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  1. jimthetim53 on

    GFTB, Apologies pal I should have sent that you, it was in reply to your story. I got mixed up with DD.

  4. Gary67 on

    Re. Tuesday and AEK. Moussa’s back, 3-1 Hoops.First goal vital, they’ll sit in and counter if we don’t get it, it’s the only way they play.

  5. Gerryfaethebrig on

    Big Packy 7.06pm

     

     

    It’s GerryfaeTenerife :-)

     

     

    Good to see you and DD bury the hatchett, it’s only a daft blog so no use writing arguments (been there done that :-) BUT I can assure you one thing Glenboag is never in the Brig :-)

     

     

    JimTheTim nae bother was delighted to read that a fellow poster was scared of the water like me :-)

  7. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    If we are fortunate enough to get a bid for Boyata we should sell Brendan got it wrong telling big Peter to turn down Fulhams offer for the player.Brendan read the situation wrong.He also in my opinion messed up his team selection yesterday we should play one game at a time and worry about the European tie when it happens but yesterday his mind appeared to be more on AEK Athens than it was on Hearts and it cost us dearly. We are weaker than we were last season when we should be building on success we need to bring in at least 3 players a midfielder and two defenders if we dont we are in danger of having a very difficult season. H.H.

  8. i'vehadtochangemymind on

    Our annual CB problem – is it because they are the hardest to find because they are the position clubs are least willing to sell?

  9. Delaneys Dunky on

    JFH

     

    We’re doomed laddie. FFS Calm doon.

     

    What were you like at the start of Wim’s season.

     

    2 games in breathe deep and relax.

     

    YNWA

  10. big packy 1 on

    GERRYFAETHEBRIG, cant convince you glenboag is the nice part of the brig, but Gerry christies bakery. nuff said hh.

  12. Delaneys Dunky on

    I reckon that Tom Rogic will attain World Class status soon. Whit a great fitba player we have here. Magical Oz Genius.

     

    YNWA

  15. Auldheid on

    This just came up from Twitter. The author is a Greek Lawyer specialising in sports law but you would think his general theme would be right at home on Celtic blog given its topicality so here it is:

     

     

    The Economics of Football and the Curious Case of Club Governance

     

     

    The present post diverts slightly from its usual reference to specific issues of sports law and refers its readers to more generalised concepts of football governance, by focusing on club policy and decision making, regarding player recruitment/evaluation. Inevitably, the analysis draws on the importance of the doctrine of commodification and considers how such doctrine affects the internal relationships in a club, as well as the club’s relationship with its fans and supporters.

     

     

     

     

    One would be hard pressed to deny the validity of the argument that football is a commodity. Consequently, those in charge of football clubs, see player recruitment and evaluation as a major part of the club’s decision making, simply because the players (assets) will determine the profitability of the business (football club) in the short term, as well as in the long one. Although economic trends in the earlier years and specifically during the 80s and 90s may suggest that football clubs in England would focus primarily on the win maximisation doctrine, similar trends in the current economic climate point towards an adaptation of the profit maximisation doctrine.

     

     

     

    In the premises, it is suggested that any comparison between win maximisation and profit maximisation, particularly in the long run, may not yield safe results, as the policies and decision making of a club may change from one season to another. It is arguable that the main revenue of the club comes from broadcasting rights, ticket sales, merchandise and general and specific sponsorship opportunities. As such, club owners would seek to maintain a profit maximisation principle, in a very similar fashion witnessed in American sport where decision makers would seek to apply profit maximisation through different commercial activities. We have been witnessing such trend, in the last few years in the Premier League in England, and this is a trend that is likely to continue in the coming years.

     

     

    The above analysis suggests that although club owners may be prepared to take some losses in the short term (this may not be the case where the business medium/vehicle is subject to demanding loans secured against the club’s assets), it is submitted that in the long term, club owners would seek to maximise profits, via a series of different commercial activities that relate to the performance of the football club. Inevitably, acquisition of assets (players) would demand higher expenditure (save where there is ample academy talent) and, in essence, club owners would want to see a considerable return in such investments. Although, profit maximisation may be dependent upon performance of assets on the pitch, nevertheless, any such asset acquisition would demand consideration of its future sale value. Consequently, the decision making of a club owner may be in direct conflict with that of the club manager/coach.

