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Can we purge all negative overtones today, make sure we start tomorrow with a clean sheet?  Injuries and suspensions are part of the game, we accept them and plan how to win important games.

Celtic are at their best when they are up against it, when everyone knows that nothing short of a herculean effort is required.  This is the case tomorrow.  The requirement is straightforward enough: win your personal battle, inhibit one of the best teams we will play this season, take control of midfield and find spaces in the Ajax defence to exploit.

We have more than enough players bursting to set about this task.

Ajax had a taxing game on Saturday, scoring late to secure a draw away to top of the table Twente.  Although fourth, they are one of six teams no more than two points off the pace in what is currently one of Europe’s tightest leagues, but there is a fragility about Ajax.

The game against Twente was their first away match after a run of four home games, three of which were won comfortably, while they were denied a win against Milan by a ridiculous penalty in added time.  Their away form, however, has been less than impressive; they are still waiting for their first win away from the Amsterdam ArenA this season.  As a result, they travel to Celtic Park with the same trepidation they travelled to Groningen, Heerenveen, Twente, AZ, Barca and PSV, a series of games which returned three draws and three defeats.

Dutch media have also been reminding them of a quirky record to maintain.  While Celtic eliminated Ajax the last twice the teams met in European Cup/Champions League duty, the Dutch avoided defeat on both games at Celtic Park.  For us, this is a meaningless fact, but it is an added burden of expectation on Ajax.
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  1. igertim

     

     

    14:34 on 21 October, 2013

     

     

     

    ‘In times of high unemployment and global economic recession I think people need to choose which fight they want.’

     

     

     

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    Agreed.

  2. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie on

    TIGERTIM

     

     

    That is a similar argument to the one used when The Minimum Wage was introduced.

     

     

    It was largely countered by the argument that if you canny afford to pay such a paltry sum,you really should not be in business anyway.

     

     

    There were huge scare stories at the time about swathes of people losing their jobs because of NMW. And of businesses having to close.

     

     

    Any that did were in no way viable,if such low wages constituted their margin.

     

     

    The same applies for The Living Wage. For the sake of £40 a week for a 35 hours a week staff member,yer business will close?

     

     

    Aye,right.

  3. Ernie Lynch

     

     

    For a wee while there I was awfy confused as I agreed entirely with your comments on the Living Wage. But true to form you qualified you stance and we are back to normal. There is no way at CP is there some dickensian clerk toiling away and working out what each employee/contractor will earn subject to their personal circumstances. They pay the minimum wage.. That’s it!

  4. Dontbrattbakkinanger on

    Green dreamz, you’re right; Celtic may have had altruistic origins but once the Club became viable these soon disappeared as the likes of John Glass took over the reins from Bro Walfrid.

     

     

    Celtic invented professional football in Scotland; the Club was run as a business [ with varying levels of competence] and the altruism was left to the Support, which carries it on to this day.

  5. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie on

    BILLYBHOY05

     

     

    DIckensian clerk?

     

     

    That sounds like Bob Cratchitt.

     

     

    VOGUEPUNTER bumped into him just the other day!

  6. On the wages debate :

     

     

    I have worked at a few Scottish games these past few months, but never at Celtic Park ( simply because I’d have a ticket or want to watch the game on telly ).

     

     

    I don’t think badly of, Partick Thistle for example, because I receive minimum wage ( £6.19ph., now £6.50 ). This rate applies to Bar Staff, Kiosk Staff, litter collectors…it applies across the board.

     

    Crucially, we are paid by our Agencies, not by Firhill, or Hampden or whoever contracts the Employment Agency.

     

     

    We work for this because we choose to, but, more importantly, because we must. A typical shift involves travelling time of 3 hours, to work 4 hours, pay for a £4 all day ticket, then ten days later receive £25 odd in my account.

     

     

    Celtic tomorrow will be using Agency staff. Its a contract. Some of us may be socialist, or Celtic fans, or rugby fans or apolitical students. We will all of us, be serving your pie or pint, for a net gain of twenty quid ( no tips allowed ).

     

     

    …and while typing this I’ve found out my chance of a ticket has fallen through.

     

    So tomorrow will be my first shift at Celtic Park.

     

    Be nice.

  7. darwinsbeautifulidea on

    seems to be some confusion between minimum wage which is a legal right,and employers not paying it can be taken to a tribunal,and the living wage which is a rate calculated by campaigning groups and is voluntary,both are to low in my opinion.

  8. Steinreignedsupreme on

    BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie 14:35 on 21 October, 2013

     

     

    Average. Thanks.

     

     

    I’ll drop you an email in the next couple of days. You coming up for the game tomorrow?

  9. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie on

    GREENDREAMZ

     

     

    “A persons labour is worth exactly what a potential employer is prepared to pay for it on a given day which is determined by supply and demand. Nothing else.”

     

     

    And what they can get away with.

     

     

    Enough from me on this subject. My opinion is clear,and so are those of others.

     

     

    I doubt arguing on here is going to change any of them.

     

     

    Big game the morra. And I’m gonna miss it.

     

     

    A season-defining 90 minutes like BARCA last season?

     

     

    Here’s hoping.

  10. greendreamz

     

    14:36 on

     

    21 October, 2013

     

     

    Why inflate to £12/hour? Nobody’s suggesting that.

