For any football club to be licenced to play in Uefa competition it has to be up to date with social taxes. The world wondered why in the years prior to their liquidation owing tens of millions to HRMC, Rangers managed to remain up to date for every licence application (made through the SFA).
Football authorities are bound by certain limitations. They can oblige clubs to make them aware of any overdue taxes, but if this information is not forthcoming, they have no powers to demand information from the tax authorise. In short, if you lie, you will get away with it, until and unless you are caught.
Nor can football authorities deal in information of dubious probity. “Some guy on the internet gave me this document” which they should not legally be in possession of, is not the basis to charge a club.
At Craig Whyte’s trial at Glasgow High Court this morning, former director of former Rangers, Donald McIntyre, faced questions from defending counsel and also former director of former Rangers, Donald Findlay.
McIntyre was shown a document dated 2010 from HMRC to Rangers saying tax for PAYE and National Insurance was due on Rangers Discount Options Scheme (DOS), involving players Tore Andre Flo, Craig Moor and Ronald de-Boer was “payable in full”. This tax was never paid and £500k of interest accrued until the club went into liquidation.
McIntyre told the court Rangers had “no choice but to accept liability” as due to the existence of a “side letter”.
Despite this, Rangers signed off their licence application in March 2011, which enabled them to take Scotland’s Champions League qualification spot for season 2011-12.
The irony of this information coming out in a fraud trial will not have escaped you. Some key points:
Information that Rangers were overdue to HMRC prior to their Uefa licence application in 2011 has been confirmed by a competent officer of the company for the first time, in open court.
Rangers DOS scheme for Flo, Moore and Ronald De-Boer was not subject to the SPL’s Lord Nimmo Smith Commission inquiry and has not, thus far, been investigated.
Mr McIntyre is still in the witness box giving evidence.
A note of caution: this is all new information, and anyone who tells you there is an easy way to navigate to the desired outcome is almost certainly overlooking a great deal. It has taken time and patience to get here, both of which are still needed. The banner above is a manifestation of someone else’s neurosis. It’s not the actual truth, so realise this or, as they say, keep taking the pills. What you can be assured of, is that no stone will be left unturned.
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Auldheid
I kind of zoomed in on that and some other detail (re: contracts) several sub-sections on from your C&P.
Enjoy your bedtime reading! :-)
TAL … oops! I think you are right. All good here … the doc is back this weekend, so that will be nice. all good with you?
Canamalar … this ‘best interest of the shareholder’ thing means whatever people want it to mean…
I think the best outcome for the Board (and what I believe they were hoping would happen) is that, behind closed doors, a deal would be done ….the bad guys would realize that the crap was about to come out, deals would be done to clean things up somehow, and the game in Scotland would go on …. Celtic would be far enough ahead financially, and would go from strength to strength …. Celtic run away with titles, Sevco would still exist, dirty laundry would not be aired, and everyone would go forward …..
conversely, if the crap all comes out, the game in Scotland suffers a real hit to its credibility … which is worse for some, but bad for all involved …. and Celtic may suffer if the league in which it plays is seen to be a sham … (even if Celtic were not involved)….
if the truth comes out, the SPL takes a hit, maybe loses some sponsors, which means less money to spread amongst the various teams …. less revenue for Celtic … and volia, it is in the best interest of Celtic shareholders for the truth not to come out …
I have seen in my 25 years that anything and its opposite can be justified under the BISH test …
It’s all about the bigot £, everything else pales into obscurity, honesty and integrity, don’t make me laugh.
Praecepta,
I honestly believe sevco couldn’t care less about what rangers done, however if there is a way we can pin it to the SFA and make them responsible as auditors then I believe the Plc need to take action, for the last 4 years all their superior resources regarding Res12 have been engaged in thwarting our quest for justice, ask Tony Donnelly 0)
Are there any good lip readers on here.
I was told today by a mate, that when Brendan and Pedro embraced at full time on Sunday, multi lingual Brendan was speaking Portuguese to his opponent, which tickled Bro Pedro. :)
DD … I thought Brendan had learned Spanish … so I wouldn’t be surprised if he picked up some portugese was well.
MIT,
there are clear guidelines on this and thats the only reason Res12 was not dismissed at the start, it registered with both the city and the authorities and those same people are still watching. All shareholders interests must be protected not only corporate bulk.
CANAMALAR
I agree re: Auditors;
1) SFA in the Dock;
2) Oldco Accountants in the Dock;
2a) therefore Minty (and MIH) in the Dock!
