Information leaked from Charles Green that he is due to meet Celtic chief executive, Peter Lawwell today. I’ve no idea if it’s true (sooo many wrong steers from over there) but, if accurate, it puts our man in an invidious position. Mr Green appears generous when reviewing the success of meetings.
At his infamous ‘Blood on their hands’ press conference, would-be-pope-of-Ibrox, Brian Kennedy, told us “HMRC will not agree to a CVA until the very last minute”. Why would they? We believe Green has offered £8.5m but he has spoken about having raised £20m. If HMRC are negotiating at all (and I have my doubts) they will want as much of that £20m as possible, and I’m sure they will, as Mr Kennedy suggested, wait until the very last minute before agreeing to anything (they won’t, b.t.w.).
None of this matters to Mr Green, he can say HMRC told him they’ll scrub the debt if he paints the Blue Room pink and no one can contradict him. He is likely to be looking for some comfort from Mr Lawwell but I am sure he will be told that Celtic are unable to support any measure to parachute a Newco into the SPL (after his CVA fails, which it will). Mr Green, who is also trying to maintain the support of the backers needed to commit cash by Friday, will almost certainly emerge from the meeting uttering words like “constructive”, “helpful” or maybe even “very positive”.
He is wasting his time. Words like “sobering”, “alarming” and “downright obstinate” might be closer to the truth.
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ScotPatsFan
I was at Celtic Park today too, Driving up the new road from the Dalmarnock off ramp on the M74 I have to say it looks like an avenue approach to the stadium, what a change for the better.
Season Tickets Season tickets
Always a subject to divide the support.
It always an issue I feel disappointed in how the Celtic support gets treated by the Celtic PR machine which is more often than not as customers.
Whatever it takes to get as many people as possible over the line.
In the light of the unanswered question of whether the huns will be playing in the SPL next season and in the middle of the longest and most severe recession of modern times – I have been left disappointed again in how Celtic have dealt with the support.
Whether or not to renew the season ticket for a lot of Celtic supporters has never been more difficult, not least since many will be on the brew for the first time since season tickets boomed in 95.
An increase of circa £50 per season is out of touch with the sentiment of emotion involved in trying to make that decision, or unhelpful at best.
On top of that people dont know whether the two hun games, which was worth £84 of the season book alone will even count., so there is the real possibility that in real terms the book might have gone up by the guts of £100.
Again, not helping when it comes to crunch time in trying to find the money necessary to renew your book.
So to set a deadline that would expire before that question is answered – leaving the issue of whether or not there will be ANY ‘competition’ whatsoever within the ‘product’ of what these customers are forking out for, is again out of sentiment with how we should be approaching it.
Freeze the price of the season books and offer a guarantee of a certain amount of money back should the huns be put out of the league, offer both home legs of the champs league qualifiers for free (knowing that the price of a hot atmosphere could far outweighs the loss of £20 or so x 30k people), finding a credit firm who will offer the same interest free payment terms on the purchase as you can get from any number of firms found on moneysupermarket and generally speaking showing that you are trying to work with the support is all I ask for but never see.
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Gordon_J
Thank you for your response, so not a set in stone thing.
I agree totally with your other point, I used to think their were two unavoidables…Death & Taxes, not now it seems :-)
Bonty only comes on to spread dissent. A semi-educated Orc with a huge opinion of himself. Celtic are a force for good in so many ways, and it’s hard to pin anything on them. Therefore you can choose a subject such as Nike and child labour. The only problem is that that applies to thousands of football clubs, Rugby clubs, Athletic clubs et al. So if dear ol’ Bonty wishes, I suggest he contacts each and everyone, then sets up a Fairtrade Collective, where the rest of us “semi-literates” can purchase whiter than white football shirts and marvel at his awesomeness. You can also insult bloggers (although you yourself have been off said blog for many moons, perhaps greetin’ at the coming doom of a Scottish institution) and then dip in now and again.
On another matter, it has been said here hundreds of times–Celtic need do nothing in the present situation over the Orcs. That’s why Traynor and the rest are trying it on, from advance ticket money to Green “meeting” Peter Lawell. Let them fester.
