There will be no mention of ‘Drama Queens’ from me, but those who were uncontrollably distressed by ‘defeats’ in meaningless friendlies will no doubt be delighted to lean a Celtic team largely staffed by undergraduates got the better of Brentford yesterday. The rest of us remain unmoved, although I was pleased Amido Balde received some encouragement.
As many of you will know, the LostBhoys have been broadcasting podcasts covering Celtic’s history in recent months. It has been an incredibly professional, informative and entertaining look at our club through the years. This weekend they broadcast a decade I helped them cover, 1950-1960.
It encapsulated a seminal period for Celtic. When the SFA ruled the club would face suspension if they continued to fly the Irish flag, we could have gone out of business, or forever been robbed of our heritage. The decade saw many of the great names in our history at Celtic Park: McGrory, Tully, Stein, Fallon, McNeill, Chalmers, Auld, Gribben and Hogan, as well as the ever-influential, Sir Robert Kelly, but to those at the time it looked like we were heading nowhere. Celtic lost more games in the 50s than in any other decade, but as we know, it’s darkest before the dawn….
There are great contributions from Charlie Gallacher and John Fallon, and Terry Dick, son of Glen Daly, who recorded The Celtic Son, told us how the song came into being (it was basically the work of Charlie Tully).
You can download this episode here but catch them all, you’ll be glad you did.
Two days until football returns to Celtic Park; can’t wait.
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Earlier today there were posts calling on Celtic to ban the Sun.
PL and DD will do what they consider to be prudent in a business context.
It is up to the individual fans to boycott any enterprise, including television products that are in anyway influenced by the Murdoch empire.
Lanarkshire Polis have made a breakthrough in the hunt for the person responsible for the arson job……
They’re reported to be very keen to speak to a Rosa Parks of Hamilton.
BackofthebusCSC
So. Chris graham has stopped making his tweets public.wonder if he received a visit from strathclydes finest ? Surely not insigated by 1 of cqn finest ? Succulent lamb all round methinks
Quonno
Why?
Quonno- I have a self imposed ban on all newspapers and STV (Sevco) news- all confirmed by Charlotte fakes as strongly influenced by the orange pound, and I dont miss any of them
mickbhoy1888
20:36 on
21 July, 2013
Many years ago, before he became a director and lost his memory, Tom Grant was quoted as saying that a least once in their lifetime, every Celtic fan should sit in the director’s box and have a seat on the team bus to an away game. Dream on.
….PFayr
20:49 on
You should not have to be told.
To hit them where it hurts.
Their pockets.
Stairheedrammy
Glad to hear it.
Just read on Celtic site that we had a player at right back named Darnell Fisher.
I wonder what WG makes of that one.
Quonno
Sorry my question was a poor one
I agree re the fans …why shouldn’t the club tackle them
cheers for the dr article prestonpans bhoys – not quite sure what it was about – everything’s allright, don’t worry we’ll get a trophy next year – little more than a jabe press release really
Andrea Antonelli RIP
25 year old Italian Superbike rider tragically killed today during race in Moscow.
….PFayr
20:55 on
21 July, 2013
Thanks.
I did not say that the club shouldn’t be part of a boycott.
I merely implied that it wouldn’t.
* jabba ffs
Imagine all those bum and mouth ulcers and you end up a Scottish rickshaw puller
My dug would be devestated never mind my Ma
HH
Awe naw
You’re a bad man
jackie mac
20:58 on
21 July, 2013
Don’t understand Keevins/Jabba but if they were recipients of a ebt then I would know where their journalistic stance comes from………
mickbhoy1888
20:41 on 21 July, 2013
I don’t think there’s any Hun pubs in Santa Ponsa. The Celtic bars will welcome your grandchildren (thumbs up)
Pfayr
Better a bad man than a drama queen ;-)
HH
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Summa of Sammi….
05:38 on
21 July, 2013
.
The Open..
“Driving is for Show..Putting is for Dough..”
On the Last Day it’s Down to Mental Strength..
Only 3 in the Top 10 Have it IMO..
Adam Scott..Par..3 off the Leader..@ 7/1..
Angel Cabrera..+1..4 off the Leader..@ 33/1..
Phil Mickleson..+2..5 off the Leader..@ 20/1..
I Would Love Lee Westwood to Win his first Major and will be Rooting for Him..but think going into the Last day with a 2 shot lead will cost Him..Hope I’m wrong..
Summa
Ps..I Deleted the End of this Post where l tipped Adam Scott and Angel EW..If The Sun change a Story to suit them Why cant l..?
..-)
@garygillespieshamstring
Young Darnell Fisher is a very good prospect indeed at r/b.
I saw him a couple of times in the NextGen games.
~SPF~
don’t think celtic will ever play outside Scottish league system so we need to try to make it better. Scottish football can be better if clubs stop being so self bloody serving.
