Sir David Murray, Campbell Ogilvie, Dave King, as directors of a football club, you presided over tax evasion. While ordinary men and women have no choice, or criminal urge, to avoid paying for public services, you directed a deception on an industrial scale.
Sir David Murray and Campbell Ogilvie have their influence and signatures all over this act. The SFA was quick to discipline and sine die Craig Whyte after he was out of the game, it must now charge Murray and Ogilvie with bringing the game into disrepute. The stale influence of cronyism at Hampden must be routed and seen to be so.
The SPFL instructed an inquiry three years ago but with this verdict in, the SFA must appoint their own inquiry.
Why did the processes at Hampden allow this to happen and continue without check?
Why did Rangers get their European licence in 2011 despite being in arrears to HMRC, in contravention of that licence? Who was responsible for this decision?
Why was a director and signatory of Rangers illegal tax schemes elected and reappointed president of the SFA?
How transparent were the SFA and the SPL in their handling of these tax evasion charges?
Was the SPL inquiry commissioned to uncover the facts, or to meet a desired objective? Who prepared the inquiry remit and who signed off on that remit?
Lord Nimmo Smith found that legally executed Employee Benefit Trusts did not confer a significant sporting advantage. In light of what I have already read of the verdict, we must now discover if such widespread illegal Employee Benefit Trusts conferred a sporting advantage. This question has not been asked yet.
It’s time for football to shake off the shackles of corruption in Scotland, as elsewhere.
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Barcelona were fined by Uefa for having independence flags at their last CL game.
Allegedly – tonight they are handing out 30,000 flags
WatchThisSpace csc
I think the ongoing silence from the powers that be is telling.
Move along Timmy, an admin error, nothing to see here.
“Oh, for a Bob Kelly, a Turnbull Hutton or a Paul McBride today !!!”
last post sent off before I finished – doh !!!
TET,
Success would have been UEFA investigating, I expect there are far better results available now :)
It is now proven fact that the SFA are in the frame for losses in the millions to Celtic shareholders, Celtic PLC are responsible to protect our interests, remember we are talking millions maybe 10’s of millions, that needs to be addresses and the shareholders need to discuss this, me I’d like an EGM or at least someone at the AGM to ask if the board have made a claim for compensation against the SFA or if they have requested criminal investigation into serious organised crime ?
http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-court-decision/10052
And what of football? We now have a situation where three Law Lords have ruled that the club were tax cheats during one of their most successful periods on the pitch. We know the reason why they did it was that it meant Rangers could afford players it otherwise could not afford. This is not contested.
How does this sit with Lord Nimmo Smith’s judgement that cheating on tax in this way conferred ‘ no sporting advantage’ to the club on the pitch?
Some will now argue that cheating on your tax to be able to afford better players in your team is about nothing but conferring sporting advantage and many others would see matters in that light.
Whether the Scottish football authorities – the SPFL in particular – choose to revisit this question, in the light of today’s court decision, is not yet clear. I await their call back to me. Many fans are already revisiting it of course.
“BOURNESOUPRECIPE
Barcelona were fined by Uefa for having independence flags at their last CL game.
Allegedly – tonight they are handing out 30,000 flags.”
I’m no real fan of Barca (or any of the super-duper bank-rolled clubs) but that made me laugh.
PS: Great affection for the people of Barcelona/Catalonia though.
hello, I understand the euphoria on here, fair enough…however in other matters…
The West London CSC will be on the One Show tonight with yer man Rod Stewart…no idea what’s happening, except that my lhad is heading there now to join the on stage gang.
Hopefully he will not be singing, he’s the voice of an angel………like The Angel of the North .
Hail! Hail!
STV ” No chance the history books will be re-written!”
Whitewash!!!
Today has been a Good Day for This Particular Fool and Fantatasist…
Im Happy Hope Youre Happy Too
COYBIG…
BSR @6:01 PM
The Celtic Board were going to do likewise
…except ours were going to be white!
STV News saying no clawback of titles or cups will happen as that issue has already been cleared.H.H.
Joe Filippis Haircut on 4th November 2015 6:10 pm
Very quick with that – it’s almost as if it was pre prepared
lets not jump the gun guys Neil Patey has not spoken yet :))
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He has now spoken. He of Ernst / Young fame.
HH.
jmccormick
Good luck to your boy.
My daughter is a singer on the big stage so I know how you feel.
;o)
Every news and media outlet have one job tonight and in the coming days. DESTROY any notion that the titles should be striped. Kill it before it grows.
Only Celtic Football Club can drive this forward, nobody else will do it.
Canman
I would think that UEFA have an obligation to investigate now.
You know as well as I do, that the only way any kind of justice will be done, or be seen to be done will come from the shareholders of our club, I would like to think that the suits would at least make some sort of statement on behalf of the shareholders, but I won’t be holding my breath.
HH
CHARLES KICKHAM. I bet it was pre prepared. H.H.
GEAROID1998 on 4TH NOVEMBER 2015 5:46 PM
Murdoch @5.38
There was a Neil Patey on BBC Scotland giving his opinion on the Tax verdict? Is this what you are referring to?????
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The very same who has now been on STV and Clyde as well
Cheats never prosper?…………..only in scoddland.
Scoddish TV quick with the BS message…………..nuthun fishal in their take on this.
Scotland needs to challenge this nonsensical wrong-headed pish.