TET,
we know that but it is now becoming very clear who the Plc consider important, the SFA over the support/ordinary shareholders, is it any wonder they have been keeping silent and demanding silence.
Praecepta,
taking P67’s statement at face value, their will be no further action taken because the SFA are and always have been blameless, bought into the corruption and happy being the victim. Not in my name
MIT
No problem mate.
Remember, as you sit in exile, that there are thousands with the same view regarding the shenanigans of our board. I am enjoying the good times on the park at the moment and I’m feeling blessed we have a guy like Brendan Rodgers at the helm.
The Board will never be Celtic….WE ARE!
Get yer arse back up to the club.
I got another item done on my bucket list tonight…………By telling a lawyer to govern himself accordingly :-)
Hope to see you soon
HH
Canamalar
I am pretty familiar with the law on oppression cases. As always, I am not licensed in Scotland, but the case law on this is pretty consistent in most of the common law countries … from Foss onwards… and the Corporation laws on this are also quite consistent …. honestly, I dont see this as an avenue whereby Celtic shareholders will get redress …
but, you are more aware of what was said and done in this case, so I will defer to you on this… and hope that you are right, and that some good will come from all of this (if only so I can get back to watching the bhoys!)
I bought a St.Pauli shirt today … may be my new team to watch until we get this mess sorted out! but, to paraphrase a great … MiT (St. Pauli fan) will never sound as right as MiT (Celtic fan).
MiT
Aye. Knew that Brendan is fluent in Spanish, as is my mate Danny who told me this story today.
Canman
I told Auldheid the very same when I saw him last, the little man is expendable fodder, they who must be protected will be and that includes the suits of Celtic sad to say, you are banging your head against the proverbial brick wall mi amigo, and they know it.
I have said from the get go that withholding money is the ONLY thing they will react to, everything else is to be honest, a waste of time as is becoming clear.
HH
Canamalar
Good man.
Keep on keepin on!
TAL .. glad I could be of some assistance in getting that off your bucket list! but since that seems to relate to the provision of legal services…. where should I send my account?
hope to catch up with you soon!
:)
mike in toronto on 25th April 2017 10:48 pm
The dilemma faced is will more folk walk away on knowing the truth than will stay not caring about it.
MIT,
it was never not going to come out, double negatives rule ya bas
The Plc at the time could have led the way to clean up the game in scochland but decided it wasn’t worth the effort, behind closed doors and controlling the narrative was their response, which in effect is to condone the corruption.
I’m reminded f one of our earliest meetings where I was told winning the farry case was a great victory, one simple question killed that argument, Why am I here now then ?
winning the farry case done the square root of eff all, the corruption continued because they were allowed to work behind closed doors and the same will happen again unless there is wholesale change which will never happen as long as that is how business is done.
TAL
Love your statement.
“The board will never be Celtic…….WE ARE.”
My late father who despised Robert Kelly and Desmond White said something similar often when I was a child.
HH
Auldheid/Canamalar
I dont disagree (another double negative – just for Canam) … and I agree with TET that money talks, and the only thing that will cause a change is if enough fans say they have had enough and walk away …
but, I am less and less confident that enough fans will do ‘the right thing’ to make a difference.
well, gents …off for my dinner … will check in later.
cheers.
CANAMALAR
I have often thought the longer this debacle has ran – why UEFA do not require some form of Financial Authorities (approved) Certification as part of FFP when any Club applies for a European Licence.
Hell – try taking £10K cash out your account and then pay it into another account (say your Kid’s) and you have to undergo all the ‘money laundering’ checks.
There has to be a more accountable Auditing Process by the Governing Bodies. If the pan-European system is so lax – surely there must be other financial breaches similar to the SFA/Oldco out there?
Not much on TV, thought i would watch some of the game again. The chance Waghorn had on 79 mins, he was two yards offside, the lino waited a full 4 seconds to put the flag up, the flag going up immediately after he blazed over. Cheating bassa.
anyroadup,
three and a half hours till work, might be a good idea to get a little kip. I hate my hackles, they keep me awake. I’ve sat and read some amout of shite over the last few months and managed to ignore the cyclical arguments but tonight I was astounded of forehead to read what was offered as fact from someone who is respected and taken at his word by most, spin is the only conclusion I can reconcile that statement with and spin that supports the SFA is scurrelous in my book.
night night n hail hail
A friend of mine said that the match on Saturday was a ‘dead rubber’ game – I don’t agree, but I looked up the origin of the term.
