It all seems a bit cloak and dagger to suggest that pyrotechnics are smuggled into football grounds inside flags and banners. I’d always assumed the ‘stick it up your jumper’ technique would have been the delivery mechanism, not that I’ve any experience of the subject.
Flares have been an increasing menace at football games across the UK in recent years, including earlier this season at a Europa League qualifying game at McDiarmid Park, which passed off without mention in the media, but police have previously limited their interventions to lectures and the occasional arrest.
Football clubs are dependent on Police Scotland for safety licenses for games, and in their wisdom, the police have determined this action will remove one method of entering a stadium with pyrotechnics and discharging them without detection. The ‘stick it up your jumper’ technique remains, as does ‘light it while pretending to tie your laces’. Jumpers and tie-up shoes are the real enemy here.
This is an arbitrary over-reaction to the criticism Police Scotland came under for failing to properly police the vandalism at Fir Park, it will not prevent anyone intent on letting off flares inside a football ground from doing so. Over-reacting after under-policing is a well-known phenomenon. Going after flags and banners feels provocative. Coincidence?
You’re likely to find out if you’re in a provocative mood on Thursday; Police Scotland will know that provoking a crowd seldom quietens things down. The reaction to Fir Park made me hopeful that we’d seen the last flare from the Celtic support, now who knows? We’re deep in muscle flexing territory here.
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CaltonTongues#TeamOscar
I don’t go to many away games and I am not on here stirring. I was at the game the other day though and when a few wee guys broke in to song, a Celtic song, everyone around me turned round to see what was happening. Do not ever remember that happening before.
DJBEE,
That was at Celtic Park.
I’m talking about away games only.
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Strange But True..
Chris Commons Goal in the Last Old Firm derby in April 2012 was his first Goal of the Season..
Summa
That call I posted earlier does anyone know if that boy Davie posts on here ?
nnsBits
22:09 on 23 December, 2013
Kilbowie Kelt
21:30 on
…..Ere you can find a spot as sweet as Golan’s lovely braes. ‘
KK, confess I haven’t heard of that one… what’s the background?
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This song has a particular significance for me, JQB.
Golan is a couple of miles outside Milford & is the parish in which both my parents were born & reared. They both left there & met again in Glasgow where they married & reared a family in Clydebank. I was taken there as a 4 year old child when we were escaping the horrors of the Blitz. The first year of my limited ‘education’ was in nearby Carrownaganonagh School.
The song itself was a favourite with my wee da ( along with Skibereen) when he had had a wee refreshment.
Tonight it is my turn to be singing these great songs.
And on & on……..
Hope you are well.
Strange but True…
Chris Commons actually spells his name KRIS Commons
:-)
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Krist..!!
They will be Telling Us Jesus is Spelt Jeezus..
Still disnae make Him a Natural Goalscorer..;-)
Summa
Ps..Should it Not be Commons’s..Ha Ha
I don’t want to make a political point but Chic Brodie SNP Deputy Convener of the Public Petitions Committee wants to extend my petition to include, P2, Opus Dei, and wait for it St Vincent de Paul!
I am long removed from participating in the RC church except for the ocassional family thing but St Vincent de Paul? I thought that they were just a charitable thing and not any sort of secret society?
Ok fair enough, away games only are we not allowed to sing at home games now, or take banners or wee flags to away games. One rule for Celtic fans, they try to paint all Celtic fans as pyro nuts setting off pyro under banners, smashing seats, writing laws and creating media hysteria, that is what they are doing.
Any vids doing the rounds of our new young Icelandic player?
big Nan
You are correct. St Vincent De Paul is a purely charitable organisation.
Just ordinary people prepared to give up their time with the sole purpose of making other peoples lives a bit easier.
Think your SNP chap may have a wee agenda
Naw, Summa.
It would have been spelled JESHUA.
Jeshua bar Josef.
I was in his class in primary school.
Big nan
Someone needs to have a quiet word with Chico who no doubt thinks he’s a cheekiness chappy!
If he wanted to be taken seriously he would have had the decency to mention organisations like the OO etc
Sounds like a hurting Hun to me!
Good luck with the petition!
