I don’t get the flares thing. It’s not a part of my going-to-see-Celtic tradition. But if it was my thing, I’d have the courage of my convictions, I wouldn’t hide the fact.
There are consequences of bringing flares to football games, always has been. By not having the courage to openly ignite them, those consequences are not personalised to the individuals who regard this as an integral part of what they do at a football game, they are visited upon everyone in the vicinity, as well as the club.
The problem with flares at Celtic games is those who bring them hide the fact – as they clearly know there are consequences, and presumably aren’t too interested in taking responsibility for them. ‘Keen on flares, not keen enough to stand up for them’, is why the issue persists.
I get the attraction to bright, shiny, things, but this isn’t a campaign to bring the vote to disenfranchised people against a force who will execute the offender on sight. It’s about bringing a flare to a football game. If it’s so important, do it openly. If you think Health and Safety are simply wrong, find the evidence and use it in court. Have the courage to change something. I know lots of Celtic fans who have had the courage to put their name to something they believed in, in recent years. It’s seldom easy, but it has been done.
But in the years of this debate no one has ever pointed to evidence that igniting flares in a football ground is a clever thing to do. It’s just a ‘look at me’ exercise, ‘But don’t look at my face’, of course.
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Episode 5 of ‘A Celtic State of Mind’ finds Paul John Dykes and Kevin Graham discussing a variety of topical subjects concerning Celtic Football Club, including:
* What now for the Green Brigade?
* Dedryck Boyata – Are reinforcements on route?
* Virgil van Dijk – The windfall cometh;
* Emilio Izaguirre – Moving on.
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MURDOCHAULDANDHAY on 24TH JULY 2017 5:29 PM
48 hours to review nearly 2 decades of cheating? Is Lord Eddie Murphy heading the review
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Clogher Celt
How it even possible to have prior knowledge of the result, unless its bent?
HH
STV no title stripping agreed by SPFL.
Budge is a bigot… remember that
Jabba’s blackmailed placemen briefed already….
Corrupt b…..ds
Moderator
If you are going to moderate do so.
can you tell me when you delete one of my posts.
Thank you in advance.
Ps.no need to explain your logic just a note saying post deleted.
PHILBHOY on 24TH JULY 2017 5:57 PM
Yes
TURKEYBHOY @ 5:13 PM,
Yes I have that feeling too.
When the supporters are calling for a Review, they mean a Totally Independent Inquiry.
With the Board changes today one could be very sceptical.
Still let’s look at what’s been said…
Rod Petrie has announced a Review will take place. This has to be a positive step.
Ann Budge has said the SPFL will release a Statement on Wednesday. So, also a positive as things are moving fast.
We should know on Wednesday what the timescales and Framework of the Review will be.
Guess we’ll be in a much better position to Judge how serious the Review is then.
Hail Hail
THETIMREAPER on 24TH JULY 2017 5:27 PM
Why did Rod Petrie make the announcement? He isn’t on the SPFL Board is he?
Rod Petrie is Vice President of the SFA and Chairman of its Professional Game Board
My question is still unanswered?
Answer may lie in composition of Professional Game Board maybe?
Chairman: Rod Petrie (Scottish FA)
Members: Alan McRae (Scottish FA), Stewart Regan (Scottish FA), Andrew McKinlay (Scottish FA)*, Neil Doncaster (SPFL), Ralph Topping (SPFL), Duncan Fraser (SPFL), Michael Mulraney (SPFL), Stewart Robertson (SPFL), Sandy Stables (SHFL) and Andrew Waddell (SLFL)
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Are you Peter Lawwell?
If…..I……post…….again…..I…….be……more……..polite.
I didn’t want to say ….will….in case I upset anyone.
PhilBoy @ 5:47pm
Ever hopeful that PL standing down and SR stepping up (to SPFL board) is to bring onside a proper independent review of the decisions taken. Sevco fans will still allege that PL is in control, but presence of SR should defuse that. Still hard to see how the desired end game – Regan & Doncaster stepping down and out could be achieved from here.
EMBRAMIKE @ 5:39 PM,
Good points, the Review must include all of those to ensure it’s fair and impartial.
