Neil Doncaster has uttered the words “Prima Facie” more often than any other figure in public life since February when Celtic Quick News first asked if Rangers EBT payments were declared to the football authorities, almost always after the words “we don’t know if there is a”. While we are all assuming the SPL have now established Rangers have a case to answer for illegally registering footballers for over a decade, it’s important to hear the words.
Rangers refused to submit information to the SPL for three months and only did so under the duress of a deadline, but we don’t know what they have submitted. I have been concerned that Rangers would simply try to brass the entire episode out, submit the contracts the SFA and SPL already had, and deny having any record of side agreements.
Consider the clubs modus operandi in recent months and years. Sir David Murray provided cover in March, categorically denying side contracts existed, while the current men in charge have been too busy to spare much time researching the issue. A response of “We don’t have any information” would not have surprised me. Rangers submitting full information – including details on the side letters which exist but which the BBC do not have – would surprise me.
The SPL should have realised months ago they would get nothing from Rangers without a deadline but they are in awkward position if the answer from the club is not what is expected. It’s far from clear that they can take evidence from the BBC and may require information from the First Tier Tribunal verdict to substantiate what everyone knows. The verdict is unlikely to confirm any names.
Until Mr Doncaster says “Prima Facie evidence exists” we should not assume this episode is on track to be dealt with.
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•-:¦:-•** -:¦:- sparkleghirl :¦:-.•**• -:¦:-• on 2 June, 2012 at 10:11:
“For exactly the reasons given above a part season ban or suspension is absurd.”
The article is absurd.
ItaliaBhoy on 2 June, 2012 at 10:05 said:
“intellectual assets”?!!
Steinreignedsupreme on 2 June, 2012 at 10:05 said:
It fekin’ better be …… And you’re correct…..I am honestly raging ……. The LL are a disgrace to journalism, and are main contributors to the demise of Scotland’s Shame……
If the SFA even MEET green, the non-owner, then we know what direction this is all taking …….. The SFA need to be very careful here ….. FIFA don’t give two monkeys about our pathetic little Establishment / handshaking cretins.
sparkleghirl,
Absurd indeed. But when did that ever stop Scottish football?
Mind you it could be fun to see them start the second half of the season on -57 points! But then that would mean certain relegation – and what would happen then? The rules would hav to be changed, wouldn’t they?
ItaliaBhoy on 2 June, 2012 at 10:05 said:
EXACTLY – PANIC …… And we need to monitor all this very closely
I apoligise it was me that started this DR nonsense but i think we as fans are always sceptical when it comes to that shower, the SFA.
Lovely auld day for a demise, can you have a liquidation on a weekend day.
Anyway I’m off out to play golf and hopefully get my first cut of the season.
The way i’ve been playing recently i doubt it lol.
z ʍoɹ:
I don’t think he is a Tim.
So when does appeal panel reconvene?.
Original transfer embargo for one year challenged in court, contested on principle of being not within rules. So according to DR RFC(IA) propose a 6 month embargo.
Would this also be out with the rules if one year ban was found as not legal.
This is like an episode of SOAP (for those of you that remember this one).
Not too bothered by the tosh printed in the MSM, they will always print a favourable story, as BBC Scotland will only report selected facts about this.
If I was a creditor I would be more intrested in how D&P can now say they have enough cash flow to run on in to July, paying full wages as they go, were did this money come from? some no doubt from the £2 mill for finishing 2nd in the league, money won by fielding a team not paying their tax.
The SFA are now under the watchful eyes of FIFA, this is a good thing I believe as if the SFA don’t follow the rules they will be punished, unfortunately that could impact on all of the member clubs in Scotland.
All of the parties involved in this life support pantomime, creditors, prospective owners, D&P, SFA, SPL, are being pushed in to a corner and one of them is going to have to take the part of the grim reaper in this act.
In my view HMRC are holding off, I don’t know if the proposed CVA only covers a certain element of the tax cases, with the BTC sitting in the background not actually active in play yet. Maybe HMRC are waiting to see if a newco will appear before hitting them with the BTC and probably putting newco in to liquidation anyway, I just can’t see how they can separate the old from any newco, potentially their insistance on taking their history with them could prove fatal to any newco.
If they still exist next season I expect that this time next year we will see a huge number of the SPL teams taking the option of ditching their debts and starting afresh.
Maybe Celtic should start spending big money this transfer window afterall!
Vaultbhoy
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon..!!..Truth and Justice will always prevail on 2 June, 2012 at 10:17:
Don’t underestimate FIFA on this one – they take a very dim view of civil court activity from renegade clubs. This is a nightmare for the Huns now.
The three members of the independent panel will make their decisions, and I’d guess a suspension of some sort is the best we can hope for, and not at all an unrealistic outcome.
You are right about the Laptop Loyal. They have simply confirmed what we always knew to be the case, regarding their championing of all things Rangers. A lot of people have been exposed during this farce, and the media are right up there with their blatant lies – this morning’s effort being the latest example.
But telling lies to provoke a reaction from the likes of us is all they have. Best to just laugh it off. Enjoy their misery.
Have the Huns started selling season tickets yet?
‘Green furious with D+P’
Aye right pull the other one,does the retard think our heids button up the back?