James Forrest–you are a gifted writer, but somethings you can’t control, and neither can Celtic or the Board. Do you think this mess would have gone on so long if they could?
Things must take their course, and when they do the Celtic and the supporters will decide on what action they can take. I’ve said before that I would be surprised if they have not had various “wargame” scenarios and worked out a response to each. Have a good sleep tonight and read the kids a story in bed–or even tell them a tale of Lisbon 1967!!
BIG-CUP-WINNERS on 28 May, 2012 at 19:03 said:
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Yes….huns were getting properly skelped,which is their just desserts.
Whereas ours is…..
”Posted on 28 May, 2012 by Paul67 Information leaked from Charles Green that he is due to meet Celtic chief executive, Peter Lawwell today. I’ve no idea if it’s true”
Anyone else of the opinion that it would be nice of Celtic to let us know whether it’s true or not?
JF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIKSOlje7Q
please
ernie
Paul posted earler that he had been informed that no one from Celtic met with Green or anyone else today.
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Kojo..
Me Olde Buddi.. Guid Tae See Ye Back on da Blog..
Hope You are Recuperating Guid and Have Recovered from all they Nurses..
Just to Update You My Bhoy Georgious has been on High Attitude Training for Euro 2012.. And is Bursting to Get At Emm..
My Mate who is a Football Coach Tipped Sammi to Be Top Goalscorer in the Euros..:0(
I’m Going to Get Him out on Day Release from the Funny farm for one of Greeces Games..Ha..
Still Lauding Sammi..
Summa
TheGreenManalishi(WithTheTwoProngedCrown
Can I second that?
Fire In Babylon is a wicked film:) We were spoilt for sports docu-films last year.
Senna was wonderful but Fire In Babylon is that plus a social document also.
P.S. My ma often told me that Greig’s in Bathgate was owned by relations of Tony ‘make them grovel’ Greig…any thoughts CQNers?
To be fair to Tony he made amends latterly – IMHO – with his often poised, self-deprecating, insightful punditry during the 2005 Ashes on C4.
An extraordinary summer of cricket, the like of which we may never see again.
StumpsCSC
Paul67 et al
I do not know for sure how long the SPL and the SFA can play pass the parcel, because sooner or later someone is gonna drop the big one. The latest valiant attempt, this time by the SPL, to give life support to a moribund Rangers FC involves giving them what has been referred to as “a period of grace”. Now whether that will end up with Rangers FC being in a state of grace God only knows. You would have to say the prospect is unlikely. Even so the extension, to June 15, to produce documents to the SPL, creates what only two weeks ago was considered a complicating factor. We were told, were we not, that the company contracted by the SPL to create the 2012-13 fixture list, needed to know the actual membership of the league by June 7. Now, I am not sure it was necessary to subcontract said work to Canada, (more than a few on here could draw it up in a couple of hours), given that you have only twelve teams playing each other three times initially, but needs must. Not exactly rocket science, although it may seem like it, to the Chic Youngs of this world. So, yet another deadline to be moved, yet another extension to be granted, yet another indecision to be made!
Kojo..
Great to read you back!!! Take it easy.. Drop in and out.. Get some support on here..
CQN..making life better..
HH
Celtic Mac on 28 May, 2012 at 19:49 said:
so well put
Scotland is in a bad way when such as Cowan has a job for state media
hamiltontim on 28 May, 2012 at 19:47 said:
Thanks. Missed that.
Does this mean that Green hasn’t done a deal with HMRC either?
If there had been any meeting today the media would have been all over it.
James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 28 May, 2012 at 17:41 said:
lennon’s passion:
I have a feeling we’re all going to know shortly mate.
For the record, I still believe our club will act appropriately. For years people on this site have defended the strategy we have pursued, that of fiscal discipline and good governance. It took me a long time to buy into it, and it has cost us trophies, heartache and, I believe, a lot of infighting over the timeframe.
To reject that now, to embrace a club which has done the exact opposite, to risk reputational damage of incalculable proportions, to risk the fragmentation of our support and to essentially accept unacceptable violations of the rules, of the integrity of the game and cement Rangers position as the dominant force in our national game … I do not believe our board would do it.
