Doubt remains until we hear the words Prima Facie

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Neil Doncaster has uttered the words “Prima Facie” more often than any other figure in public life since February when Celtic Quick News first asked if Rangers EBT payments were declared to the football authorities, almost always after the words “we don’t know if there is a”.  While we are all assuming the SPL have now established Rangers have a case to answer for illegally registering footballers for over a decade, it’s important to hear the words.

Rangers refused to submit information to the SPL for three months and only did so under the duress of a deadline, but we don’t know what they have submitted.  I have been concerned that Rangers would simply try to brass the entire episode out, submit the contracts the SFA and SPL already had, and deny having any record of side agreements.

Consider the clubs modus operandi in recent months and years.  Sir David Murray provided cover in March, categorically denying side contracts existed, while the current men in charge have been too busy to spare much time researching the issue.  A response of “We don’t have any information” would not have surprised me.  Rangers submitting full information – including details on the side letters which exist but which the BBC do not have – would surprise me.

The SPL should have realised months ago they would get nothing from Rangers without a deadline but they are in awkward position if the answer from the club is not what is expected.  It’s far from clear that they can take evidence from the BBC and may require information from the First Tier Tribunal verdict to substantiate what everyone knows.  The verdict is unlikely to confirm any names.

Until Mr Doncaster says “Prima Facie evidence exists” we should not assume this episode is on track to be dealt with.

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  1. Margaret McGill on

    The Singing Detective on 2 June, 2012 at 04:00 said:

     

    Lets not forget Apollo came out of the cold war and thus the space race was reduced to investment. There is no way the Soviet Union could have won. Once the Americans had “won” they cancelled Apollo 18. It does not mean 12 Americans did not walk on the moon.

  2. Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 2 June, 2012 at 03:49 said:

     

     

    petec on 2 June, 2012 at 03:47 said:

     

     

    I am guessing you are talking about the Rap/Prison Money maker.

     

     

    Margaret McGill on 2 June, 2012 at 03:44

     

     

    If only you realised what Apollyon 11 is. Masonic doctrine of Man can become God. The same lie from the Garden.

     

     

    Twin Towers always found in Masonic “Temples”. Creative destruction is Masonic and is happening right now constantly. America is the last block before the All seeing eye is placed in place.

     

     

    There is Nothing new under the Sun.

     

     

    HH my Good friends in Celtic.

     

     

    A hun free Scotland would be wonderful.

  3. Sixteen roads to Golgotha on

    Margaret McGill on 2 June, 2012 at 04:01 said:

     

     

    Liam Brady was a worse manager than WGS – I also suspect that he was using the club to line his own pocket,he was a agent..yet he kept signing players that were on his books,like Cascarino and Stuart Slater.What was that all about?

  4. Margaret McGill on

    Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 2 June, 2012 at 04:05 said:

     

     

    that WGS was a great Celtic manager and those that don’t agree are blinded by ulterior motives is what its all about. Whats yours? That he hummed and hawed and had red hair? Or maybe deeper? was Scottish? or even deeper? a possible proddy dog? that the impression I get from talking to your ilk.

  5. Sixteen roads to Golgotha on

    Hahahahahahaha!!

     

     

    You are a bigot as well.

     

     

    I might even call you a racist if you don’t desist from talking nonsense.

     

     

    RACIST!!

  6. Margaret McGill on

    petec on 2 June, 2012 at 04:04 said:

     

     

    Nah youre wrong.

     

    Apollo 11 was nothing more than who could program the best fortran on diode technology and subsequently make the most money in the 60’s. Think Ipads!

  7. Margaret McGill on

    ok seeing that the future of Scottish football and the realm of Celtic is to be determined imminently is there nothing else out there?

     

    ok is there any body else out here?

     

    Or is it just this pish?

     

    ok I’m offsky.

     

    lets see what the SPL and SFA do the next week or so.

     

    Its gonna get interesting

  8. Margaret McGill on

    Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 2 June, 2012 at 04:15 said:

     

     

    Yeah the last refuge of all Gordon Strachan haters..pathetic!

  9. Margaret McGill on

    petec on 2 June, 2012 at 04:17 said:

     

     

    You have confused the Beatles with technology.

     

    Yes the motivation was there but it took some time for the “water to flow under the bridge” as Isaac Newton described the complexity of biology once upon a time.

  10. So,Darren O’Dea Gone…

     

     

    Along with Majstorovic,Glenda…and Mark Wilson,who did well when drafted to CH on occasion.

     

     

    And we still have Kelvin Wilson,who I believe will turn out to be worst of the bunch…

     

     

    If we are fortunate enough to get through two pre-qualifiers for the group stage,we will be likely to pick up some yellow cards in getting there…given the competitive nature of the games to clinch a coveted place in the Groups..

     

    We could be left with a severely depleted squad…

     

     

    Should never have let Ki disappear back to Korea,without any decision on extending his contract…

     

    He is playing games with us…six weeks ago,he insisted that he needed to wait un till the Scottish Cup Final ..

     

     

    When he went off to Korea for an internationl last Autumn,he revealed to the Korean Press that he wouldn’t be signing a new contract with Celtic…

     

    If he is not sold in this window,he will be in the last year of his contract come January,and his value will decline significantly…

     

     

    Given that he cost £2.4M, I fear we may lose out on the effort of developing him as a player…who had arrived as a callow youth..

     

     

    I fear that PL has just too much on his plate at the moment,and it could impact on our transfer negotiations…

     

     

    Anyway,Night All.