     

     

    This inevitably points towards an important consideration that relates to club governance. Old traditional club governance was indicative of the club owner/president’s influence in the player recruitment, whereas in more modern times the club manager/coach is free and solely responsible for football matters, including player recruitment. We have recently seen, however, that the old traditional style of governance may severely influence the relationship between a club manager and its owner. Although the club manager, by definition, is/should be the sole person with responsibility for player recruitment, the club owner may veto the manager’s plans and requests, by citing, club ‘traditions’, focus on youth development and future sale values. While all these principles cannot be dismissed at face value, success on the pitch cannot be determined by what the club owner considers to be appropriate off it. If that was the determinative factor, the role of the manager would move towards redundancy.

     

     

    Moreover, there may be the case where the manager’s frustration, for missing out on specific recruitment targets, is aired in a public manner. A prudent advice here would be for the manager to refrain from channeling such frustration via the Media. Those interested in football and its governance know very well that it is hardly ever the case that a manager negotiates on a player’s transfer. It follows, therefore, that failure of the club to acquire a player does not rest with the manager, but with the person who is responsible for such negotiation, who is usually the CEO and/or its advisors/negotiators. Similarly, a club must never expose the manager publicly and veto his recruitment plans in a public manner, solely in an attempt to justify its decision not to meet with such plans. Such disagreement must remain private and must be clarified via the existing internal mechanisms.

     

     

    In addition to the above, one must be very careful with the ‘information’ they supply to the Media, particularly when such information produces several demonstrable flaws. For example, they may argue that there had been no discussions over a particular player, when in fact, a number of different people are aware of the argument to the contrary, as well as of the particulars of the potential agreement (especially when the selling club had reduced its demands considerably). In a similar light, one must be careful not to underestimate the intelligence of people by making reference to the playing capabilities of existing staff and the ones the manager demanded for acquisition, in an attempt to justify his/her failure to acquire the latter. It is one thing relaying to the manager, in private, that the players he has are good enough to win titles and he has to prove his worth by bringing the best out of such players and it is another thing showing to the world that you know better than the manager.

     

     

    Arguably, there is a dichotomy of responsibilities and expertise, where one is able to complete business deals, including player transfers, off the pitch, and where the other is able to produce success on the pitch. In a similar light, if you boast that you are able to attract the bigger names, you should be able to deliver them too. It is not good enough saying that you can do great things in the transfer market, where the facts and the evidence clearly demonstrate that you cannot. It follows, therefore, that internal disagreements must never see the light of the day and become the subject of public scrutiny, as such disagreements indicate a certain level of incompetence and have the potential of affecting relationships on and off the pitch.

     

     

    Finally, the present analysis also demonstrates the differences in football governance. Such deferences, consequently, determine the application of a particular economic model, which, in turn, demonstrates the real intention of those running a football club. It is arguable that private ownership of a football club takes away democratic values in the decision making and precludes social inclusion. The latter also supports the probity of the argument that football fans/supporters are powerless in facilitating changes in their beloved football club and are left outside any decision making mechanisms, despite the fact that they are the power that determines the history, the present and the future of such club. Although allowing fans/supporters to be part of the decision making (or even ownership), by creating supporters’ trusts, can never be part of a club’s private ownership, it is, nevertheless, valid to suggest that such supporters’ ownership may be a workable solution.

     

     

    The above may lead one to conclude that sometimes fairness and convenience are at odds; in this case, where decision making and club governance via the involvement of fans/supporters are concerned, they speak with a single voice…

     

     

    Dr Gregory Ioannidis*

     

    12 August 2018

     

     

    http://lawtop20.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-economics-of-football-and-curious.html

  16. 16 roads. on

    GFTB – Tuesday’s game is far more important, the players will get a lot more protection from a proper referee.

     

     

    DD – Tough and depressing week mo chara.

