Trending
Celtic News Now
Celtic Quick News on News Now
Celtic Quick News
You are at:»»Jock and Fergie, by Archie Macpherson

Jock and Fergie, by Archie Macpherson

1035
By on CQN BLOG & Comments

Today we have a guest writer, Archie Macpherson, Scotland’s most celebrated broadcaster.  Archie started broadcasting for the BBC in the 1960s and was the authoritative voice of football commentaries, and comment, for decades thereafter.  He was co-commentator for our first European Cup win and remains a regular newspaper columnist and TV contributor.

I had a brief conversation with Archie last month when he categorically stated that Jock Stein was best manager Scotland has ever produced was.  Pleased, though I was, to hear this, in the light of accolades earned by Sir Alex Ferguson, I asked him if he could substantiate his claim.

These questions are enormously subjective but few have the breadth of perspective, not to mention the analytical capacity, to tackle this one properly.  This is the article he offered to write for us on the subject:

Jock and Fergie, by Archie Macpherson

If there had been no Jock Stein there would have been no Sir Alex Ferguson.  It may sound a contentious statement to make but even though it is tempting to play around with history according to your own beliefs and perceptions I would stand by that as a sound interpretation of the way the respective merits of these men can be set against each other.

It helps in this matter if you can lay aside the achievements of those men from the record books and instead consider their personalities and the context in which they plied their trade.

When Jock came to Celtic as manager in 9th March 1965, he fully understood from his past experience there as a player and coach that he would find a club desperate to achieve a commanding status in Scottish football.  The frustration they felt only reflected that which their massive support similarly endured around that period.  They were massive underachievers.

He also knew from his own background that his task would not simply be about selecting a team, then motivating them, but about radically overhauling the perception the public in general had about the club and which stemmed mainly from the constructs of the media.

It may be difficult for a current generation to fully comprehend this but Celtic then were simply perceived as bit players in a drama where the lead actor came from Govan and always took the curtain-calls.  Stein changed all that.  He took on the press-pack like he had been sent in from the city’s sanitation department to fumigate.

If you didn’t turn up on the dot for his press conferences then the door was slammed on your face no matter the size of your ego.  His television interviews, unlike the passive posture of that likeable man his predecessor Jimmy McGrory, were often truculent and challenging.  All of this concentrated the mind of those who wrote and spoke about Celtic.  They would think twice about saying anything that might offend the big man.  He was strengthening Celtic’s image and, as a by-product of that, securing the self-esteem within the playing staff which previously had been sadly lacking.

And where was Sir Alec at this time?  He was watching, observing.  I saw him sitting in the lounge of Malpensa Airport Milan in 1970, in the aftermath of the European Cup Final there, amidst thousands of Celtic supporters, which given his Rangers connections only indicated his deep interest in what Jock was doing.

Fergie to his credit was a learner.  When he went to Old Trafford it was not to a club about which there was lack of public respect.  It was initial lack of respect for himself which made him take up arms against his detractors.  To go to a Fergie press-conference was to see a recreation of Jock at the height of his powers.  And from being beside Jock in the dressing-room, and on the bench at Scotland games, he absorbed Jock’s handling of men which could range from wrath to wit.  The so-called ‘hairdryer’ treatment Fergie handed out only simulated what Jock could do to make the walls of a dressing-room bulge when it got up his hump.

Where they differed enormously as men was that Jock did not harbour grudges in quite the same way as Fergie.  Jock did have his difficulties with the BBC initially but never refused to deal with them.  Fergie barred them for over a decade, then got an award from the same people.  So I am suggesting that although you cannot compare the achievements made in entirely different footballing environments, Fergie served his apprenticeship in the Stein era by consequently adopting much of the big man’s methodology.  Jock was the ice-breaker.  Fergie was the follow up.

In that sense, as the one was indispensable to the success of the other, I rate Jock as the master of the two.

My thanks to Archie for his contribution.
[calameo code=000390171ece27dd9e54e lang=en page=98 hidelinks=1 width=100% height=500]

Click Here for Comments >
Share.

About Author

1,035 Comments
  1. Pages:
  3. 1
  4. ...
  5. 19
  6. 20
  7. 21
  8. 22
  9. 23
  10. 24
  11. 25
  12. 26
  13. 27
  14. 28

  1. ryecatcher on

    “That’s the whole trouble. When you’re feeling very depressed, you can’t even think.”