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This, and your earlier posts,James; I think perhaps you need to look into that mirror and ask yourself the question:
If this were 1994, would you be opposed to the incoming Fergus McCann?
After all, fiscal prudence was Fergus’ strategy and the hapless incumbents played the ‘big bad capitalist’ card to the max; Michael Kelly’s mantra at the time was hand-wringing dismay at the ‘loss of Celtic’s soul’.
Would you have been suckered by such plaintive appeals to your ideology?
Perhaps your judgement over current issues is clouded by sentiment; you must learn that where Celtic is concerned, that for progress, sentiment must be reduced in influence and pragmatism be the base upon which important decisions are founded.
Fergus McCann taught us that, my generation of fans who were swept along with Celts For Change.
Fergus whose ‘cold-hearted’ fiscal policies were pilloried by many, used as a stick to beat him for ‘selling Celtic’s soul’.
Fergus, whose ability to marry sentiment and practicality into an ideology which has in 18 years reduced the imperialist Huns to desperate, thuggish paupers, scraping around on their blo0died knees (up to their own blood, now).
Fergus, who you should think of when you jump the gun and scatter invective around as you sometimes do. Eloquent it may be, but like in the early season regards Lenny’s position, does you no favours.
Look in the mirror, yes, but realise you’re better than that soul-searching nonsense.
If there’s a plan to take Celtic forward that involves the Huns in some capacity, then I’ll trust the board has its numbers and strategy correct.
They haven’t put a foot wrong yet, right through all the Hun death-throes. They’ve let the Huns squabble among themselves, given the media lapdogs no soundbites, kept their powder dry as a bone.
Maybe they do want the huns alive. Maybe they think we can use them to make Celtic more powerful; have them in harness, fed titbits, slapped about when we feel like it, chained to the kennel like some belligerent little rabid mongrel. Or maybe they want a vanquishing, dust to history’s winds.
Whatever they decide on, we as the support must stop acting with our gut instinct and consider that long-term strategy. We’d be sentimental, and probably deluded fools, to imagine they had made any sort of epoch-forging decision about the Huns without incredible hypothesising and dilligence; personally I can flip-flop day to day whether I want them extinct or under our heel forever.
HT
Tomorrow then ?
HH
Evening everyone. My random thoughts, for what they’re worth, on the topics of the day.
On the alledged proposed meeting between Messrs Green and Lawwell, it seems like the only source we have for that is the Daily Ranger, and to be honest, and like most on here, I wouldn’t believe that rag if it said today was Monday. So I’m not getting too hot under the collar about that one.
On Mr Cowan’s comments, my issue here is that if you search on the internet for any major sportswear manufacturer and couple it with the work “sweatshop”, you will find allegations of improper employment practices in the third world. Most big teams have been supplied kit by most of the big manufacturers, but yet again it it Celtic that is the object of his criticism, and at the very time when a Celtic related charity is at least trying to make a difference to the lives of children in Thailand.
On the season ticket renewal issue, I don’t see the point of harming Celtic financially for the misdeeds of others. I think Celtic are doing the right thing by keeping their thoughts to themselves while the situation is so fluid, and I expect them to reflect the opinions of the vast majority of the supporters when the time comes for them to act. My only concern is I would like to see an end to all O*d F*rm activity, and hope that we have seen an end to all joint sponsorships etc. Why should we assist that crowd to recovery on the back of our good name and sound financial management.
The Prince of Goalkeepers
I think Green is a wee bit of a fibber!!!
TootingTim
Amazing footage in that fiilm of batsmen facing Lillee, Thompson, Holding etc without any helmets.
And Viv ‘MasterBlaster’ Richards saying that he was prepared to die out on the pitch in the second Australian series.
Cannyt believe I’m payin roamin rates just to see bhoys slaggin bhoys and the renewed rantin of kojo. I find his stuff manky anyway without the added refs to his knackers. On that note it is bonfire night on the nudist beach with multiple jigglin of bits various. Nice. Pax vobiscum.
I wonder if anyone from Rangers, never mind Celtic, has met Mr C Green.