HH
DJBEE
23:06 on
23 December, 2013
Ok fair enough, away games only are we not allowed to sing at home games now, or take banners or wee flags to away games. One rule for Celtic fans, they try to paint all Celtic fans as pyro nuts setting off pyro under banners, smashing seats, writing laws and creating media hysteria, that is what they are doing.
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Different argument, I will deal with that eventually.
The pyro thing has been going for a few years within our support. The first time I noticed it was the Berwick away cup game – very open air dump – not a problem but, when they started and, have continued, using them in confined spaces, different story.
My main point is that the police on duty are, and have been for years, very receptive of the Celtic away support.
Burghbhoy
23:09 on 23 December, 2013
big Nan
You are correct. St Vincent De Paul is a purely charitable organisation.
Just ordinary people prepared to give up their time with the sole purpose of making other peoples lives a bit easier.
Think your SNP chap may have a wee agenda
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I knew the late Arthur McKenna who ran the Lochgelly CSC and he was a great St V d P man, if we had anything decent that was being put out, such as beds, furniture, clothing Arthur and some of his boys would be round in a shot to take it away for the needy.
I’m talking about big stuff, wardrobes, dining room tables and the like.
Anyway this Chic fella wants them treated the same as P2 and the Orange Order.
Paranoid but plausible is the proposition that the SNP has given up hope of any significant RC ‘Yes’ vote and has decided the bigot vote is the better option. Hence the OBA and the identification of the Celtic support as the enemy within.
67Heaven … I am Neil Lennon, supporting WEE OSCAR..!!.. Ibrox belongs to the creditors
21:13 on
23 December, 2013
can i have raspberry on that champions league ice cream
21:07 on 23 December, 2013
It suits the LL to tarnish our Board, and it also suits some of our own to do so ……. There are dark forces at work here, to discredit Celtic at every opportunity…….but, as ever, we will prevail…it’s in our breed, like that auld…….
Our board are not innocent in this.I said earlier we have a shocking PR dept. for a club of our size.Much of the bad feeling directed at the board could be avoided by letting us know what is going on.I f they had no part in this agreement why did they not say so?.
Just read that the ban has been lifted. Regardless, the fact that police are engaging in such petty-minded, pathetic decisions demands a clear message to be sent to them.
It also needs to be made utterly clear that this decision was a clear attack on the Celtic fans.
If the safety issue was genuine then the ban would have been on every game.
But specifically this fixture? A clear declaration of the mind-set of the senior police.
The clearest message from this utter farce is that Police Scotland are intent on attacking Celtic fans in any way they can.
Police Scotland, open up your sphincters, pull you heads out, get past your bigoted thinking and do your job properly and professionally. Stop taking decisions and actions which only make the situation worse.
Police senior officers are always talking about safety, avoiding potential flare ups (no pun intended) or riots.
If you are genuine, then a friendly, helpful approach is what’s needed. Not bullying and thuggery in uniform.
Had the police in Amsterdam taken such an approach there wouldn’t have been a problem. But look what happened.
If the police in Seville had taken the same approach there would have been headlines of mass arrests and riots. Instead, the authorities were helpful and welcoming. Look at what happened there.
It’s only common sense.
Kilbowie Kelt
22:59 on
23 December, 2013
the blood fairly sings ;)
Milford would be one of those many places I’ve bypassed on the road from Letterkenny to Bunbeg, in the race for a pint at Kitty’s – I don’t know that top leg of the county at all, that will need to be rectified.
What’s the tune to the song, or does it have it’s own?
Hope you are well also amigo
Big nan
Seems to me the Chic fella is doing his own Christine Graham bit and trying to even things up.
Yet again like the Offensive behaviour bill it’s comparing apples and pears.
My Dad has been an SVP volunteer for 40 years and would be horrified in sure to read the comparisons .
Best of luck with your petition
Picking up on someone point earlier.If a political figure of a Celtic persuasion was to attend the match at Perth holding a Celtic flag. The media scrub that would follow may raise the profile down south and highlight the injustice we are exposed to .Mr Galloway please step forward sir
St Vincent de Paul
I really try to keep an objective view on stuff, trying to counter the realisation that some of my views have a natural bias. But I’m struggling with stuff lately – I’m hoping they’re just fuds.
