For any football club to be licenced to play in Uefa competition it has to be up to date with social taxes. The world wondered why in the years prior to their liquidation owing tens of millions to HRMC, Rangers managed to remain up to date for every licence application (made through the SFA).
Football authorities are bound by certain limitations. They can oblige clubs to make them aware of any overdue taxes, but if this information is not forthcoming, they have no powers to demand information from the tax authorise. In short, if you lie, you will get away with it, until and unless you are caught.
Nor can football authorities deal in information of dubious probity. “Some guy on the internet gave me this document” which they should not legally be in possession of, is not the basis to charge a club.
At Craig Whyte’s trial at Glasgow High Court this morning, former director of former Rangers, Donald McIntyre, faced questions from defending counsel and also former director of former Rangers, Donald Findlay.
McIntyre was shown a document dated 2010 from HMRC to Rangers saying tax for PAYE and National Insurance was due on Rangers Discount Options Scheme (DOS), involving players Tore Andre Flo, Craig Moor and Ronald de-Boer was “payable in full”. This tax was never paid and £500k of interest accrued until the club went into liquidation.
McIntyre told the court Rangers had “no choice but to accept liability” as due to the existence of a “side letter”.
Despite this, Rangers signed off their licence application in March 2011, which enabled them to take Scotland’s Champions League qualification spot for season 2011-12.
The irony of this information coming out in a fraud trial will not have escaped you. Some key points:
Information that Rangers were overdue to HMRC prior to their Uefa licence application in 2011 has been confirmed by a competent officer of the company for the first time, in open court.
Rangers DOS scheme for Flo, Moore and Ronald De-Boer was not subject to the SPL’s Lord Nimmo Smith Commission inquiry and has not, thus far, been investigated.
Mr McIntyre is still in the witness box giving evidence.
A note of caution: this is all new information, and anyone who tells you there is an easy way to navigate to the desired outcome is almost certainly overlooking a great deal. It has taken time and patience to get here, both of which are still needed. The banner above is a manifestation of someone else’s neurosis. It’s not the actual truth, so realise this or, as they say, keep taking the pills. What you can be assured of, is that no stone will be left unturned.
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CONNAIRE…
That’s a lot of bad news to deal with all at the same time.You and the loved ones affected will need a lot of strength to get through such a difficult time and hopefully will share the burden with each other.
I don’t pray but I will be wishing you all whatever it takes to help deal with such a sad period and you will never be far from my thoughts.I’m sure the love and memories will provide succour and eventually bring a smile to your saddened hearts.
YNWA
THETIMREAPER on 25TH APRIL 2017 3:29 PM
McIntyre is a prosecution witness btw, oh dear, how’s that working out for ya?!
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Not for the first time you made me lol!
HH jamesgang
Connaire,
Terrible news to experience. I’ll say a prayer for you and all of your family.
Yogi
Still no news on Moussa?
JJ
I don’t always agree with what John James has to say, but it’s hard to argue with this from his latest piece:
“Whyte is being charged with the fraudulent acquisition of 89% of the equity in RFC Plc. If I were Whyte I would countersue to retrieve the £1 he disbursed as he was evidently fleeced.”
Condolences to those who have lost friends and loved ones.
Thoughts and prayers go with you and the families.
Ross County blew first chance of clinching Development Title. Tiny window of opportunity for the young Celts they need to win their last two games against Killie & Hamilton & hope Ross County either lose or draw their final game against Hamilton.
Callum McGragor’s been at Celtic since he was nine years old..
Great wee interview with him on Celtic TV
https://www.celticfc.tv/tv/video/vod/4549
Connaire
Our thoughts and prayers are with you my friend. God Bless and take care.
Sat next to an insurance salesman at a Robby Williams concert last night….
And through it all… he offered me protection… :-)
MARGARET MCGILL on 25TH APRIL 2017 4:22 PM
thomthethim for Oscar OK on 25th April 2017 2:13 pm
Sounds to me you are hoping for consequences.
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Indeed I am.
What has been revealed to date through the evidence provided, validates what has been speculated on, but never proven, over the last few years.
Hopefully more to come.
I don’t give a toss what happens to any of the parcel of rogues, except for the SFA.
It will depend on who (and I include Celtic) uses this information to call the SFA/SPL, as was, to account; for account they must.
There is an arsenal of smoking guns being revealed.
Many people, including, I hope Celtic, have been waiting for sworn testimony from those involved, before proceeding with a course of action.
This should involve title stripping and resignations, at least.