So every club could keep their own gate/ season ticket income/ club sponsor etc…
but why not have a 14 team league, add a euro play-off, add another relegation play-off spot, which offers more interesting games and better t.v income/ gate receipt etc… for all clubs involved.
close the gap in income between top two further and share more with those teams that are going to compete in Europe the following season. (more money for euro teams = higher chance of doing well) better teams helps to improve Scottish footballs standing and feeds into euro co-efficient = easier qualification = potential for increased income.
have a euro pot that see’s 30% or so of profits gained from European football shared with top 7 teams at season end. (more money for euro teams = higher chance of doing well and stronger league competition) better teams also helps to improve Scottish footballs standing and allows clubs to retain decent players.
A more competitive league = a more interesting league = more fans going and watching on t.v, more sponsors etc… = greater income in the short and long term.
if the league is a good standard then better players will come and may stay a little. either way our clubs will be better able to pay wages and resist being used as a cheap option for vultures looking for bargains all the time.
or we could just sit about complaining about everything and play the victim of circumstances bla bla bla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
……………………………………………………………………………………………………….
think announcement about 1st phase of celtic triangle will be last of all the recent announcements
hail hail
Who Is Sergio Buenacasa Alba?
and… Why has he turned up, playing fur a Celtic XI ,agin Cork City?
Well , Ah kin help ye oot..a wee tate..
Listen .
Sergio Buenacasa, is the Name of a Seventeen Year Auld Spanish Kid.
His Parent Club wiz.. Barcelona… and It may Still be..
Ah dunno.
He is a Tall Striker.
Ah am guessing that Celtic hiv Swung a Loan of Him fae Barca.. as tae fur How Long and whit the Loan Terms ur….
Ah Hivnae Fun that oot,.. Yet.
And May Ah point oot.. Ye ask too Many Damn Questions!
But, Ah am told that He is a Very Likely Lad… so he is.
Kojo
Still Laughin’
Scotpatsfan
Thanks for that. Never seen the boy play myself. Always good to hear about a young player with promise. Hope he makes it.
Winning gemmell used to post here frequently referring to sevco as “the Darnell” and their followers as “darnellists”, so seeing us with a player with an identically sounding name struck me as amusing.
Don’t know if WG is lurking these days but haven’t seen him post for ages. A sad loss to the blog in my opinion.
Ggh
Bhoys , have checked celticbars and have a couple of hits in Torquay and Plymouth . Anyone suggest anger option to watch the game in the Dartmouth area ?
Thanks and HH
Sanna
2 feelings from childhood that will never leave me.
Going on holiday to Blackpool and playing the game with my sister as to who would be first to spot Bkackpool tower and seeing those imperious floodlights appearing travelling from the East to Paradise.
Happy times
Good evening CQN.
For those who were following my attempts to give up the fags after 39 years, I’m on day 4 tomorrow. So far so good. Remarkably after only 3 days my blood pressure is normal. 122/80. Level has Never been seen for a decade. Before Friday, average was 179/120. Obviously I’m very pleased. I have to say though, I think I’d have failed on Friday had it not been for knowing so many on CQN were backing me. I felt pressured not to give in! Only 3 days as I say, but I feel I have got over the worst and am in confident mood. So….I owe all of you who were encouraging me the greatest thanks. Indeed how big a thanks probably can’t be measured, and it seems inadequate , but thanks is all I can say. If I’m still nicotine free in 4 weeks I’ll be happy to pass £100 of the fag money I’ve saved to TKF.
Stephbhoy, agree with most of what you are saying, however if teams were to play summer football they would be more up to speed and catch other teams cold. Maybe instigate for 3 seasons and see where that gets us.
canalamar1
Paul 67
Remember I mentioned SFA Article 5.1 about member clubs (as opposed to associations) acting with integrity etc?
Well I raised the question in respect of LNS with ecobhoy on TSFM who has a in depth knowledge of LNS and has argued the LNS decision was final whilst I have suggested the UTT could mean revisiting the issue.
Well in asking where Article 5.1 had its place ecobhoy has rhad another look and thinks there might indeed be more to come depending on the UTT decision.
However in mentioning the earlier years I got thinking about the tax not paid under the Discount Option Scheme (still not paid) and the players involved and the hiding of side letters in respect of the DOS (which Rangers only admitted to after HMRC won a test case involving Aberdeen Assets using DoS. For those interested in the 2002/03 title I will post the TSFM discussions next. Worth keeping an eye on.
PS having a look at the resolution.
Cracking game on ESPN -USA 2 El Salvador 1 -defences not on top -70,000 at game mostly away fans
From TSFM
ecobhoy says:
July 21, 2013 at 5:25 pm
@Allyjambo
@Auldheid
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I checked and SFA Article 5.1 isn’t specifically mentioned in LNS but 5.1(b) is although the LNS Decision at [33] states: ‘It can be seen from these provisions that every member of the SPL, being also a member of the SFA, is bound by a nexus of provisions having contractual effect to comply with the Articles and Rules of each body, and is liable to sanction for any breach of either at the instance of the SPL.’