     

    ― J.D. Salinger, The Catcher in the Rye

     

     

    Rest in Peace Ian Redford…..the Black Dog can’t hurt you no more,brother.

     

     

    A lovely guy gone too soon.

     

     

    Humanity is bigger than football…..always!!

  4. BoscoBhoy02 on

    Watched the Aberdeen 5-0 game again. I was at the game but taped it as well. Don’t know if anyone else remembers this from that game. Jim McGilvary had recently chucked the refereeing cos he felt he couldn’t send off fat Gazza. (Boo effin hoo) He was a pundit at that game. I can’t remember the ref. The ref (not the linesman) gave an offside. I’m sure it was Andy Thom running through on goal. They asked McGilvary about the incident and he stuttered and stammered his way through his answer. I had never seen a ref giving an offside decision from open play and haven’t seen it since. A bit like Dougiegate but I guess cos we won 5-0 it wasn’t an issue. Anyone else remember this ?

  11. zimmerman on

    ryecatcher

     

     

    come back,

     

     

    friday night is music night dontcha’ know,

     

     

    or it used to be.

  13. setting free the bears supports Res. 12 & Oscar Knox on

    RRC

     

     

    Re Longest album title ever:-

     

     

    T-Rex (1968) had 20 words with

     

     

    My People Were Fair and Had Sky in Their Hair… but Now They’re Content to Wear Stars on Their Brows

     

     

     

    but that was outdone by the 158 words of

     

     

    Chumbawumba (2008)

     

     

    The Boy Bands Have Won, and All the Copyists and the Tribute Bands and the TV Talent Show Producers Have Won, If We Allow Our Culture to Be Shaped by Mimicry, Whether From Lack of Ideas or From Exaggerated Respect. You Should Never Try to Freeze Culture. What You Can Do Is Recycle That Culture. Take Your Older Brother’s Hand-Me-Down Jacket and Re-Style It, Re-Fashion It to the Point Where It Becomes Your Own. But Don’t Just Regurgitate Creative History, or Hold Art and Music and Literature as Fixed, Untouchable and Kept Under Glass. The People Who Try to ‘Guard’ Any Particular Form of Music Are, Like the Copyists and Manufactured Bands, Doing It the Worst Disservice, Because the Only Thing That You Can Do to Music That Will Damage It Is Not Change It, Not Make It Your Own. Because Then It Dies, Then It’s Over, Then It’s Done, and the Boy Bands Have Won

     

     

     

     

    Hard to advertise that on twitter

  24. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    Just finished watching the Dons v Hibs game.

     

    Couldn`t be happier for wee Willo.

     

    A goal fit to win any game.

     

    A whole hearted and skilful player who is regularly insulted by fellow (I`m led to believe) Tims by their derogatory reference to the ‘Willo Flood window.”

     

    Onya,son. Your day in the sun.

  31. petec on

    macjay1 for Neil Lennon

     

     

    01:11 on 11 January, 2014

     

     

    Just finished watching the Dons v Hibs game.

     

    Couldn`t be happier for wee Willo.

     

    A goal fit to win any game.

     

    A whole hearted and skilful player who is regularly insulted by fellow (I`m led to believe) Tims by their derogatory reference to the ‘Willo Flood window.”

     

    Onya,son. Your day in the sun.

     

    ______________________________

     

     

    What age is young Willo?

     

     

    I like his attitude, if he has that bouncebackability, the World is his Celtic Lobster.

     

     

    We both Know how God works. It is Fantastic.

     

     

    The CELTIC Story………

     

     

    Plenty mair Chapters to be added hopefully, assuming Mr Sharon is Alive. Conspiracy is ma middle name noo. The Rabbi prophecy, IMO, is heralding the AntiChrist.

  33. Auldheid on

    Doc

     

     

     

     

    21:49 on

     

     

    10 January, 2014

     

     

     

    My suggestion met your concerns about the original proposal as I read it.

  1. Pages:
  3. 1
  4. ...
  5. 19
  6. 20
  7. 21
  8. 22
  9. 23
  10. 24
  11. 25
  12. 26
  13. 27
  14. 28