     

    We learn move on tho.

     

    Petec is over in a few weeks time, I texted your old pal Danny Bhoy in Doire, hopefully going for a few beers.

     

     

    NYE BEVANS’ – Stands to reason.

     

     

    DANSO_1888 – Yes Danso still here and I am old enough to remember the old bullring – mental but fond memories. Maybe ye should move back to the Murph chief, ditch the negative waves. Only messing.

     

     

    HH. ?

  21. Auldheid on

    Joe Filippis Haircut on 12th August 2018 7:15 pm

     

     

    I disagree. You have one shot at staying in the CL qualifying race. You have 36 other shots at winning the SPL title.

  22. Gerryfaethebrig on

    Just about to head out for some grub just imagine we had signed a £7m+ striker (Odsonne) bought a midfielder Rogic (extension when we thought he might be off) and signed a Costa Rican right back mainstay in their World Cup campaign …. fling in the Griff getting back on the park and Moussa Dembele (so far) staying ….

     

     

    We can all look out the same window and see different things

     

     

    Hail Hail

  23. iPaddy McCourt on

    I hope to Christ this injury feigning shitebag imposter Boyata gets punted for big money and then gets found out to be very obviously average player he is. No better than Efe, Mulgrew and a long list of others

     

     

    His performance at the scumdome when we beat them 3-2 in April was a fucking embarrassment and his ten teammates bailed him out big time

  24. Excommunicated bhoy 1888 on

    Who would win

     

    The soul searching £49 sycophantic suck up’s ?

     

    Or,

     

    The No old firm, No PLC, Set the Celtic Free, Empty Seat Rebels ?

     

    Asking for a friend, thanks.

     

    HH

     

    Later.

  29. the_huddle on

    MARSPAPA on 12TH AUGUST 2018 7:56 PM

     

    Does anyone think we will get offered the same money for Boyata

     

     

     

     

    now clubs know about the dispute he has with the club?

     

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    The £9mill was an English premium price that ship sailed last Thursday. If we get half that from Euro land we’ll be lucky

  30. Joe Filippis Haircut on

    Delaneys Dunky. I have to admit in Wms reign I wasnt to happy I doubt if you were either but we are in position of strength over the last two seasons and in my opinion we should be building on it and I fail to see us doing that mind you the transfer window has another 2 weeks or so to run. H.H.

  31. gene on

    Gene

     

    I’ve had 3 of previous

     

    Biddulph bhoy

     

    genesabhoysname

     

    jophes

     

     

    honestyisthebestpolicyCSC

  32. Delaneys Dunky on

    16roads

     

    I miss the wee Bankie/Doire man fae here TriColouredRibbon.

     

    Haste him hame.

     

    YNWA

  34. Delaneys Dunky on

    JFH

     

    I loved Wim’s reign. He gave us King of Kings and stopped their 10.

     

    Wim Jansen Celtic Legend.

  35. Jimmynotpaul on

    D.D. 8.12

     

    Yes, I enjoyed his posts too.

     

    Another is Babasinico.

     

    He popped in a good few months back to say hello and that he was having a few issues.

     

    Babas.

     

    If your lurking, I hope you are well.

     

    Hail Hail

  38. saltires en sevilla on

    DD

     

     

    Wim involved in 2 of my significant Celtic memories.

     

     

    One despondant, one ecstatic.

     

     

    Wonderful football man

     

     

    PermsnbreakawaysCSC

  40. marspapa on

    THE HUDDLE

     

     

    Indeed your correct , I thought the offer was from a three way , Fulham , Bordeaux and Sevilla

     

    That does alter things now .

  42. Big Georges Fan Club - Hail, Hail, Wee Oscar on

    DELANEYS DUNKY on 12TH AUGUST 2018 6:19 PM

     

    BGFC

     

     

    Hope I am still in your band?

     

     

    I have the voice of an angel. Fallen angel :))

     

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    DD – the wee man has been practicing some Bob M on the guitar – will be up your street.

     

     

    HH

     

     

     

    BGFC

     

     

    YNWA

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