So there can be no arguments against: “All members shall observe the principles of loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship in accordance with the rules of fair play”. (Article 5.1)
There is also an interesting bit of ‘player eligibility’ which if I ever previously noticed I forgot about but I don’t think I have seen it recorded other than in the LNS Decision. Basically there were three periods of registration document non-disclosure which Rangers were found guilty of:
Issue 1: period from 23 November 2000 to 21 May 2002
Issue 2: period from 22 May 2002 to 22 May 2005
Issue 3: period from 23 May 2005 to 3 May 2011
Additionally Issue 3(c) alleges that during the period from 23 May 2005 until 3 May 2011 (inclusive) Rangers FC, whilst a member of the SPL, breached Rule D1.11 by playing the Specified Players in lists 3A and 3B in official matches when those players were ineligible so to play.
At LNS [85] In addressing us on Issue 3(c), Mr McKenzie sought to include a reference to period 2
. . . . No notice is given in the Notice of Commission of any comparable allegation relating to any earlier period, and for this reason we are not prepared to consider this part of the argument.
We then had the Bryson ‘interpretation’ which went unchallenged but what I had never really appreciated the significance of before was the following comment from LNS: ‘It became apparent from his submissions that Mr McKenzie was not pressing for a finding that Issue 3(c), together with the concluding words of Issue 3(b), had been proved.’
My reading of what happened is the SPL case was poor whereby there seemingly wasn’t any claim or evidence that ineligible players were used by Rangers FC in the periods covered by Issues 1 & 2 and the claim initially pursued in this regard by McKenzie wrt to Issue 3(c) 23 May 2005 to 3 may 2011 was dropped by the SPL lawyer.
I really never fully realised just how weak the SPL claim apparently was on ‘ineligible’ players and thought it was almost 100% down to the Bryson interpretation which left LNS no option but to reject the SPL ineligibility claim – now I have actually looked at it in detail it looks as though it was struggling even without Bryson.
So where do we go – I think Auldheid and Allyjambo have a ‘technical’ point that if the UTT found in favour of HMRC then there is a second bite of the cherry available under SFA Article 5.1 which doesn’t need to get tied-up in eligibility or disclosure details. If Rangers are found guilty of cheating Hector and breaking tax regulations then the club could never be held to have fulfilled the required standard: “All members shall observe the principles of loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship in accordance with the rules of fair play”.
But then there could be a further delay with another appeal to the Supreme Court – so when do we reach the point when natural justice is no longer being served by proceedings – say five years down the line – which are then almost 20 years after the original breaches happened.
That is a whole other ball game and I ain’t going there
Twisty
Stay off the fans for four weeks and ill match your pledge
Twists
Good on ye mhate.
Jist goat some mair Skivvy oan .. Sergio Buenacasa
Sergio, wiz a Member of the Barca Under Seventeen Team, who Pipped Celtic’s Youngsters..in Winning the Spartak Cup , recently, in Moscow
Barca Youths and Celtic Youths finished the Tournament
EQUAL IN POINTS.
Ten Points ,each frum a Possible Fifteen.
Barca, won the Cup.. because they had Defeated the Celtic Youths .. 1-0 .. in early Sparta Cup,competition..
Anyway.. Sergio Buenacasa Played fur the Spanish Youths as their number one Striker.. and He scored the All Important Goal.. Agin Kiev.. which helped Barca tae bring their total Pointage tae equal Celtic’s… which wiz.. TEN.
That’s all Ah hiv fun oot aboot the Lad.. so far..
And so Far… He is Lookig tae be .. Wan tae Watch , fur the Future.
Kojo
Stil Laughin’
Pf
That’s extremely generous. Tyvm.
Vogue. Thanks.
TnT, nice touch, giving to TKF, and well done, keep it going.
I was going to say keep it lit!
But don’t do that!
From TSFM
Auldheid says:
July 21, 2013 at 9:11 pm
ecobhoy says:
July 21, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Many thanks for having a look. Natural justice sometimes finds its way through the most obscure legal drafting/considerations and it was on that basis I thought the door was not shut.
You are going to love this but in mentioning the earlier periods on which I had never really focussed is it not the case that the players covered by the Discount Option Scheme (the wee tax case) were paid by an irregular means that avoided tax, the payment of which has still not been recovered and so any titles won if they played in that time and were paid by the DoS should be examined for legitimacy?(under 5.1)
The three players are Craig Moore, Tor Andre Flo and Ronald De Boer. It looks like Moore was only paid by DoS in 1999/2000 and whilst he was at Rangers until 2005 only 1999/2000 is irregular. Not sure if this calls the 1999 title into question, it would depend on actual dates of games Moore played in..
Tor Andre Flo was at Rangers from 2000 to 2002 and was paid by DoS but no titles were won (although the third placed teams may have a case they were disadvantaged).
However Ronald De Boer was at Rangers from 2000 to 2004 and was paid by DoS in that period so the 02/03 title might be questionable if the principle is that the DoS was an irregular payment method not open to other clubs. It had the same hallmarks as the EBTs in terms of side letters whose existence Rangers denied when asked.
In looking at the earlier period 2000 to 2004 what did LNS rule? Did he treat the DoS payments as regular?
Regardless of the UTT result on EBTs do you think there is an issue with the 2002/03 title Rangers won using DOS?
Doc
Keep it lit..ha!
I can’t start smoking again anyhow until I get a new lighter. I can’t lay my hands on it anywhere. I know I had it at 2am the other morning when I was in a bus depot in salsburgh, but I can’t find it now?