     

     

    Angels On Your Shoulders……

  11. Sixteen roads to Golgotha on

    Margaret McGill on 2 June, 2012 at 04:17 said:

     

     

    That’s just typical of you – angry all the time,you could well be a hun for all i know…the rage is strong!

     

     

    WGS – I liked him as a person,and he was funny at times – he just didn’t know the first thing about football.

     

     

    Is that alright with you?

  12. http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-israel-supreme-court/

     

     

    The Masonic/Gnostic orders control all positions of power throughout the World.

     

     

    I am just a person who does not have many friends and that does not bother me in the slightest.

     

     

    I just want people to pray for Israel whilst they pray for others, Palestinians especially. The secret societies have all their people in their positions to tackle Bible prophecy in the way they think they can Win.

  13. Margaret McGill on

    Sixteen roads to Golgotha on 2 June, 2012 at 04:27 said:

     

     

    ok I agree. I am a raging anti-hun person. In all its multifarious forms.

  14. Baku/Black Isle Celt on

    Interesting views tonight, a common theme on CQN is:

     

    1. Good value players that contribute to the success of Celtic are bought by the Manager.

     

    2. Waste of money non contributors are bought by Peter Lawwell and forced on the Manager.

     

     

    Tonight Sixteen roads to Golgotha informs us that the complete opposite happened from 2005 to 2009:

     

    1. Peter Lawwell bought all the successful players that brought us 3 in a row.

     

    2. The Manager, Gordon Strachan, forced the Board to spend untold millions on wasters who contributed nothing.

     

     

    Strange that Peter has lost his touch…

     

     

    MJM

  15. Baku/Black Isle Celt

     

     

    I have criticised Peter Lawwell a couple of times when I was being swept along with the tide.

     

     

    I stood firm for 2 years or so.

     

     

    Rangers really SKEWED Celtic so much.

     

     

    I really liked the Sharp Suited Man stuff.

     

     

    I hope Peter sticks with us, he is one of us IMO.

  16. Margaret McGill on

    petec on 2 June, 2012 at 04:30 said:

     

     

    Must have been something I said. One of all my all time favourites!

     

    Thank you!

  17. The Singing Detective

     

     

    I hope Darren goes on to have an amazing career. And even does a CHARLIE MULGREW.

     

     

    My Son has been selected for Dumbarton at entry pro youth level. Proud very Proud, Big time.

     

     

    HH

  18. Baku/Black Isle Celt on

    Petec, my post wasn’t really about Peter. I’m just another, along with Margaret McGill and many others, who gets annoyed with the Strachan haters.

     

     

    The ususal “ask any ‘Boro, Coventry, Southampton fans” also annoys me. Celtic fans should judge a Celtic manager on what he does at Celtic not elsewhere.

     

     

    MJM

  19. Margaret McGill on 2 June, 2012 at 04:45

     

     

    You just keep being M Mc and I will be very happy.

     

     

    Midlife crisis is nonsensical.

     

     

    Hail Hail my Good Celtic friend.

  20. Baku/Black Isle Celt

     

     

    IMHO

     

     

    It is really stupid to belittle Gordon and all he achieved.

     

     

    Gordon Won every season by a mile. The EBT’s prove this. Last 16 CL – FFS that is monumental.

     

     

    Gordon STRACHAN – Tommy Burns Best Pal, IMO.

  21. Margaret McGill on

    Houl yer wheest on 2 June, 2012 at 05:11 said:

     

     

    yer links broke??? can ye copy and paste correctly so I can see the latest WGS devilment eruditely explained to me by Scotland’s hunnery #1 publication?

     

    Just askin like.

  22. Margaret McGill on

    I believe Kojo expressed consternation once on CQN at Miscegenation ? I wonder what both King of Kings think of Celtic supporters supporting Miscegenation?

     

     

    Things I hate most about Celtic supporters

     

     

    1. The ones that loathe WGS

     

    2. The ones that booed Fergus

     

    3. The ones that fund hunnery

     

    4. The ones that want to see huns in the SPL next season so Celtic can gub them 10-0.

     

    5. The ones that think Celtic are Irish….

     

    err thats it!

     

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++

     

     

    So I see the Irish aficionados amongst us couldn’t get by #1,

     

     

    ok lets move on to #2. Maybe we can make it last all night till Jobo appears from East Kilbride. What says you lot? I’m up for it!

  23. Houl yer wheest on 2 June, 2012 at 05:19 said:

     

     

    Wee Gordy knows how to put people in their box

     

    Strachan’s public prickliness does him no favours

     

     

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    Off to bed, Gordon was the best possible manager Celtic could get after Martin.

     

     

    Gordon worked wonders when you consider the working environment he was operating in.

     

     

    CHRIS SUTTON – Total Legend. He never got on with Gordon and his methods. Gordon is the most important person. I was raging when he left Aiden out against them at new year (i think) because it weakened our team.

     

     

    Gordon Strachan, IMHO, was more selfless than any Celtic manager I ever watched. He was teaching Aiden a lesson for his benefit rather than his own achievement..

  24. morning bhoys from G72.

     

    as our weather bhoy is on holiday in Arran I can confirm that it is light at this ungodly hour on a Saturday morning..

  25. Champion Weekend in the Chiterns…

     

     

    Petec don’t want to be pedantic but the third Temple was destroyed 2,000 years ago.

     

     

    First Temple – King David

     

     

    Second Temple – Return From Babylon

     

     

    Third Temple – Herod the Great

     

     

    Looking forward to the celebrations this weekend

     

     

    My Auntie’s 70th…

     

     

    Hail! Hail!