You’re victim of a costly refereeing failure, what do you do? Celtic wrote to the SFA for clarification. There was no demand for censure of the officials or a ban for the Inverness player.
In 2011, when the SFA were victim of a costly refereeing error against Czech Republic, Association president, Campbell Ogilvie, took it upon himself to write to Uefa demanding the referee who failed to correctly interpret a penalty incident, be marked down, and that the player who dived is excluded from the remainder of the competition. The Daily Record glowingly reported the actions here.
The SFA set a precedent: after being hard done by, demand action against the referee. Don’t just let supervisory processes take their course. This is the standard set by Campbell Ogilvie.
“An SFA spokesman” also made it his business to brief a grateful media on the actions of Mr Ogilvie. This was a coordinated campaign by the SFA against a match official, as well as an attempt to circumvent process.
Is this fair enough? Well, I don’t remember an outcry at the time. A referee made a bad mistake in an important game. Standards should have been higher. The SFA would have been within their rights to say so, although they had no business trying to influence referee supervisory processes. If only we had a competent administrator who would realise this.
Celtic are within their rights to say standards should be higher now and instead of trying to mislead by suggesting no one in the ground was convinced Celtic should have had a penalty, the SFA should acknowledge that standards can and must improve.
Saying that would shut Celtic up and give them nothing to MORE complain about. Instead of being concerned by the actions of SFA referee chief Fleming.
What you will note is the utter contempt shown for your club by many for writing a letter asking for clarification, even from those who lauded Campbell Ogilvie for demanding a referee is demoted. Celtic are the last superpower standing after the Long Cold War, but we’ll always be the enemy to some. We may well win the next 30 league titles, but as long as Campbell ‘What school did you go to?’ Ogilvie is in charge at Hampden, you’ll know what we’re up against.
Great three points last night. Particularly delighted for Gary Mackay-Steven. He, and Stuart Armstrong, are still finding their feet at Celtic. It will be next season before we see the best of them (think Stefan Johansen circa April 2014), but the early signs are encouraging.
Big Virgil had a better record from free kicks than we had from penalties a couple of seasons ago!
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The SFA have entangled themselves so badly here it makes the Gordian Knot look like a shoelace.
It’s been how many days now since the Guiidetti hearing?
4 days to draft a response as to why 6 officials did not see a handball.
they manage everything on the basis of what Rangers and their media think.
BMCUW. 18.04
No not at all, I made a long enough post earlier explaining what I see as a particular problem in Scotland of finding referees who are genuinely neutral and have not been touched at some point in their lives by the Green/Orange divide,
I believe a sizeable section of Scottish Refs would have no love for Celtic or what it stands for. In crucial moments in big games if there is a big call this ingrained bias comes to the fore.
Skysportsnews Inverness player cleared to play in cup final after Celtic wanted him punished for hand ball !!
Did’nt Celtic just ask for an explanation
Jeezo makingusthbadguys csc
Murdoch if SSN have said that, Celtic should demand a high profile apology and retraction.
Prestonpans
Mullet&co
Question answered earlier at
http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/?p=17243&cpage=1#comment-2555317
The last thing SFA would want is to ask UEFA to look into it before they did especially by copying the Res12 letter to SFA to UEFA.
Auldheid
By failing to explain their decision the Independent Judicial Tribunal have said to the MSM, go ahead you explain it. I just heard Chris McLaughlin report the decision on Radio 5 and I’m sure he used the word ‘presumably’ re Meekings’ appeal against his ban. Farcical.
Neganon,
FIFA told the SFA not to punish Meekings as they (Jim Boyce, Northern Irish FIFA vp and head of referees) thought it went against the remit of retrospective punishment.
I would hazard a guess that retrospective punishment could then be opened for well anything …
Incidentally Jim Boyce knows a lot about Scottish football and said he watched it and listened to radio shows. I wonder if he has an interest in a particular team
Murdochauldandhay but there is no conspiracy.
Honest.
None.
Nada.
Zilch.
Just a series of bizarre events.
All unconnected.
Independent.
Honest.
Meeking had to be admonished as there was no case to answer.
None of the officials saw him on the park!
Mullet I wonder too ;)
If they say it’s not in the remit then they have another problem. What’s in and what’s out? This would be the sensible conclusion for them, the least troublesome. But it still leaves them with the thorny problem of how plausible it is for all the officials to not see the incident.
They will attempt to bury it and not say anything. If celtic remain silent then we know the gigs up and celtic are complicit don’t we?
Ah I love chickens coming home to roost.
MurdochauldandHay & Wee Oscar
corkcelt
sky sports news is fed by the sky sports Scotland team which is sevconian heavy (not just heavy, sevconian heavy- that’s a lot….)
Chairbhoy
The MIBs claim they (6 of them) didn’t see it,
I dont believe them,
it was swept along to the Compliance officer Not deliberate case dismissed only losers are Celtic
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
18:04 on 23 April, 2015
CORKCELT
Do you think MacLean was bribed? Who would have most to gain from Celtic not winning the treble?
(Points finger at WHATISTHESTARS…)
****
I think this actually clouds the issue …. didn’t the rest of us actually stand to gain the most by Celtic not winning…. after all, we are the ones who might have had to see WITS in his birthday suit?
Just joking WITS!
Sick of our corrupt game!
Natnkow @16.35
You looking for a fight or just an argument :o)
I love soundbites because they end being meaningless CSC
corkcelt @ 18:10,
“In crucial moments in big games if there is a big call this ingrained bias comes to the fore.”