RRC: on 28 May, 2012 at 18:44 said:
As always I could be wrong, but, doesn’t HMRC’s own regulations mean they cannot do deals on unpaid PAYE or VAT?
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There are several reasons why HMRC would reject a CVA. Wilful non-payment of PAYE, VAT, NI would be a reason for HMRC normally saying no. However if it can be proved that the individuals that did not pay this i.e. (Whtye and the then directors) were no involved with the company now then HMRC may consider it. So Green may get around that issue.
The killer for the HMRC rejecting a CVA is if there has been any attempt at tax evasion. If HMRC is saying that RFC evaded tax by operating EBT’s then it is a definite no.
PeteTheBeat
Yes he did, didn’t he? I think that may have been when Vivyan finally revealed to us all the hitherto cloaked socio-political (Pseuds Corner:)) drive that elevated him to the pantheon.
And to think that those Aussies were quicker than most of today’s quicks – and were faced down by the likes of Brian Close in his flannels and shirt.
Extraordinary times.
On one of the topics de jour. Sure it’s been said before, many times on here, by better-informed folk than me.
We all know they’re gonna go. Would you want to be the one who administers the 999th and 1,000th cut?
Hence the parcel-passing charade of AccountsExtensionGate(ByElevenWeeks)…and counting.
“It’s gonna happen, happen, happens all the time…”
FatMrXAndTheYoungGirlCSC
Pete the beat et al : relieved to see that the references to a lack of a helmet did not appear in the same post as “the bowler’s Holding, the batsman’s Willey”
Panorama – Stadiums of Hate Is this another documentary about rfcia?
Hail hail
Ggh
One of my favourite memories of he “Grieg will make them grovel” was when the windies guys made the wee song “who”s grovelling now? Grieg you’re a loser somehow” sung to the tune of who’s sorry now? A classic. Also very adaptable as it could be applied to a former director of rfcia.
Interesting wee read about CVA’s, The despicable Huns etc
Brendan McKenna @brendanmckenna1
@MattMcGlone9 Rangers FC, CVA’s and HMRC Insolvency experts @mlmsolutionsuk latest blog http://mlm-solutions.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/rangers-fc-hmrc-and-cvas.html Worth a read and RT
Alasdair Lamont@BBCAlLamont
Ticketus have received Rangers’ Cva proposal this evening. More to follow (hopefully)
Raman Bhardwaj@STVRaman
Duff and Phelps: CVA proposals to be published tomorrow. Creditors’ meeting – Thursday June 14
I will be very interested in the valuation of The Stadium by the liquidators in comparison to the alleged value shown in the club accounts.
No laughing about the accounts please.
garygillespieshamstring
I only played cricket once.
I was batting quite well until I was out ‘having an indiscreet slash outside the off stump’.
I shouldn’t have drunk all that beer beforehand :-)
garygillespieshamstring on 28 May, 2012 at 20:25 said:
”I will be very interested in the valuation of The Stadium by the liquidators in comparison to the alleged value shown in the club accounts.”
Indeed.
Which will raise the question of how long the huns had been trading whilst insolvent.
Ally Lamont….
Aye.
minstrelbhoy67 @bm1967cfc
Rangers crisis: Creditors in limbo as CVA proposal fails to materialise
Stv also reporting this!!!
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See badge designs here – http://flic.kr/ps/2ddp5F
If you have not already done so and would like a NEW cqn badge please email myself or CRC at – cqnbadges@gmail.com
Anyone who has already pre-ordered you should have received an email regarding your orders
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A huge thank you from Bundoran Bhoy and Celtic Roller Coaster (and Paul67 ;-) )
With these clubs owed money, how can Green use the £3.5m the orcs are owed to pay for the CVA, surely it belongs to the clubs below.
Maybe a wee email to these clubs letting them know they are being shafted and see if the go to uefa or take legal action!!!
AS St Etienne, France £252,212.39
Arsenal Football Club £136,560
Chelsea FC £238,345.43
SK Rapid, Austria £1,011,763.44
Orebro SK £150,000
US Citta di Palermo, Italy £205,513.04
Heart of Midlothian FC £800,000
Manchester City FC £328,248.71