When this is over, there will be decisions to be made by supporters.
We already have some who have turned their back to the game and if there are no consequences , then there will be more.
That would be an Appalling Vista for the game.
The main reason given was that LNS didn’t strip titles because the ‘techniques in question were available to other teams therefore no sporting advantage’. Putting aside the fact that the wee tax case/DOS was not included in LNS, today in open court under oath, Donald McIntyre admitted that at a meeting with HMRC they provided him with a copy of a side letter, therefore RFC had ‘no option but to accept liability’. His words. The side letter was likely for either Moore, Flo or De Boer. Regardless, the scheme in question was not available to other Clubs therefore even going by LNS logic they are bang to rights re Title Stripping.
As for Res 12, McIntyre admitted they were aware of the wee tax case as early as November 2010. It wasn’t declared to the SFA come 31st March 2011 in their submission for a UEFA licence. It’s important to note they didn’t appeal the wee tax case and it was never paid. Murray simply ignored it. Again, bang to rights. The Huns and Regan.
Res12 and Title Stripping in one day, and its only day 3 of the trial. Someone, somewhere must be raging.
Scott Sinclair is quite obviously a fans favourite and he has certainly contributed on the goals front but for some strange reason, I am yet to be convinced. On the other hand, I have been and remain a fan of Callum McGregor.
I think it comes down to players in whom I feel confidence regardless of who we are playing against. Calmac comes into that category as do Simunovic, Tierney,Roberts, Brown and Dembele. Players who are very close to being there ( for me ,remember ) are Armstrong,Griffiths and Rogic.
Gordon has his moments,Lustig seems to have had his best season,Boyata is still improving and I remain hopeful, Biton can be excellent but I fear Scottish football is not for him and Forrest can be brilliant….or not .
I know I have missed some out but, overall,although I am happy with what we have , I still don`t feel as confident as I would like to when we play CL games.
JJ
TTR
This is Scotland you are talking about – there will be plenty of wriggle room
Nothing to see here – move along Timmy
Hot Smoked
I agree with most if not all you are saying though my opinions are sadly formed from tv images alone
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Scott Brown.
Of course Moussa’s injury is career-threatening.
The Scoddish Fitba hacks wouldn’t have it any other way.
If Moussa had acquired a hickey from one of the many young lovelies queueing up for his affections it would be ‘career-threatening’.
Anything to give hope to those desperate Orcs that we’ll not bag tens of millions when the bhoy is eventually shipped out to ZZ to become Madrid’s #9.
James Forrest on todays day in court..
https://thecelticblog.com/2017/04/blogs/a-day-in-court-that-leaves-david-murray-without-a-name/
HH
Connaire: thoughts with you at this sad time. I lived in Phoenix for a year in the mid 80s.
My tuppence worth for what it is worth…
Craig Whyte, could not care less if he is found guilty of either charge. What I am enjoying though is seeing it all played out in Court, showing that oldco were cheats and were up the creek without a paddle.
Will Minty give evidence, in my opinion no chance, he has them all in his pocket and the Brethern will protect him. Will he be stripped of his title, will oldco be stripped of theirs, no chance in my opinion.
Findlay is our new Hero although his efforts will go unrewarded with no action being taken.
Freemasonry is alive and kicking in Scotland.
If HMRC win the appeal it will be a small victory unless titles are stripped and the SFA took to book. It is at times like this I wish Fergus McCann was still in charge…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
thomthethim for Oscar OK on 25th April 2017 5:30 pm
Absolutely agree with you 100%.
The logical moral legal and correct consequences are title stripping, knighthood stripping, jail time for many, the end of Rangers and the demolition of Ibrox. Therefore, a one pound fine max is my guess.
Good evening, friends.
“HMRC needs to be educated about Rangers Football Club’s ability to pay”
Alistair johnston
Along with yesterday’s “glorious institution” board minutes it shows the kultyirral arrogance and lack of insight they had of themselves.
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Connaire12
Thoughts and prayers for you and yours at this time.
Rip joe
Park Road
Alex mc Donnell rip.I will ask BRTH if we can have him on our mass list at Lisbon, a fitting place to remember a good Celtic man
HH
So, they were considering admin in 2010? Blows away “the debt was coming down” and “it was all Craig Whyte’s fault” guff.
I’m assuming this would have been AFTER they bought Jelavic? Nice…..
Hot Smoked
Beware fake news, if you’re looking for a Moussa update.
