For any football club to be licenced to play in Uefa competition it has to be up to date with social taxes. The world wondered why in the years prior to their liquidation owing tens of millions to HRMC, Rangers managed to remain up to date for every licence application (made through the SFA).
Football authorities are bound by certain limitations. They can oblige clubs to make them aware of any overdue taxes, but if this information is not forthcoming, they have no powers to demand information from the tax authorise. In short, if you lie, you will get away with it, until and unless you are caught.
Nor can football authorities deal in information of dubious probity. “Some guy on the internet gave me this document” which they should not legally be in possession of, is not the basis to charge a club.
At Craig Whyte’s trial at Glasgow High Court this morning, former director of former Rangers, Donald McIntyre, faced questions from defending counsel and also former director of former Rangers, Donald Findlay.
McIntyre was shown a document dated 2010 from HMRC to Rangers saying tax for PAYE and National Insurance was due on Rangers Discount Options Scheme (DOS), involving players Tore Andre Flo, Craig Moor and Ronald de-Boer was “payable in full”. This tax was never paid and £500k of interest accrued until the club went into liquidation.
McIntyre told the court Rangers had “no choice but to accept liability” as due to the existence of a “side letter”.
Despite this, Rangers signed off their licence application in March 2011, which enabled them to take Scotland’s Champions League qualification spot for season 2011-12.
The irony of this information coming out in a fraud trial will not have escaped you. Some key points:
Information that Rangers were overdue to HMRC prior to their Uefa licence application in 2011 has been confirmed by a competent officer of the company for the first time, in open court.
Rangers DOS scheme for Flo, Moore and Ronald De-Boer was not subject to the SPL’s Lord Nimmo Smith Commission inquiry and has not, thus far, been investigated.
Mr McIntyre is still in the witness box giving evidence.
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ACGR
Can’t wait, I’ve got a flight to catch at 22:00 so hope it’s not a 6 hour round!
TTR, is it compulsory for their players to be completely classless pricks when they put on the “five star” hun jersey. No need to answer that.
Maybe it helps them mix better with their vile support. So based on that tweet, tav will be the first one in the line up to applaud us onto the field on Saturday.
What an arsehole and a wanabe hun.
ACGR
Tav told anyone who would listen Griff told him it wasn’t a pen. A blatant lie.
On this date 48 years ago (and what a way to do it), Big Jock won his second treble, hammering Rangers (1872-2012) 4-0 in the Scottish Cup Final, having won his 4th league in a row at Kilmarnock a few days earlier.
Only had to wait 32 years for the next one. ( Thanks, Martin!).
McNeill, Connelly, Lennox and Chalmers.
TTR, better not be six hours, two of that would qualify as swally time in my eye’s………………………:_)
When I last checked the times we had a bout an hour free in front of us so hopefully that’s still the case. Three fourballs in buggies I’m estimating three and a half hours if that gap is still there.
Hope you don’t turn into a pumpkin if its longer…………………:_)
Bring a prize BTW
HH
ACGR
:)
Will do
Treble Bhoys ’69.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A4ai7kp_8cg
Trying to get to sleep here, got a busy day ahead, will be spending all day at work reading James Doleman’s Tweets, and trying not to laugh out loud.
BTW, my last post is in no way related to Corkie telling us all he encountered a handsome hun.
I’m just no fussy and Corkie lied, or was drugged.
Treble Winners 1968-69.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gUHYtkQLqz4
With a Treble Yell ’68-’69
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hHrjqj50Gi4
I’ve never met Willie Henderson but have a kind of respect for him. He was a pall bearer at my uncle’s funeral and my cousins and Burghbhoy of cqn vouch for him as they all drink in his pub…………………However, what possessed the daft auld banger to suggest that £50 million pounds would allow the huns to compete with us?
FFS, it wouldn’t clear a third of their tax bill once super dave brings them out of liquidation (if that one is still a goer).
Stick to pouring drams Wullie, you played your part when hun teams had a semblance of credability.
Stop making an arse of yourself.
Connaire12,
God Bless you dude @ this really Tough time.
I’m addicted to the Food Channel, and losing weight —- WTF is that all about.
These things are not necessarily related.
