Celtic await ratification of Guidetti’s transfer by the SFA. The player travelled to Glasgow yesterday afternoon and quickly concluded a deal with Celtic, but it took until late in the evening before paperwork arrived from Manchester.
Aware of the delay, Celtic applied to the SFA for an extension. The SFA authorised the extension and subsequently received all relevant paperwork, Celtic believed they were over the line, but I understand we are in new territory with respect to extensions, so the SFA have asked Fifa for guidance.
Paperwork was submitted considerably before Manchester United completed the 2am signing of Radamel Falcao, so there is reason for hope, but it’s not clear in Glasgow what discretion the FA used to register Falcao. The same may or may not be available to the SFA.
There are also time constraints, player lists for Uefa group stage competitions need to be completed by 23:00 tonight, and we can’t add the player until Fifa issue guidance to the SFA.
If Celtic wanted a more complicated transfer than Guidetti they surely found it with our Serbian striker, Stefan Scepovic. Transfers involving influences across multiple countries are often difficult……
One thing Celtic are clear about is the endurance of the player, who had to sit through difficult hours in order to make the deal happen. He kept his nerve as others tried to sell him to Getafe – who were under no Financial Fair Play restrictions.
We’ll do a wrap-up of the window tomorrow.
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Bawsman
I think the point I am making is that plenty of people from across the continent were involved in the slave trade but you seem to only want to focus on one group of people.
Do you abhor these actions by all the people who did it or just the Scots?
Question on football transfers and specifically loans deals.
How is the availability of players and the need for players aligned in this market?
If you need a striker and you scout a good one, you approach the club with an offer. So far so good, but how do you know how long is left on the contract?
Players are put on transfer lists internally but how to buyers know?
Is there a restricted database where clubs can put players up for loan or sale or is it really all about getting the rolodex out and calling all agents and contacts at clubs to find a deal?
It feels a coincidence that clubs (like us) can shift a few players on loan all at once. feels like there is a ‘stock exchange’ out there for trading.
this sounds a remarkably dumb question that i should know the answer to but I work in moving assets and have bought a few houses and technology has been there in those industries for years
Anyone?
What is happening with the Guidetti deal. Surely it doesn’t take this long.
Then again obviously it does!
Snake Plissken
15:38 on 2 September, 2014
I think the point is that the nats are suggesting that if Scotland leaves the UK that somehow atones for, or rectifies, or absolves the Scots from responsibility for the harm done by British imperialism.
JF
“You see, I don’t think that it IS irrelevant at all.
Unless you think wanting to spare our young men and woman another Iraq is irrelevant?
I know very well what the relevance of my point was.”
You did it again. You focus on the rightness of opposing the war on Iraq. A position shared by me and you and the BNP. We opposed it despite having contrary views on the flag to those held by the BNP. That is why the flag was irrelevant. You may not have strong views on the flag of Denmark, but they are a small independent country who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. You may not have anything against the flag of Belgium but they slaughtered in the Congo just as much as the British Empire. Even the Arab States had a history in the Slave trade and the Germans caused WW2.
We still have to deal with all of those in their modern terms. Now, again, please address my core point, Is it insulting to our forefathers that they expressed their aspirations via a political party with British Unionist principles, a party you also supported when a British flag was flown?
Flags are not our enemy. They are an irrelevance.
James Forrest – I like your posts on here always interesting, you probably don’t need me to tell you that you wear your heart on your sleeve, sure you already know that, but do you know there are certain posters who come on here basically just looking for an argument? You’re wasting your time engaging with them as they will contradict you just for the hell of it.
The past is the past, I have respct for your stance and how you argue it, you do it well.
I particularly agree with your statement:
“a wish to do better, and be a positive and honest example to the world, is what motivates a lot of us in wanting to make our own decisions.”
I wish the same, I feel passionately that this can be done better and more effectively together with UNIFIED brothers and sisters in Europe, not as a stand alone backwater. Independence WILL result in Scotland dropping out of the EU with (I believe) no chance of re-entry under conditions as beneficial as we have at the moment.