The SFA will just ignore the revelations, and adopt the attitude that the court case has nothing to do with them. Scottish football media will do the same.
why the need for a financial trouble-shooter to make sure thum not trading while insolvent is it not simple arithmetic ?
Am I being simple.
Nice wild garlic about here.
MARGARET MCGILL on 25TH APRIL 2017 6:07 PM
thomthethim for Oscar OK on 25th April 2017 5:30 pm
Absolutely agree with you 100%.
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Oh ,how I have longed to see that in print.
I can happily go and make my Maker ! : > )
PS.
Maybe after the Cup Final!!
I’ve been working from home the last couple of days while looking after my unwell dog who had a procedure last week that has left him…let’s just say resenting me. Anyway, I’ve been released to go visit the pub and I’ve managed to catch up on all the White trial goings on properly.
I think what has been covered so far has confirmed what we all though; Craig Whyte didn’t sink the Titanic, he just pinched some of the silverware (ok, no footballing silverware…other than flogging to St Etienne velo) before hopping on to a lifeboat while they were calling for women and children.
Anyway, about Sunday. I didn’t watch the match until last night. A much more pleasant way to enjoy THAT kind of game. I, amongst others on here, have always rated McGregor – he may not be a player for every match but his contributions over the course of a season are worth their weight in gold.
Hallyday/Garner/Bates/Wilson/Beerman…LOL
Bunch of diddies
Broonie? He made it look so easy.
I think I’ll probably not watch the game on Saturday either…
Information that Rangers were overdue to HMRC prior to their Uefa licence application in 2011 has been confirmed by a competent officer of the company for the first time, in open court.
Rangers DOS scheme for Flo, Moore and Ronald De-Boer was not subject to the SPL’s Lord Nimmo Smith Commission inquiry and has not, thus far, been investigated.
Mr McIntyre is still in the witness box giving evidence
There’s only one thing I would say on this matter at this moment……………………” GOODY GOODY GUM DROPS !
Hahahahaha
HH
I just can’t resist…McCoist today was overheard wandering aimlessly in and about the streets around The Glasgow High Court………” Who are these peepil that are telling the truth in Court….I demand to know their names…who are these peepil ” ?
best laugh I’ve had all day I just can’t get enough of the TRUTH….give it to us.
HH
very good blog! neurosis p67, you mean somebody else’s fault, it’s all somebody else fault – what’s that got ot do with evidence?
Unconfirmed reports from certain Smsm ‘sources’ state that Moussa Dembele may never play again!
HH!!
I hate to have to report that one of CQN’s long time poster is …well…. a bounder! I know this will shake CQN to its core …but the truth has to be told.
this is hard to write ….am struggling to see the keyboard through the tears… but, here it goes…
Torontony … whom we all know (or at least, thought we knew) … someone I have invited into my home… someone I have thought of as a brother …. he …. he …. he …. (sorry, I am struggling to even say it …)
he ate my roll and sausage on the weekend!!!!!!
The CSC had extras after the game, and he grabbed a few … and, as we all know, I LOVE me a good roll and sausage (a well fired roll, with a bit of brown sauce…mmmm!!!!) , and I haven’t been to the club in a while (so haven’t had a good roll and sausage in ages)…. so, I am assuming that if they had extras, he would bring one to his best mate…… but, he grabbed an extra one ….but rather than bring one to his best pal (me)….
he ATE it!!!!!!
I know you will all be shocked at this flagrant breach of the bhoy/bro code … but I thought you should know.
And when I told him that I was going to name and shame him… he laughed (a wicked laugh that turned my blood cold … well, he actually did one of those little smiley face emoticon thingys…), and said (or texted more accurately) ‘publish and be damned’ … or something like that)
… shocking!
If you are off to Lisbon…. beware …. he’ll be there …. so, whatever you do, dont leave any rolls and sausages lying around .. he might just eat them on you!
I’m off to lie down… but I thought CQN needed to know.
Snyde saying MD out for the season
!!BADA BING!!
That could be 5 weeks!
MIKE IN TORONTO
He sounds like the kind of chap who would pick thems that play out of ibrox in goals for Shay competition…
Oh wait a minute… ;-)
Bognor …. sure, kick a guy while he is down (and hungry!) …. :)
‘What you can be assured of, is that no stone will be left unturned.’
Re above extract from the blog today, who are you referring to when you talk about unturning stones? Donald QC, Celtic or the SFA. I assume you mean the former. I’m pleased you’ve picked up on the implications of the DOS re LNS enquiry/Title Stripping. I’m a bit miffed that James Forrest and John James haven’t.