffer I know and played a bit further forward.”
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SJ: “It’s a new team and you need to know how they want to play. It didn’t take me long to get used to Scottish football.”
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SJ: “I’m developing as a player at Celtic right now and we still have a lot of games left this season.”
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SJ: “I’m happy at Celtic and becoming a better player every day and see no reason why I should move.”
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SJ on Ronny Deila: “He’s a good gaffer, cares about the small details and makes you a better player.”
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SJ: “Of course you have family outside the pitch but in football he has been important for me.”
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SJ: “He’s a great manager. Had a tough time in the beginning but now you are seeing good things.
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SJ: “It’s a big difference (playing so many games) so you have to have the small details right to take care of your body.”
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SJ: “For me personally and the rest of the guys, Sunday and Monday was tough. We wanted it (treble) so badly
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SJ: “But good thing about football is you always have another game and hopefully we can win the league.”
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SJ: “Celtic fans always expect a lot & as Celtic player you want to play #UCL but we are getting better – next season will be good.”
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SJ: “It’s not my business who is playing in the (Scottish Cup) final. They will deal with that.”
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SJ on Craig Gordon: “He and Broony have been outstanding this season and they could have both been here.”
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SJ on J guidetti “A top player and if he stays it would be a great signing for us.”
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SJ: “The team wants to win title as early as possible and we will go for that.”
NegAnon2
19:42 on
23 April, 2015
(sic)”Weefratim as for renewing your ST may I suggst you await celtics response to all this nonsense?”
Neighbour, I take it you have never renewed your season ticket after the 2011-12 season since you wrote:
“I wont be back at CP until PL and DD are gone. Will also encourage some corporate money to stop feeding the machine”.
I accept you have the right to have boycotted Celtic Park since then but does that really give you the right to dissuade others?
Now I would understand it coming from a supporter, but not someone who hasn’t been back at Celtic Park since August 2011.
Another thought has just occurred to me. On Monday the referees supervisor came out and said that most people could not have seen the incident without the aid of slow motion replays. The decision today, if reported correctly by the BBC, blows that right out of the water. McLean said he saw it and was told it was not a penalty by another official who also saw it, so who is lying?
iki
19:18 on
23 April, 2015
The officials did not see something that did happen but did see something that did not happen and the panel did not see any reason to do anything official even after one of their other officials did see something and said that justice had to be seen to be done.
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Started thinking something similar earlier, but it got too convoluted for me to follow. We are clearly “down the rabbit hole” now with the SFA – I’ve taken psychedelics that are less disorienting…
Owen
Most if not all of them
paisley bhoy
I presume that wiznae a dig at me. Lol. Well , I hope not. :-))))
Weefra HH praying to Wee Oscar.
Paisley bhoy,
Neg hasn’t been renewing since 2011 but this year he is definitely definitely definitely NOT renewing.
Mibby :)
pfayr
You are not wrong there.
In all of this only Celtic suffer and we are portrayed as the bad guys by the media.
Weefra
Best course of action in conflict is to do what your enemy least wants.
MSM want attendances to fall at CP
So too do SFA, Deidco and bent refs.
So I renewed this afternoon for me and the wee mhan.
Hell skud intae the hun bassas!
HH jamesgang
Thought i’d give you a laugh.
Clogher.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=tommy+tiernan%2c+sat+nav&FORM=VIRE1#view=detail&mid=7BB5CE220C08898B85B07BB5CE220C08898B85B0
The Green Man @ 20:00
Whether it is deliberate or not does not change the offence one bit. It is another red herring that’s been stuck in there.
Jim Boyce describes the handball rule…
“He added: “It doesn’t help us if someone gets banned. I don’t think that’s right. I don’t think he did it on purpose, the ball was going very quickly. It was reaction, but it was a clear handball, a red card and a penalty.”
JB states he didn’t think Josh Meekings did it deliberately but he correctly states – “it was a clear handball, a red card and a penalty.”
Whether there was intent or not it makes NO difference in Footballing terms.
Hail Hail
How Fiorentina aint in front god knows…playing Well..
Chairbhoy
There is no way in this world, that none of those officials saw the handball.
Its blatant cheating by the officials.
Cheating and lies.
I wont pay to watch that.
Its pointless.
HH
NegAnon2 @17.17.
An excellent post : Although I do not agree in entirety you put a powerful coherent viewpoint.
RWE @ A very good counter argument : Although again I disagree on certain aspects. I am currently working with supporters of many teams in the UK and although they unanimously agree it was a penalty they class us as “whingers” They point to many blunders by officials and state that is what happens in football. It all evens out they say.
Put simply, they do not know our history, but I maintain my view that the letter was the wrong time. We should take them on when we are winning, not only when we have just been beaten.
HH from Mr Greenhingingdonkeyfullofsweeties :-) You have sussed me out.
leftclicktic
18:33 on
23 April, 2015
In his report, referee Steven McLean explained he had sought the advice of Alan Muir – the official behind the goal – and was told by him that he thought the ball had struck the defender’s head.
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What report? this is a new twist,had there been a report then the CO would not be involved.When the CO actioned this I dont think there was a report,now there is this is a joke,so they are saying they seen it but not as an offence…………Joke.
PS Would I be right in saying the early unjustified booking for Brown put him out the Final??
Owen
It matters not a jot what the media say about us, we are always the bad bhoys.
I agree with others, and said so the other day, this is a glorious chance to effect major change in the game, we either take this operchancity, or forever be confined to the back of the bus, it’s up to the club, the support have made their felling known.
I just wish the support would mobilise and get some sort of co ordonated action together, at the mo we are well fractured, something that joins things up, we could have some powerful voice, and most importantly, spending power, that is something everyone will pay heed to.
HH