As for the insecurity marches,they can go n fling shite at themselves,let them have their wee handouts for cases of lager,we will be content to see their football team die in disgrace.
It’s like dads army
DON’T PANIC ,DON’T PANIC ,but they don’t like it up em mr Regan ,they don’t like it up em .
Well follow wuzzies ,time to bend over and get what you demanded .
HH
I’m taking that DR article with a massive pinch of salt, after all, how many times has the same paper claimed that RFC’s various ‘saviors’ have ‘cut deals’ with HMRC, the SFA, the SPL et al? It’s wishful thinking from Keith Jackson, you can almost see the tears soaking it!
I think even Regan knows that a suspension from the Scottish Cup is simply not enough and that total suspension or expulsion is probably the only sanction that will satisfy FIFA. That said, you never know with the SFA.
In any case, its absolutely ridiculous that it has been allowed to get this far, the season starts in 8-10 weeks yet fans still don’t know what the hell they’ll be watching next season, its pathetic.
And just saw that taxpayers money being used to fund the OO bigot bashes, what a bloody disgrace, you’d think Scotland would be doing everything it could to eradicate such a group rather than appease and indeed, fund them.
Re Green’s ‘fury’ at D&P
If he wants it, this gives him a perfect excuse to walk away…….let’s wait and see what next week brings.
Allgreen
they have sold 100,000 to ticketus ,so the ground looks like it’s sold out for the next two seasons .
HH
The revised punishment for the huns will be decided by the Independent Panel. Regan has no input.
They can’t reduce it to a fine only. They have already said that expulsion is too severe. That leaves no Scottish Cup or a suspension.
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 2 June, 2012 at 10:40 said:
Looks like the SFA/SPL are running out of ways to keep cheats fc in the big league and things are coming to a head .
The punishment the SFA give them for the CAS fiasco will be very interesting indeed .
nolongercalledparaniodCSC
HH
Perhaps Green is trying to distance himself from Duff & Duffer to allow a backtrack and acceptance of the transfer embargo for the full one year (providing he can’t cut a deal for 6 months with SFA).
Green know the gravity of the situation now that FIFA are involved. He can’t cut a deal, suspension is inevitable.
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 2 June, 2012 at 10:40 said:
If I’m not mistaken, FIFA are looking for a heavier/extra penalty for having dragged the SFA to a Civil Court.
fergus slayed the blues, MadraRua,
There should be a punishment to replace the transfer ban AND a separate punishment for taking the issue to court.
Then there’s also the payments through EBTs investigation that is still to be reported to the SPL Board.
And if they get a suspension and the dual contracts explode ‘Prima Facie’ what then. Not to mention paying money to ex-employees (apparently very large sums of money) via club constructed EBT’s, well what appropriate punishment then.
I find it hard to understand that not one of the peepil who must know the rules ,did not step in and stop the RFF/DnD going to CoS .
They must have known the end result ,
Wiggy
CO
peepil friendly guys in the SFA ,not one of them stopped it
Why ?
HH
If the huns are suspended for a year what a fun league it’ll be without them, so much so that everyone concerned won’t want them back. Imagine if overall attendances across the SPL went up.
The Daily Deceiver does what it says on the tin.
Long live CQN
HH
Gary O’Connor – what a tube! His brains most definitely are in his feet. Another disgrace to the Scottish game.
and we are still waiting to hear what punishment they are due for their repeated singing of proscribed songs following administration.
kitalba, gordon j et al
Thanks for trying to provide clarification.
Is the most likely outcome liquidation followed by HMRC telling D & P they want a firm of competent accountants to administer the liquidation?
The process would then start again with no preferred status for Agent Green who, at this time, will then announce to his fellow tims that he has succeeded in his goal to kill them off with no plan in place for a re-birth!
confusedaseverCFC
Got to go as the other half keeps reminding me that it will take many hours to complete the tasks she has lined up for me today! ‘Twas ever thus!
HH
apoligies to all my followers, but i had a hectic work week and was unable to post any of my usual drivel , or indeed keep up with the blog at all.
tal.
i even missed that the new strip has been released.
havnt seen a bhoy with one on yet, but no doubt as the Orange hordes parade around our towns and major city today some of our own in colours will get the brunt of their “culture”
scotlands shame right enought.
http://celticfc.net/newsstory?item=2690
i think all this talk about cutting a deal is all premeditated and one of many reasons why they took the sfa to court.
and we are still waiting to see if Ally McCoist and Sandy Jardine will be taken to task for their repeated outbursts which if had been voiced by Neil Lennon would have resulted in a public hanging.
Wouldn’t it be great if another administrator took over and duff & duffer had to queue up with the other creditors for their 5p in the pound
just a thought
Gordon J
Do you think the DR deal mince ,was a case of the SFA telling them ….
Except the original 12 month ban or it’s suspension and Green has said ,if we agree to that the hordes will go tonto ,can you not make it a 6 months ban to let us save face .
HH
and we are still waiting to hear the response to Ally’s inciting of the hordes over the identity of the judicial panel.
ie …putting a gun to the head of the sfa/scottish football
merseycelt
Over on RTC it’s reckoned that those in the business know who has been appointed to carry out the liquidation. And it ain’t Duff and Duffer.
charles kickham:
it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they could be sacked. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that they could find themselves as individuals, and as part of a company, in court defending their inexplicable administration.