Hail Hail
Timreaper,
The only decent explanation I can think of is that PL knows that the only resolution to this is a crowdfunded JR??????????????????
It’s quite shocking that Scottish football expects us to kowtow to this nonsense.
My reading of it is that they want the new board to announce it rather than the outgoing board. It’s all sealed and delivered with PL out of the way and a divided support at Celtic.
Some of the folk on Rangers Media are even surprised at the way this has been handled.
TGM,
Hopefully they’ll surprise us all and announce a review.
It feels like the new board have ‘signed off’ on whatever had been previously agreed and it’s leaked.
Maybe the reaction of the support in the next 24 hours is key…There again we’re aff the Board ;(
Hopefully supporters of other clubs will get wind of this an contact their directors etc.
Did know one see the STV headlines, this is not a review
Sorry= anyone
JIMMY BONES
We’ll see!
At least the ball is rolling.
Did STV show somebody scoring a goal against Celtic?
This is Showtime for the Celtic Board now, do not let us down.
BSR
2 goals against us a man gettin’ sent off plus the flares going off at the Hertz game.
This is not an issue for Crowdfunding IMO, This is an issue for Celtic Football Club , to take the bull by the ball$
!!BADA BING!!
The Mods are on! Be careful what you post!
The SPFL will not reopen an inquiry into Rangers’ use of EBTs following legal advice given to the league’s board.
The new board met on Monday to discuss the issue for the first time and was given a number of recommendations over how to proceed.
A final decision is yet to be made but STV understands board members have been told stripping titles is not an option.
The Lord Nimmo Smith independent commission has already ruled five Scottish Premier League titles won between 2001 and 2010 were won fairly and resulted in no “unfair competitive advantage”.
This was despite a breach of league rules which led to the Ibrox club being fined £250,000 for failing to declare payments.
The decision of the Supreme Court that the so-called EBTs were not legitimate raised the prospects of a review, with Celtic leading the calls for the SPFL to look again.
It is understood, however, that the advice given is that there is no mechanism within the league rules to call for the decision to be reviewed.
A deadline to appeal the decision passed seven days after the original publication of the verdict in 2013.
The use of EBTs themselves were not against league rules.
Hearts owner Ann Budge said after the meeting on Monday: “There’s going to be a statement on Wednesday, other than that I’m afraid I can’t say any more. We have discussed it at some length.”
When asked if a decision had been made, Budge said: “A decision? No, there are recommendations. You will fully understand on Wednesday.
“A new board has had to look at all of the facts thoroughly. It’s a brand new board. I think for us to come out with something now would be quite a big ask.”
Good Afternoon.
It would seem to me that many people involved with watching professional football in Scotland are possessed with an incurable disease which might as well be simply classed as “stupiditis”.
I have to confess to watching the events surrounding the Green Brigade and the Celtic PLC board from afar and find myself regularly shaking my head at how one succeeds in outdoing the other in the “stupid- as- can- be” stakes.
Both the board and the GB do some very very good things at times, but, bhoy, when it comes to having a howler they are nearly unmatchable and are almost deserving of one another.
Standing at the side of their corporeal and organisational ineptitude is the average fan who has bugger all say in what either party does and whose view is as worthless and as valuable as a second-hand chocolate tea pot.
There are numerous UEFA charges which have nothing to do with the GB and so they have no responsibility for them, but at the same time the GB are responsible for repeated UEFA charges which, in my own humble opinion, simply shows them up as stupid or completely uncaring regarding the wishes of other fans who support the same team.
At times, both the GB and the board make it very difficult to support Celtic and this latest batch of idiocy stretches the patience and sympathy to the limit — almost.
However, let’s move on from such rank idiocy to a much more serious bout of idiocy.
The SFA and the SPFL.
There appears to have been an announcement today by the SPFL that there will be a review of the use of EBT’s in Scottish Football by Rangers PLC who were apparently once a football club but how now appear to be no more than a corporate husk whose home is a liquidators desk.
However, there also appears to be reports that the people in charge of this same review have already determined, at least in part, what the outcome of the review (which has not yet happened) is going to be.
* Note I have had considerable difficulty in writing that last sentence because I have no idea who you correctly tense a sentence about a future review which has already made some kind of a decision at some indeterminate time in the past in relation to a current issue!