TET,
I do expect a statement, with an “in the light of new facts we want the investigation beyond the season 11/12 referred to in Resolution 12 which we fully support”
:) that would work for me :)
This is a very important time for fans of all clubs in Scotland – if this situation is not now taken forward with a satisfactory resolution after today’s result then many people will walk away forever – including me
Not long in and too much to read back on.
Had a good day in work, my jaws are a bit sore with smirking so will wait a wee while until I have my dinner.
Hope the rat Murray gets his nighthood stripped along with the cheated trophies…I won’t hold my breath though.
It’s a good day to be a Tim:))
Canman
Aye, That would do it :-)
HH
STV News?
There’s an oxymoron when dealing with anything remotely related to RFC/HMS/RICF or whatever they’re called.
Just a thought:
Can you imagine the pure social unrest if the “Wee Red Book” had asterisks againt the tainted titles and cups?
The “Wee GreenBook” would be a collector’s item though !!!
;o)
GeordieM
Felis Cumpleanos mi amigo.
HH
I am not a big fan of online petitions – but I wonder if there is broad enough support to lobby for David Murray’s knighthood to be revoked given his running of an illegal tax evasion scheme?
Wee Dawwyl will be hidin’ behind his big rid enamel badge……………
Not been on for awhile…however decided to listen to our glorious MSM………according to all nothing changes, no sporting advantage, ye want want the medals back…come on then WATP.
What did I/we expect, so its move along Timmy. I suppose i thought to much of this now that ‘the paranoia’ label has been dissolved, but maybe its not.
IT WAS UNFAIR ADVANTAGE IT WASN’T JUST 11 V 11 YA BUNCH ‘O BARSTEWARDS……..STRIP THEM OF THE TITLES!!!!
Come on Scotland grow a pair!
CHARLES KICKHAM. My take on this for what it is worth if this it will all be swept under the carpet and then what would stop something like it happen again ? There would not be a level playing field but a cheats charter.I however,fear that nothing will change. H.H.
Nothing to see here Timmy, now move along. That will be the stance of all but Celtic supporters. I can’t see the Celtic board pursuing justice for us.
Alex orc on Clyde is someone things they can take the medal from helicopter Sunday then they need to come and get them.
Ok.
Me first.
When you see the BBC come up with the headline (on Newsnow);
‘Molde to pile more pain on Deila’……………..
You know that the real pain is being felt elsewhere……..
sipsini
Regarding the be-knighted one, I think the mot du jour is “Sircumcision”.
Maybe Aul Lizzy will do the needful before she pops her cogs – I heard she developed a wee soft spot for the Celts when she was up in Paradise for the CW games. So you never know…
sixtaeseven
Yeah you got to admire the independence groups, giving out the flags. But Barcelona are already in talks with UEFA.
One rule for one etc
The STV line will be repeated elsewhere.
They didn’t cheat. Well, yes technically it was a little bit illegal. But not cheating to gain an advantage. And there was no sporting advantage. The club while operated by the old company won fair and square. Then it went bust and the new company running the same club has nothing to do with this. It’s entirely financially healthy. Ok, it is a loss making business with no chance of credit and needing millions to see out the season. But that’s fine. It will be sorted.
One more thing to think about: if we for a second buy the fiction that club and company are separate, and that the liability for tax evasion lies with the old company not the club, then surely that must mean the players were employed by the company and not the club? Isn’t it third party ownership if a club plays players owned by someone else??
Expect plenty of references to “previous owners”, “old company”, etc. The word “club” will be forbidden.
My friends in Celtic,
It was posted on here yesterday that around 40k tickets have been sold for tomorrow. Was up at the ticket office at half three today and I ony saw one person. The operative at the only booth open stated that sales were sluggish today. Hopefully this was just the time I picked and we will indeed get a decent and vociferous crowd.
Even managed to get “my” own seat at the discount price of £25.
HH.
Ps : the 18.00 hrs kick off doesn’t suit everyone, but I’ve heard from more than one person stating that it’s excellent for school children attending the game.
Why do they always do this stuff when I’m supposed to be busy with real life?
Sevco/ Old Rangers – different clubs – same comedy gold.
After the laughter though – it was cheating. We were watching a rigged game. That we still regularly skelped them while we were going in to austerity mode and they were buying players they couldn’t afford, paying them wages they had to dodge tax to pay is something that has been overlooked too.
The leagues we won were generally by a country mile during that period (Tommy Burns Thursday aside) – theirs were won by a point or a goal.
And by the way – the same principle applies right now to their successor club. THe only club in Scotland not able to meet it’s bills paying out the second best wages in the Scottish game!! And they are allowed to continue with no investigation from the football authorities? They are openly admitting that they will need external funding, effectively that they may not be able to fulfill fixtures and not a peep from the blazers?
I agree 100% with Paul67 today – a purge of hampden is the only way ahead. A new inquiry based on todays news is also a must. In fact it could be argued that Nimmo Smiths effort should not have been allowed until the tax case had gone to it’s final conclusion – if Oldco appeal then any inquiry should also be stalled so that it can deal in fact.
So a mixture of laughter and anger remains.
Bitterness is best left to those whose nature it is in. I’ll do righteous indignation, enjoy my clubs continued survival and success, the rebirth of sustainable football clubs in Scotland with the exception of the one – and it is increasingly clear that the Ibrox entity is despised by all and sundry who don’t claim allegiance to it. We were all right all along. Every club ever knocked out of a cup, relegated after losing 3 or 4 times to a team that financially doped itself up, missed out on Europe, teams in europe that they knocked out or denied points and therefore income to………. they are all owed justice.