‘In the Davis Cup, each match played between countries is called a tie because, in effect, all the countries in that level are equal to each other. Each tie is composed of two singles matches, a doubles match, and then reverse singles matches. All matches are called rubbers. Each rubber is a best-of-five sets match. To win the tie and progress to the next round, a team must win three of the five rubbers. If a team wins the first three rubbers, the last two are called dead rubbers because they will not count on whether the team will advance or not. The dead rubbers are best-of-three sets.’
Turkeybhoy
Unfortunately I have heard the hun lyrics to the Tiffany song. Would never post any anti Catholic words on here, but I am sure you can guess the content.
TET.10.50pm
100% correct .
MIT,
we are becoming like any big english club, choc a block with glory hunters that could be watching their favourite WWF wrestler, exactly the way the Plc want it to go, they really dont want discerning customers they want glory hunters who can either pay or be financed to pay whatever is asked. Filling Celtic Park with corporate customers is their ideal goal. Anyone who thinks different is deluding themselves.
Evening All.
I disagree with everyone on this but am too tired to explain why.
I think the SFA and UEFA if necessary did have the right to go to the Tax authorities and seek independent clarification but am too tired to seek out the appropriate sections and powers.
The fact that they didn’t is damning but is irrelevant to the impact of the current evidence. Whether they could have clarified things before now has no bearing at all in the event that what is now being said is wholly different to what was submitted to the SFA at the time — and that is the key issue.
Reading Paul’s article I see he ends with an assurance that no stone will be left unturned in looking into all of this.
Clearly, there are many on here who think that is bullshit, and it may be so, but then again not 72 hours ago there were others who predicted that Donald Findlay’s main job in this trial was to protect and preserve the reputation of David Murray.
It appears to me that he is in fact doing everything he can to point out that Murray buggered up Rangers PLC long before Whyte arrived on the scene, and that there was a practice of non disclosure and possibly false accounting and submissions well before Whyte got his hands on the club.
If that is correct, and I fail to see how it isn’t, then how does that testimony stand in comparison to the written submissons prepared by the club as at March 2011? If a completely different set of facts are now being spoken to, then one can only conclude that the previous submissions were wrong or inaccurate, and irrespective of whether the SFA did jack shit or not at the time, the whole thing is worthy of a further commission and investigation now.
Right I am off to sleep- just not enough hours in the day!!
TTR
Chill mate. We won. Their absolutely shite at the game of fitba. The linesman was feeling sorry for Waggy after witnessing the worst bit of ball control I have ever witnessed fae a pro player. So funny that run doon the left wing and out the byeline in front of his adoring scum fans. My son had tears streaming and near pissed himself laughing.
DD
To be fair to Waggy he only had 60 yards to run into and control the ball…..maybe he had other things on his mind.
https://twitter.com/davidkerr1970/status/856214189517545472
DD, are you going to the St J game? Almore wants yer ticket for the mini hun game.
The hunchback’s control of the ball down the wing on Sunday was indeed a sight to behold. Looked a bit like wan of them pigs they use in French woods for rooting oot truffles.
BRTH
Findlay is doing his job to make sure Whyte is not found guilty of fraud.
No one will be found guilty of any consequence and there will be no consequences anywhere for anyone. When the dust settles over all the un-turned stones all those culpable will promise that they will never ever do it again at least not until the next time.
Spirit of 67 Lisbon 17 Sclaffbaw update.
12 Sclaffers: 26th May 2017
Acgr, young Acgr, Kickinthenakas, Cosycornerbhoy, Skyisalandfill, Grafittionthewall, Thetimreaper, Torontony, Bro of Tornontony, Best mate of Torontony, Parisian Tim, Mrs Parisian Tim.
Times confirmed at Belas Club de Campo for 13.00, 13.10 and 13.20.
https://www.belasclubedecampo.pt/golf/?lang=en
Costs as per the mail / text / call you all received for green fee, shared buggies and club hire. Parisian Tim, yours are minus the sclaffbat hire.
Pick up and drop off is organised to be paid on the day, though we may need to look at the return time as it’s a bit tight at the moment. Two vehicles picking up at two of the four hotels, and I’ll post about this later.
Mind yer sclaffbaw boots, baws and accoutrements, and try to get a handicap cert from your home club as the Belas website states they require this.
1 month to go
HH
and in the meantime cha ching on the bigot buck
See you on Saturday, Tav.
https://twitter.com/james_tavernier/status/723946969618632706
TTR
His fans adore him. Not.
ACGR
Poor Waggy is only a stone or two overweight.
Sheds that in the summer and we could be in trouble fae the piglet.
See you at Saint John’s Toon game.