Leigh is going to really go for it now.
Most players have had a long Season. Leigh can get 2 HATTRICKS in the remaining games. I know Leigh will be like a coiled Spring. He will have been taught so much as well, Technically. :))
And there is no way he will be allowed to get a Hattrick at the Crumbledome @ this Time. Because of the SFA’s Referee SS.
Shutting down real Referees that can Referee and make the ACTUAL Grades.
SCOTLAND/SFA – WTF?
It’s a Money and Comfy life thing now. Truth be Told. ALL LEVELS.
Headlined – Conservative Role Models in the Bible
Dr Future has been the most inspirational person to me whilst being online – and I was online very early.
INITIALLY – They told YOU to never give details. Wow.
Got to Turn around….. Hey Whats wrong with you, You don’t have a facebook account today?
I cannae login to the original facebook account because I was 99 years old And a Nasa Nazi.
What’s WRONG with you?
and in the meantime cha-ching on the bigot buck
Margaret McGill on 26th April 2017 12:00 am
BRTH
Findlay is doing his job to make sure Whyte is not found guilty of fraud.
No one will be found guilty of any consequence and there will be no consequences anywhere for anyone. When the dust settles over all the un-turned stones all those culpable will promise that they will never ever do it again at least not until the next time.
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Mags,
Absolutely spot on. Findlay is doing his job, no more and no less, to the best of his ability and in the best interests of his client.
The tenor of previous correspondence from some was that he would sacrifice those interests in favour of protecting the interests of David Murray. There are all sorts of reasons why things are not panning out that way but they are not for discussion on here at this time – maybe over a beer in Lisbon.
Now, does anyone seriously believe that the entire Rangers/SFA affair will come to an end at the conclusion of this trial irrespective of the verdict?
Personally, I have an opinion as to what that verdict should be given what I know of the circumstances surrounding the case, and again I am not willing to make that opinion public on here at this time, but recognise that there may well be detail to come out yet that none of us are aware of or indeed have any inkling of as yet.
The trial is only one of a series of events that will take place in 2017 which will throw fresh light on the events of 2010/11/12 and which will have a bearing on what CAN be done going forward and what SHOULD be done to hold the proper people to account, and to ensure that certain practices and procedures should not be allowed to occur or re-occur in future.
The Court of Arbitration for sport and others have already taken steps and handed down rulings which tighten rules and set precedents which should — and I repeat should — make it plain to people like Murray, Bain and others that the sanction for less than full and frank disclosure is absolute, catastrophic and final, leaving no room for any national association or body to provide their own unique pathway or solution which suits their narrow or national interests or business plan.
If an application, for a licence, registration, or anything else which is based on a platform of trust which expects a full and honest submission of all key material facts (and in law every licencing process from Civil Aviataion Licences to licences for puggy machines to fishing permits is based on such trusting self disclosure) is found to have been submitted without all the key materials being disclosed (such as all financial arrangements re players) then the application is deemed to be functus and all financial information supplied by the club is deemed to be incomplete, does not pass muster, is not sufficient for licensing purposes and as such the licence application is deemed to be rejected and dismissed without further consideration.
In other words you are OUT!
No partial registrations, no partially improper registration of players, no properly registered players but with incomplete details worthy of a sanction as per Nimmo Smith (whether that approach is right or wrong) — just plain out and you suffer the consequences a la Legia Warsaw!
That was not the case in 2011.
Also, remember that the purpose of the criminal trial is NOT to discover the truth of what happened here but to establish, beyond a reasonable doubt, whether Craig Whyte is guilty of the charges levelled against him.
Those two things do not necessarily go hand in hand, although in demonstrating that someone is not guilty of a crime the truth of what happened is often uncovered.
It may well be the case in this case, that Craig Whyte perpetuated untruths in his day to day business dealings re Rangers but is not guilty of the offences alleged and under consideration in the court. Whyte’s conduct outwith the tram lines of the alleged offences may be deemed irrelevant for the purposes of this trial, although I will bet a pound to a penny that Mr Prentice for the prosecution will make great play of the fact that elsewhere Whyte has been sanctioned for failings in his business conduct (directors ban etc) in the same way that others repeatedly refer to the Tax convictions of Dave King to show that in all things he is a glib and shameless liar — although King really does demonstrate that himself by his repeated inexplicable public announcements.