Devo Max works for me.
Frank Ryan’s Whiskey
13:52 on 2 September, 2014
quonno
13:43 on 2 September, 2014
“Its a bit like the good old days in Northern Ireland when Catholics were welcome to vote Unionist but under no circumstances could they become party members”
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Or when Scottish troops ran riot through nationalist areas. No doubt some of those brave boys are now voting yes.
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Sorry, Frank, but it is a gross distortion to suggest that these thuggish degenerates will be likely to vote YES.
You know as well as I do from which section of our society these ‘brave lads’ come.
They will much more likely be marching through Edinburgh on the day before the vote to make it clear which side they are on.
VOTE YES if you want to thank them for what they did in Derry & Belfast.
ernie lynch
15:36 on
2 September, 2014
I think you probably meant to say specifically rather than accurately, but then you’re a nat, and they can be a bit fast and loose when it comes to detail.
Specifically in your answer i can smell b***shit, if it smells like b***shit it can accurately be described as such
Never mind getting Guidetti registered before the midnight Europa League squad deadline.
If he hasn’t registered down at John St by 5 pm then he won’t be able to vote!!!
Then where will we be? What will have been the point in signing him in the first place?
This is a clear attempt by the Labour and Tory men on the Board to prevent our new signing from voting. Disgrace!
Maybe you should re-state what your core point was.
It’s gotten lost somewhere.
Ask me what you will.
SSN saying Guidetta is trying to arrange his release from Man City so he can sign as a free transfer.
Snake Plissken
15:38 on
2 September, 2014
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You are agreeing with me mate.
James’s arguement was all attrocities were under the Union flag, I argue the flag was incidental there were Scots, Irish, English, Dutch,French, knee deep in it for PERSONAL gain, the fleg is not to blame, people were.
Thought for the day.
Will the SNP have appointed a Catholic to be a Cabinet Minister by the time of the next referendum?
Just Another Tim
15:48 on 2 September, 2014
Does he not have to have been a free agent prior to the deadline?
Just Another Tim
15:48 on
2 September, 2014
SSN saying Guidetta is trying to arrange his release from Man City so he can sign as a free transfer
Is that so he can join us or join any club he chooses I wonder ?
Marti
Bawsman:
I have tremendous respect for that view mate, but it’s the UK that is becoming more hostile towards Europe, and that’s going to hurt us very badly if we stay part of the union. Scotland, by and large, has a much more positive relationship with, and view of, Europe than the UK as a whole. We are the only region that is broadly certain to vote No in a referendum to withdraw. This, too, is one of the reasons I am voting Yes.
I don’t think there is a prayer of the EU not taking us or imposing harsh conditions to let us join. The legalities of stripping EU citizenship from 5 million people because they voted for self determination in a referendum sanctioned by their union partners … they are almost insurmountable and for that reason alone it’s a non-starter.
Thought for the day ii,
In an independent Scotland will a Catholic be allowed to be top dawg?
lionroars67
15:45 on 2 September, 2014
I can’t help thinking bull***t would have been more appropriate than b***shit.
What was that I was saying about detail?
Just Another Tim:
That, actually, would work out much better for us.
Get him on a three year deal Pedro!
Taken from the STV website, sorry if already posted
Celtic have begun the process of having John Guidetti’s transfer from Manchester City ratified by FIFA.
The striker arrived in Glasgow ahead of the transfer deadline on September 1 to complete his move to Celtic but, despite agreement from both clubs and the player, the formalities were not completed before the stated cut-off time.
STV understands that Celtic have now contacted the SPFL and gained approval for the player to be registered for domestic competition if all the formalities are completed with FIFA, who govern all international transfers.
The Glasgow club have now asked the Scottish FA to approach FIFA on their behalf to have the transfer fully approved.