Can’t buy that one I’m afraid.
On Sunday decision after decision went in ICT’s favour. It was a systematic attempt to favour one team.
The only fault the savvy officials did was over egg it.
When they saw Meekings hand ball they had to make a quick decision how obvious was it? Could they get away with ignoring it. In the heat of the moment they thought yes.
In hindsight no. We could all see them cheat.
Hail Hail
Afternoon all, I really couldn’t give a toss whether Meeking was doing guilty or not, it was laughable that he was up in front of that shower in any case.
The important stuff for us is the SFA’s reply to Celtic’s request and then our subsequent response.
CORKCELT
I was kidding about the bribe,just a wee gag at WITS’ expense. Though as MIKEINTORONTO has pointed out,the gain was ours!
Mullet,
It sounds very like the Henry case.
Fifa said he couldn’t be touched retrospectively for a handball.
This is possibly the route harpers & Mcleod have went down.
HH
Neganon 2
17.17
Great post
coolmore mafia
And as for you, I bet you walk like an Egyptian too.
Khufu CSC
Chairbhoy
18:22 on
23 April, 2015
Correct. the officials took a risk, thinking they could get away with it.
Of course they had the comfort of knowing the SFA and SMSM would be right behind them.
Not much of a risk really.
leftclicktic @ 18:20,
I’m not disagreeing with that at all.
What I’m saying is the Meeking’s decision does not exonerate anyone, far from it – it produces more questions than answers.
The SFA are in an untenable position, their match officials look ridiculous.
We have to keep the Heid and tell it like it is.
Hail Hail
Neganon2
Celtic asked for an explanation.
Has one been given?
They did not ask that Meeking be brought before the CO.
That is what media reported. It’s a lie.
If Celtic mention the JP decision it makes the lie true.
Wisen up.
An explanation is still required. What happened in the game at that moment?
If it was not deliberate why was that not the explanation given no matter how unbelievable.
neganon2
18:19 on 23 April, 2015
Mullet I wonder too ;)
If they say it’s not in the remit then they have another problem. What’s in and what’s out? This would be the sensible conclusion for them, the least troublesome. But it still leaves them with the thorny problem of how plausible it is for all the officials to not see the incident.
They will attempt to bury it and not say anything. If celtic remain silent then we know the gigs up and celtic are complicit don’t we?
Ah I love chickens coming home to roost.
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Possibly it’s just me Neganon but it’s post like the one above that get on my Bristols about you.
I agree with many of your gripes regarding the board at Celtic but I always seem to get the impression that you’d rather be proved right than a positive outcome for Celtic.
I think the above is an example of that.
Josh Meekings’ appeal against posters misspelling his name on CQN has been upheld.
HT
Using yer heid there. :)
Note to Hugh Keevins-
Stop saying your 45 year career in football journalism has been a sham if there has been institutional bias in Scotland against Celtic.
Do yourself a favour Hugh,don’t repeat that too often or you will go to the grave a broken man if your profession is and has been very important to you.
auldheid
Ahhh there’s a first time for everything amigo :-)
SSN 6.30 bulletin altered from the one at 6pm Celtic not included
Surprise Surprise
In his report, referee Steven McLean explained he had sought the advice of Alan Muir – the official behind the goal – and was told by him that he thought the ball had struck the defender’s head.
above from
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32402364
how stupid can we all be???? seriously! Every call , tweet , email to radio shows etc..etc.. talks about the penalty incident and the referee mistake. leaving ourselves open to ridicule , ” all clubs get bad decisions every week , not just Celtic” . We need to be smarter than this
We need to be asking WHY CELTIC FANS ARE PARANOID and how the trust can be built back up.
Lets start with Farry , Dougie gate , Dallas, Lennon , Tonev, Boyd not proven etc.. and other unprecedented punishments from the compliance officer .
Celtic is treated very differently in Scotland – We are the ONLY club in the Europe who is singled out for this very special treatment.
There is no trust and their silence further agitates the situation.
Ask why a Scottish official is not allowed to ref a Scotland international match – answer , it would be seen to be biased. Therefore , why wouldn’t an official growing up supporting Rangers or celtic or any other team have sub-conscious allegiances?
Fact is , the refs are hand picked , groomed and taught to boss Celtic and we have sat there are took it – we need to be smarter!
Ok ok it’s a fair cop. The games up
I bribed brother mcclean to make that howler
I also bribed the Inverness team so that they wouldn’t lie down against celtic like they normally do. I was thinking about offering ronny a few bob to make a few crazy substitutions but decided to keep my money in my pocket on that one
HT I wouldn’t spend all this time complaining and arguing if I didn’t want the best for celtic. But I see celtic as you, me and all the supporters. Not those who run the club. My glee about chickens coming home to roost is all to do with the SFA. They have royally screwed this up. It’s just brilliant.
SFA compliance officer Tony McGlennan had charged Meekings with breaking disciplinary rule 200 by “denying the opposing team an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball”.
But it is understood the independent panel took into consideration that the referee and his other officials had seen the incident.
In his report, referee Steven McLean explained he had sought the advice of Alan Muir – the official behind the goal – and was told by him that he thought the ball had struck the defender’s head.
The panel decided that it had been “an honest mistake” by the officials and that they were not minded to change the referee’s decision.
Auldheid sorry but I am not following you. JP decision?