Hail hail all, a wee story coming up in the next few days. Hope you all have a Christmas that surpasses the first time you put your stocking on the mantlepiece;-) For the younger Site see-ers or even ‘seers’, that was the tiled shelf above the open fire!:-D where we toasted bread and baked tatties. Keep the faith in why we are who we are, there seems to be a plague of ‘being affronted’ spreading like a contagion. I’ve known far bleaker days in our History than this. Believe me, this is just another confused dying breath of egotism. Let them expire in the swamp of ridicule that is about to engulf them. Hail hail, Estadio.
Cheers Burghbhoy.
cheap train tickets available for inverness at face value for good tims with or without flegs !
“They’ll be hanging men and wumin for the wearing o’ the green” shower of tagers.
Ok, the police on duty seem to be fair. The pyro crap is wee guys who I think the support will sort out because they are damaging the club and it is childish and dangerous. The police on duty have been fair, you are correct but if the police on duty are told by there superiors to go in and take a wee flag off a guy who is doing nothing illegally wrong… If the Top Management in the police have decided to do this of there own accord and act beyond the law! Then they are breaking the law, it is that simple. The police cannot make the rules up as they go along. They are there to uphold the law, not to make it. That is my point and it is that simple, I have respect for the ordinary policeman but if they are given a command they will do it. It may end up that they have broken a law and may lose their job for following an order, now who is to blame for that.
Oh God,
I’ve counted two already.
Not Estadio btw.
What to do-:)
Estadio,
nice to see ye back, is it a story that will make the ice cream and jeely even more special than normal at this time of year?
gebhoy
jimmyquinnsbits
23:20 on 23 December, 2013
Milford is the village of my father’s birth…..will read back now to ascertain why it was mentioned tonight…
JJimmyQuinn’sBits,
There is no way that I could write out the notes of Golan’s Braes & I know no other song with the same tune.
No matter.
If you are ever unlucky enough to be around Glasgow in the afternoon or early evening, then you are welcome to have a rendition you are unlikely to forget.
To make up for it,…I will buy the beer.
Good Luck.
Season´s greetings CQN´rs
As away games go, this years seven goal skooshing, drubbing of Hearts will take some beating down the years. Never an easy place to go to, as the old saying goes, Celtic lit up the capital city that wondrous evening, into green, white and gold fireworks and turned on a show that would have the manager at peace with himself after the turbulent matches he has had to live through there as Celtic Manager at Swinecastle
Happy Noo Year to all
Hail hail
St Vincent de Paul
Life dedicated to charity and helping the poor. Is his French nationallity the problem?
Caltontongues, who u talkin about?
Estadio, great to see u back
estadio
23:26 on 23 December, 2013
Exactly…..we must stay focused on resisting their agenda together…….the GB fell into ‘their’ trap, and the Celtic Board also ……. We need to ‘speak as one’ ….’move forward as one’ …let them ‘do their best’ …..it has never been good enough, and it never will be……HH
Good to see you on Estadio with your usual keen perception. Picture of an angry dying fly buzzing on its back . I am looking forward to your Christmas story. Have a great one yersel. Just finished work and off till the 6th. Hail Hail. Stay cool in Perth hoops. Celebrate the Celtic way.
DJBEE
23:29 on
23 December, 2013
Ok, the police on duty seem to be fair. The pyro crap is wee guys who I think the support will sort out because they are damaging the club and it is childish and dangerous. The police on duty have been fair, you are correct but if the police on duty are told by there superiors to go in and take a wee flag off a guy who is doing nothing illegally wrong… If the Top Management in the police have decided to do this of there own accord and act beyond the law! Then they are breaking the law, it is that simple. The police cannot make the rules up as they go along. They are there to uphold the law, not to make it. That is my point and it is that simple, I have respect for the ordinary policeman but if they are given a command they will do it. It may end up that they have broken a law and may lose their job for following an order, now who is to blame for that.
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I agree but why allow pissed up assholes into the game when the law came in after the riot game in 1980?
Honestly, the only thing Celtic fans should worry about is the OB Law which is open to interpretation – too many, and many still to be made up…….
But, and I’m sure most of the guys who go to away games will confirm there isn’t, and hasn’t, been a problem with the police who actually police.
HH~sooty~
Celtic and Police Scotland are at odds with each other over the issue of flags and banners at… http://t.co/WXoToCEl8q
Estadio
Hail Hail yer like Santa Claus!! Once a year..