The mitigating circumstances are understood to be that the process of submitting details of the deal through FIFA’s Transfer Matching System had begun before the transfer deadline.
There is no set time-scale for FIFA to rule on the request but a case is expected to be sent to the world football governing body within 24 hours.
That may mean that Guidetti’s move is not approved ahead of the deadline for Europa League squads to be registered to UEFA, with the European organisation to make their own decision on his eligibility.
jungle jim
13:56 on 2 September, 2014
ernie
I certainly don`t know how much money it takes to change the odds from 1/9 to 1/4 but I doubt it will be on the scale of that which backed the Darien Scheme 0:-).
JJ
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Ernie
Did you lose a few groats on the auld Darien Scheme?
Is that why you’re so agin giving it another whirl?
;-)
HH jamesgang
setting free the bears for Res. 12 & Oscar Knox but saying no to CQN racists
15:34 on
2 September, 2014
I agree wholeheartedly that the sectarian religious card is the lowest form of politics being debated on the blog, it is an irrelevance and posters should really read recent articles from Tam devine and the excellent Kevin Mckenna to understand why
I have no idea why posters on the blog who are SNP members do not declare themselves as SNP party members if indeed there are many in number, i know Snake Plissen has declared his SNP membership, if i may ask SFTB, how many Labour party members have declared their labour party membership on CQN ? i couldn’t name one Labour party member i know of on CQN
Of course its a private matter what someone’s political opinions and political affiliations are and there is no requirement to disclose that on a blog
Geordie Munro
15:52 on 2 September, 2014
‘Thought for the day ii,
In an independent Scotland will a Catholic be allowed to be top dawg?’
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Do you mean monarch or Prime Minister?
If the former, then no, as at present.
If the latter, then yes. Just like at Westminster.
But obviously not under an SNP government. Not unless they break with tradition and start to appoint Catholic Cabinet ministers.
Geordie Munro:
It’s actually Salmond and the SNP who proposed the Westminster motion that the Act of the Union should be amended in exactly that fashion.
Technically, there is no rule against a Catholic becoming Prime Minister. There is, however, one against a Catholic being Chancellor, as that position’s actual title is First Lord of the Treasury and it used to be the senior political post in the country, and requires an oath of aliegiance to the Crown and the Church.
Marti Sandino
15:51 on
2 September, 2014
Just Another Tim
15:48 on
2 September, 2014
SSN saying Guidetta is trying to arrange his release from Man City so he can sign as a free transfer
Is that so he can join us or join any club he chooses I wonder ?
Marti
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The report implied it was so he can sign for us. Also had pictures of him outside CP yesterday afternoon.
From PA: “The Scottish FA are to appeal to FIFA on behalf of Celtic to have the loan signing of Manchester City striker John Guidetti ratified.”
Bawsman
Dont forget the Spanish from 1492 till about 1700, among the worst of the lot.
SFTB @ 15.34
“P.S. It should still be ok for Celts to declare themselves as SNP people on here. Why do they not?”
That got me wondering. On the basis that – to the best of my knowledge – none of the YES voters among my circle of family and friends are SNP members I wondered how many SNP members there actually are.
The number I found (from March 2013) may well be out of date but was 25,000.
Now, if today’s YouGov poll is to be believed (I know, polls…….) there are something in the region of 1.8-2.0 million people in Scotland intending to vote YES. That would suggest that over 98.5% of those who currently say they support independence are NOT SNP members.
JF @15.29
“Now who’s reading into things what they want?….
Where did I ever make such a suggestion? Where did I ever “align” with that view? ”
I’m afraid it is still you. My original post, as you will recall, was addressed to JF & quonno,
therefore that part of the offence was committed by quonno which I reproduce below. It has been a common line of attack, as you must admit, by YES voters in this campaign and it is very off-putting, i.e. poor electioneering.
The quonno quote:-
“In my own twisted way, I have taken great pleasure watching Better Together getting its knickers in a twist trying to distance itself from folk like UKIP, BNP and Orange Order.