No, Findlay will defend to the best of his ability and in so doing he will shine a light on the weaknesses of the prosecution witnesses and testimony as he has done thus far. However, Findlay cannot make up that testimony nor change the facts and within a court of law in a criminal trial you can no longer produce evidence like a rabbit out of a hat as is commonly portrayed on TV. All evidence and documentation has to be disclosed in advance and the statements of the witnesses also have to be disclosed.
That being the case, there will be those who are not on trial here who will have known for many many months that they are going to have to give evidence and who will be subject to examination and cross examination as to elements of their conduct and behaviour at material times in relation to their job and state of knowledge. Some of them will come from within Rangers PLC and some will be from the SFA and elsewhere.
They will not be on trial but it may well feel that way because what will be tested will be their reasonable state of knowledge, what was or was not presented to them and by whom and when. There will be evidence to come here which will throw a light on certain activity which has not as yet been explored such as Donald McIntyre’s revelation that there was discussion at Board level about placing Rangers in Administration long before Whyte ever appeared on the scene. Check out the reaction of some to that unsavoury piece of news!!
And , of course, as is the case with all witnesses, especially professional experts in their field, what may well be brought into question is their credibility, their reliability and indeed their competence in any chosen circumstance or position. Witnesses know that in advance and many will not want to be there and to have to face that.
And there will be more to come.
Also, do not rule out the very real possibility that Craig Whyte will not give evidence at all in the course of this trial. He may not need to and/or he may be advised not to because of the evidence extracted from others which make his giving evidence completely unnecessary and indeed ill advised.
The defence need prove precisely nothing as he remains innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if the prosecution itself provides enough scope for reasonable doubt then our hero could, and probably should, decline to say a single word.
However, to conclude, let me ask a question.
Have you ever tried cracking an egg and then putting it back together again?
Whether you go on to create an omelette, scramble the egg, whisk it up to make carbonara or just pour the egg shall and its contents into the bin, once you crack the egg open, burst the shell and pour out the white and the yolk, you are never going to put it back together again.
In this instance, Craig Whyte is no more than the White of the egg — an essential part of the raw ingredient perhaps but he is not and never could be the whole thing. He was undoubtedly part of an egg that was rotten and so couldn’t be used but which was passed off as a grade A free range product that attracts a premium price on the supermarket shelf only to be found to be rotten and marked as no longer fit for sale.
Now who is to blame for that? The supermarket? The Farmer? Maybe the Hen?
Trading standards will first and foremost want to ensure that no more rotten eggs appear for sale at all and will be especially keen to ensure that the public are not offered rotten eggs masquerading as grade A free range eggs in the future and as a consequence they will want to ensure that the trading standards office are not seen as sleeping on the job in allowing the rotten eggs to pass as undetected — again!
What will happen is that someone, internally or externally, will question the process that allowed the rotten eggs to make it to the supermarket undetected.
The supermarket, the framer and/or the hen don’t need to be convicted of a crime to bring about a result designed to ensure there are no more rotten eggs. All of them might lose their contract, be subject to greater inspection in the future or whatever, or even be just retired or teriminated from the egg industry altogether without being convicted of anything.
The Rangers egg has been cracked wide open and is never ever being put back together again. It was rotten to the core, unfit for sale, stank to the high heavens and should never have reached the supermarket shelf.
There might be another egg that is boxed and packaged the same way but it is a different egg. This egg too may well be rank rotten, unfit for purpose, unsellable and will have to be withdrawn when it is clearly past its sell by date but I digress.
The trial is only one of a number of things which the SFA are going to have to cope with, react to and deal with. They have no choice – none whatsoever. Same goes for all the clubs, and don’t think for a minute they do not know that or are talking about it.
Lastly, re the bigot pound – a question to which I do not know the answer.
I am guessing that when an away club visits a home club there is an understanding that the visiting club will be offered an allocation of tickets to sell to its fans? After all it is recognised that having as many of your own fans present is an advantage.