     

     

    The ‘living wage’ is £7.45/hour. There’s nothing wrong with treating your staff with respect and if you reward them properly it’ll pay dividends in the future.

  11. Bmcup

     

     

    Seems like we have stepped back in time re: wages. Celtic should be instructing the suppliers/ sub contractors to pay the Living Wage. Many decent employers in the UK have a qualification in their Tender Documents stating the successful Tenderers must pay the Living Wage as a minimum. Celtic should do this

  12. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie on

    STEINREIGNEDSUPREME

     

     

    Oh,back in Scotland then?

     

     

    No,mate. Exiled once again till the Spring.

     

     

    Possibly longer. Liver canny take it anymore!

     

     

    I hope you’re gonna make the match if yer home. Give my sisters a wave in 111.

  13. Posters on here are saying that really, the minimum wage and the living wage are currently “bad things”.

     

     

    Would the same things be said if the discussion was about ethnic groups – would they be advocating “staying at the back of the bus” and “croppies” “knowing their place” i.e. choosing their fight?

     

     

    After all, the reality of the ethnic make up of Scotland should mean Celtic supporters should be thankful with what Celtic have achieved.

  14. Is the catering currently on offer at Celtic Park from a private firm? It seems most on here consider it dire and not much value for money.

     

     

    If this is the case why not get someone like McDonald’s in there. At least the food would be consistent , are corporately responsi hear they even offer a living wage to employees

     

     

    just a thought

     

     

    HH

     

    gsu

  15. A little perturbed that some Celtic supporters whilst perhaps not openly condoning the fact that Celtic, shamefully, at best pay the minimum wage then attempt to justify Celtic’s, alleged, refusal to pay what would be considered a living wage by stating everyone else does it. Just cannot get my head around why someone, least of all a Celt, would attempt to justify exploitation. There are some posters on here who whilst undoubtedly being Celtic supporters are of a variety I have yet to meet in person. Perhaps I should get out and about a wee bit more to look for the ever elusive ‘Right wing Tory supporting A-hole CSC’.

  16. Steinreignedsupreme on

    BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie 14:55 on 21 October, 2013

     

     

    Aye. I’m going to the game. Looking forward to it.

  17. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie on

    GREENSIDEUP

     

     

    Actually,that is a brilliant idea. Firstly,as you say,consistency of product,and they would be able to use their own staff either voluntarily within their contract or as overtime.

     

     

    Rangers could even follow our example by outsourcing to Gregg’s,not that there would be any product left after Sally had “sampled” the wares,quality purposes obviously.

     

     

    But,seriously,I think this idea should be looked at.

  18. Billy Bhoy 05

     

     

    14:45 on 21 October, 2013

     

     

    I think you have misunderstood my point.

  19. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie on

    STEINREIGNEDSUPREME

     

     

    Jealous as….

     

     

    I was at the BARCA game,which was tremendous. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.

     

     

    I also hope you can cheer on a victory.

     

     

    Could do with an e-mail from you in a few days though. Yours seems to have gone walkies.

     

     

    I lost a few when I changed ISP in August.

     

     

    A lot,actually!

  20. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie on

    STEINREIGNEDSUPREME

     

     

    I do hope you are not pointing us in the direction of a porn site,old bean?

  21. Burnley78

     

     

    13:32 on 21 October, 2013

     

     

    I don’t wear Nike. I am very aware of the labour practices they employ my last company being an organic fair trade cotton ladies hipster and boypant underwear company.

     

     

    On another note anybody passing the Glasgow Royal Infirmary I am in the old building ward 2 open visiting

  22. Steinreignedsupreme on

    BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie 15:10 on 21 October, 2013

     

     

    “I do hope you are not pointing us in the direction of a porn site,old bean?”

     

     

    Maybe I should have put ‘headstone on headstone action’ instead.

  23. If the Judean Front were playing the Left Bank Activists in a CL game tomorrow, there would still be more posts about the match than there are on here on the eve of our CL game against Ajax.

     

    I am very slightly confident ……one nil? Maybe 2-1?

     

     

     

    JJ

  24. !! Bada Bing!! Bada news. Commons and Brown are possibly our two most important players.

     

     

    JJ

  25. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS forza Oscar and Mackenzie on

    WHITEDOGHUNCH

     

     

    Bloody hell,bud. Yer not having yer problems to seek these days.

     

     

    Genuinely sorry to hear you are in hospital,mate. I hope it’s a very short stay.

     

     

    Get out and about as soon as you can.

     

     

    And get well soon!

  26. Jungle Jim

     

     

    15:19 on 21 October, 2013

     

     

     

    ‘I am very slightly confident ……one nil? Maybe 2-1?’

     

     

     

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    That’s the problem though isn’t it?

     

     

    There’s not much more you can say in the run up to a match other than stuff like that, which gets very repetitive very quickly.

  27. I know leaf junior would love a McDonalds at Celtic Park!

     

     

    On the subject of paying a living wage:

     

     

    Where possible Celtic as an employer should pay this. For work that is sub-contracted out they should only work with companies that also pay the living wage. Anything less than this is not good enough.

     

     

    Saturday’s game should have been a win. Officials in a number of games, in a number of leagues in multiple countries had some shockers!

     

     

    For anyone who hasn’t seen the “Ghost Goal”

     

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44m9ewopBGk

     

     

    Looking forward to tomorrow, I think we can edge Ajax but it will be a close game.

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