Anyway, for anyone interested in this situation, and in the overall widespread idiocy that infects Scottish Football, let me paint an imaginary position.
Imagine that several years after a competition or competitions, it was discovered that the eventual winners cheated.
Imagine that the national sporst body in charge of the competition and indedd the governance of the competitors concerned, knew that they cheated but refused to do anything about it.
Imagine this governing body was then forced to take some action and did so, but only succeeded in taking inappropriate action.
Imagine that the International body in charge of the sport then stepped in, suspended the national association, and prosecuted the cheater before the CAS?
Well, imagine no more because that is exactly what the IAAF did with Tatyana Chernova who was last week stripped of her Olympic and World championship medals at the CAS.
The judgement is very much worth the reading because it highlights a number of fundamnetal principles that MUST apply in all sports and it stresses that the Athlete concerned must lose not only her medals but the rewards of the medals including prize money (which she must pay back) and the other rewards gained during the period.
Further, in a whole debate about what is an appropriate “punishment”, the court stresses that its primary function is to maintain and guarantee the “integrity” of competition irrespective of how hard or difficult the result may be on any athelete or association and it goes on to say that in determining the outcome:
” The main purpose of disqualification of results is not to punish the transgressor, but rather to correct any unfair advantage and remove any tainted performances from the record” and the court goes on to site precedent and law on thatvery topic including the European Convention of Human Rights and other laws.
The court also deals with procedural matters, such as the appealing of a decision which is then immediately halted to allow other court cases to be determined. This could have been done with LNS but wasn’t.
In short, the decision is one which shames Scottish football in its administration, its ability to conduct its own business and it concept and test of what is fair in terms of rule breaking.
If this so-called review has already contemplated and sorted out an outcome then it is not a review at all and is a sham and a fake with no legal or moral compass.
At that point, ladies and gentlemen, you can take the Celtic PLC/GB sideshow, the SFA. the SPFL, Celtic Football club and every other team in Scotland into your bathroom and simply flush.
Wjilst not possessed of any great brains, I believe that I am sufficiently intelligent enough to know when I should stop spending my money on utter and uncontrollable amateurish idiocy.
I hope all you happy clappers are happy now. % years of Celtic doing fuck all and going along withthe sham
GARY67 @ 6:17 PM,
Well that’s interesting from STV.
The BBC does not use the “Review” word either, saying the Board are “considering it’s position.”
Also seems some are briefing nothing will be done and hiding behind “legal” advice as Mr Topping intimated.
Wonder where Rod Petrie got the notion of a “Review”.
Hail Hail
Fothe first season in my life I didn’t go to Parkhead last season.. I will never be back. I said at the very start this would happen…only blip was them not staying in Premier league. All I wanted was for my club to stand up tio masonic cheaing.. no them just lambast their own fans
MARADOMINIC
Classy…
BRTH
I’m standing at the toilet bowl
BRTH,
Thanks for the clarity.
HH
Just saw Ann Budge on tv..giggling like a school girl who had just won a prize.. Why was she so happy?
Anybody who pays into this charade disguised as a sport needs their heads examined, Scottish football is gone for me, I have out grown it Cheerio
And the Plc seemingly are prepared to allow this to be announced on the same day as our game with Rosenberg?
Shameful if this is the case.
Feel sorry for res12 guys who were strung along like fools.. they were too trusting..anyone who heard bankier for more tyha 2 seconds would have nothing to do with him
So today we are told we are to have a review of the EBT cheating, then we are told it isn’t really a review then it’s back to nothing happening due to advise received from some mythical QC, who is definitely not from Arbroath. Then we are informed there is going to be a statement released. Well I’m confused as a confused thing can be.
Who would be able to challenge a review of the findings of the LNS charade?
clogher celt on 24th July 2017 6:32 pm
And the Plc seemingly are prepared to allow this to be announced on the same day as our game with Rosenberg?
Shameful if this is the case.
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Now the real reason for banning the 900 becomes apparent. Ban the likely source of concerted supporter unrest.
Cue sinister music and evil laughter emanating from the Celtic park boardroom.
Conspiracy theory CSC