That being so, is there a minimum allocation that must be offered to each visiting club and if a club says it will take 1,000 seats or 10,000 seats in an away ground can that club be refused those tickets and is that club then responsible for paying for those seats? Further, do TV contracts have any bearing on home clubs being forced to make seats available for away fans?
I suppose what I am asking is whether or not, within the rules of football, one club can completely shut out the fans of another or limit the extent to which those fans can access their stadium? Are there maximums and minimums?
I wonder what tales we will hear from the witness box today? And I wonder who is doing the watching brief for the SFA because I don’t believe Mr Doleman is the only interested spectator — to think that would be just plain silly.
By the way — I dislike eggs completely. I had a bad experience with eggs many years ago and so in the main I don’t eat them and don’t often pay the supermarket, the farmer or the hen for their produce.
However, I am very partial to eating chicken or any other kind of fowl ……………….
Good morning friends from a dry, lightly-breezed, high-wispy-clouded and crisp feeling East Kilbride. 3 more sleeps.
With all the hun court case stuff etc….
I can now see why the Cellic PLC brought in Mr Rodgers….
…..30,000 empty seats !!!…..
….now, I can see why they gave Mr Rodgers a four year deal….
….so that they can brass they’re way out of any involvement…
….in the hun case fall out….imho.
….ye see, the PLC will now test the Cellic support to ask what….
….you really, really want ???……
….a top class manager who’s just signed for four years ????
….or, do you want Cellic PLC to go after the title stripping etc ???…
….coz, you’ll not get both…..
….how long would it take before Mr Rodgers etc became targets….
….of the civil unresters ?…..
….for how long would it take for the Manchester rioters….
….to sack the Celtic Way ???….
….point is, the PLC will play with yer emotions, banking on….
…Mr Rodgers winning the treble, which hopefully he gets….
….then, the PLC will be banking on the Cellic support not boycotting…
….season tickets as a reaction to suspected PLC Old Firm complicity….
….what might change that dynamic, could be…..
…mibbery on Sunday and, mibbery stopping the treble !!! ???
….Anyway,…….
….Donald Findley, sacked by the dignified David Murray…
….coz, DF got caught singing the sash….
….then, the dignified David Murray brought out….
….Orange RFC strips then tried to kid-on that the strips were tangerine lol….
….in other news…..
…..last night on news night BBC 2, a reporter said that the Conservative Party…
….are going to wait until the last minute before the polling stations open and….
….announce that, JEREMY CORBYN was a supporter of SINN FIEN before….
…the Good Friday Agreement !!!…Tory scumbags….
….Anyway,…..
Thoughts and Prayers for all
Supporters of Glasgow Celtic.
………….off-oot.
Does anyone really believe that Donald Findlay was sacked by Rangers for singing the sash?
Just think how all of that came about?
Kevj….
Indifatigable as usual.
But gonny gie’s peace?
Repeat, repeat. Same old, same old. Blether, blether. See me, see me. Ad nauseum, ad nauseum.
We get it. Honestly we do. Truly!
HH
With 5 league games still to play, a wee reminder of the incentives to keep on keeping on –
Our best ever achievements in the top flight have been –
103 points (2001-02) – we’re currently on 91 so need to win 4 out of 5 to equal that. But 4 wins and 1 draw would give us a new record.
105 goals (2003-04) – we’re currently on 87 so need to average 4 a game. Unlikely.
33 wins in a season (2001-02) – so far we’ve won 29 of our 33 games so need to win all 5 for a new PB.
32 game unbeaten run (2003-04) – we’ve already beaten that one as we’re curently unbeaten after 33.
Fewest defeats in a season – 1 (2001-02) – I think we are all aware that we are 5 more awa from a new , invincible, recod.
Right, time for a midweek walk to work….
http://www.leggs.es/en
BRTH St Brides farm has some nice fowl ready now.
Good morning CQN from a cold, dry and semi clear East Devon.
Hail! Hail!
BRTH
Eggcellent
Very interesting read overnight from the Res12 guys.
I still sense a fracture in the egg that is the whole requisitioners eggs and the parts are slowly seperating.
I personally love the yoke of an egg but that yoke would note be the same without the white and neither would taste great or work without the protection of the membrane not the shell.