Its a bit like the good old days in Northern Ireland when Catholics were welcome to vote Unionist but under no circumstances could they become party members.”
Now, James, are you really saying that you have been ultra-careful NOT to make that kind of jibe, not to point out the association of the NO campaign with the OO/BNP & UKIP, and that I will not see that made in your writings.
I need to go out and cut a hedge. that should give you time to check that there is no incriminating evidence of you straying into that territory.
Now, how do you feel about being on the same side as the BNP in the Iraq war vote? I think it is the 3rd time I have asked :-)
ernie lynch
15:50 on
2 September, 2014
Just Another Tim
15:48 on 2 September, 2014
Does he not have to have been a free agent prior to the deadline?
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I’m not really sure. If that is the case there would be no point to him trying to get released so maybe the deadline has no bearing.
This Tactic that is noo ,in Vogue ,at Celtic..
is
Bloody Brilliant!
“Nae Money wull Chinge Hauns ,until Ah get a Shot at Trying oot The Product .. that ye Pit in the Windae!”
Ah llke that Idea ,so Much That Ah wull repeat whit Ah think aboot it!
“Bloody Marvellous!” ( Ye said.. “Bloody Brilliant” . the Last time..ed)( So Ah did.. OOPS!)
Peter, Ah am Proud o Ye.. Whita Great C.E.O. we hiv,so.
Kojo
Still,Laughin’
Bawsman
Sorry if I picked you up wrong. 100% it was individuals who used connections to make themselves money. That it fell under the British, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch or Belgian flags is an irrelevance.
Alasdair Lamont @BBCAlLamont · 1m
SPFL are supportive of Celtic’s case – they’re happy paperwork, etc was in order but submitted after Fifa deadline.
Alasdair Lamont @BBCAlLamont · 8m
The SFA are contacting Fifa to make case for John Guidetti’s loan move from Man City to Celtic to proceed, despite the deadline being missed
James Forrest is praying for The Unconquerable Oscar Knox
15:52 on 2 September, 2014
‘I don’t think there is a prayer of the EU not taking us or imposing harsh conditions to let us join.’
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Ach well, that’ll be OK then.
So long as you’re sure about it.
And we’ll be OK in a currency union with the UK will we? (Because obviously that WILL happen, right?)
And when they vote to leave the EU (which again WILL happen), it’ll be OK to be members of the EU when we have a currency union with a non eu state.
ernie lynch
15:53 on
2 September, 2014
It appears that your expert prediction on a 2-1 landslide win for the no campaign has no detailed analysis behind it ? i have very accurately described that prediction as b***shit, i will leave the readers to make their own minds up on how accurate my description is
I hear from me man city mate , Guidetti is very good – hope uefa get a move on and ratify/ don’t ratify
setting free the bears for Res. 12 & Oscar Knox but saying no to CQN racists:
A specious and ludicrous point.
Yes, knock yourself out on going through everything I have ever written in my life to make sure I have never suggested Celtic fans should be predisposed towards independence, and that the same applies to Irish nationalism.
What bugs me the most is not the contempt you and others hold for the idea of independence. That is a perfectly legitimate view although I have yet to hear one person mount a convincing case for why the union is better.
No, what gets under the skin slightly it the contempt you and others appear to have for every single person who has made the decision to support it. It’s almost as if you are incapable of believing we arrived at this place through rational thought, cold analysis and reasoned discussion with like-minded people.
I’ll repeat something here. I was not a supporter of independence when the campaign began. I have been won over. I have been turned and it was not appeals to emotion but appeals to reason. It was not appeals to sentiment but appeals to intellect.
Go on and tell me how we all lack intellect, that it’s our stupidity, our blind romanticism, our emotions and not our brains which are at work here.
You don’t appear to want a serious argument. How do I feel about my opposition to the Iraq war putting me on the same side as the BNP?
Is that what you’ve got? Really?