Reading your posts BRT&H it appears to me that it is your opinion that as long as things are fixed to run well in the future that that is acceptable and the target will have been hit while those who orchestrated the systematic cheating walking away without redress and/or liability is acceptable.
While reading Canamalar and Auldheid there appears to be a strong belief that those who did their utmost to accomodate the cheating should be being held to account strictly and not just be afforded the right to melt away slowly without public redress.
BRT&H you appear to me to be saying that the requisitioners and supporters of the resolution should not hold our PLC to scrutiny if nothing appears to be done while pawns are shifted on the chess board to quietly remove the queen without ever seeing sight of check mate officially.
Auldheid and Canamalar read at least to me to support the position that our PLC should not only be a Pawn in that charge to cut the legs of that queen before she is stricken from the board but that the PLC should be the king at the front leading the charge to check mate without silence.
If we are to accept the position that things will be sorted quietly in the background how can it be possible that we will ever know they have been appropriately fixed? It is apparent at this time that things are as they always have been. We will soon know for sure if Stupid FC are awarded a licence to play in European competition.
Anyway it seems that BRT&H is aligned with the position as stated by Paul67 that there is no redress for past actions but no stone will be unturned to make it look like something has been done to make it appear the SFA is fit and proper.
While Canamalar, Auldheid and I’m guessing Morrisey not only want the appearance of action to stand but that the SFA are held to account strictly by our PLC and actions taken are apparent and transparent.
Now I may be reading that all wrong but for me the shift is noticeable and it appears the requisitioner egg shell is cracked if not already broken and the white will seperate from the yoke. One part used to make a fluffy crisp meringue, hard on the outside but soft to it’s core in it’s expectation of what is an acceptable result puffed up by a little whisking to look good and sweetened to taste nice but is unhealthy and far from nutricious. While the other part will be mixed with full fat milk, a good lump of butter, a pinch of salt and a good grinding of black pepper, whisked cooked and stirred into scrambled egg before laid on wedge of toasted bread offering a good healthy hardy nutritious meal to feast on.
MWD just my reading but I’m sure the guys will happily put me right.
I doubt that HMRC would give out any information to a third party such as the SFA. Data protection rules.
Word of The Day(Inspired by the Sevco takeover)
legerdemain /ˌlɛdʒədəˈmeɪn/
noun
1. cunning deception or trickery
2. sleight of hand
3. any artful trick.
Derived Forms
legerdemainist, noun
Word Origin and History for legerdemain
n.
early 15c., “conjuring tricks,” from Middle French léger de main “quick of hand,” literally “light of hand,” from léger “light” in weight (from Latin levis”light;” see lever) + main “hand” (from Latin manus; see manual).
KTF
A fine rendition
@sportingawayday: Celtic fans singing at Hampden yesterday
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MWD
*yolk
I’m happy to let the rest of my my version of Scots English stand.
MWD
VFR
I think many of your words of late could easily be applied to our PLC in it’s dealings with Res12 and SFA this far. Time will tell if this is true.
MWD
I like my eggs hard boiled , before I break the shell … :-)
Given that the liquidation process removes all liquid assets – should we just refer to Sevco as the powdered eggs?
JOBO BALDIE on 26TH APRIL 2017 6:44 AM
“With 5 league games still to play, a wee reminder of the incentives to keep on keeping on –
Our best ever achievements in the top flight have been –
103 points (2001-02) – we’re currently on 91 so need to win 4 out of 5 to equal that. But 4 wins and 1 draw would give us a new record.
105 goals (2003-04) – we’re currently on 87 so need to average 4 a game. Unlikely.
33 wins in a season (2001-02) – so far we’ve won 29 of our 33 games so need to win all 5 for a new PB.
32 game unbeaten run (2003-04) – we’ve already beaten that one as we’re curently unbeaten after 33.
Fewest defeats in a season – 1 (2001-02) – I think we are all aware that we are 5 more awa from a new , invincible, recod.(sic) ”
*****
Wow! He was indeed some Martin!
And all while being cheated, too.
From 50 yrs ago….. Cairney
Nice wee read ..
https://t.co/14VFFQvh1z