I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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Oh well, kids hyper, Rebs on now as the monkey next door is playing his penny whistle.
Morning Timland
Off out in the next half hour to go for a wee Magners Breakfast.
Not been thinking about the game too much during the week after all why should i have been.
Think and hope this will be an easy day i will go for 3-1 with them getting the usual penalty.
My Da used to say remember son they canny take it no matter the score.
So be good and be safe and give them LALDY.
HH
I’m a. Bit dissapointed with today’s match program, nothing about newco or liquidation or anything about thems, was I expecting somethings? To be very honest, no I wasent, but I’m a Wee bit dissapointed they ignored it, so anyone thinking buying a program thinking it’ll be juicey, don’t, it’s not.
MWD
It is mate we’ve done it for the last couple of years.
Celtic to wear the National Famine Memorial Day logo on their kit today as they face Sevco at Celtic Park.
VeryFitting CSC
Bankie
The lawn rANGER must be related to Lee Wallace?
Sinkers…………….. at 6/1 for the first goal
Shirley CSC
BSR
;)
………..btw, How’s Dick McGhee?
……must dash.
HH
Starry
You brought back a great memory earlier, I also won a pair of those Billy McNeill shinguards. I wanted my dad to pick them up as I couldn’t imagine them being posted all the way to West Lothian:-)
That’s me sorted. Half nine train from bathgate to high st then down to the Gallowgate. in my 50+ years of going to the games I have never experienced being there pre match. Will spend an hour or so before heading into town.
Just do it Celtic.
Who is up for the Rangers/ Sevco/ Newco / Shoe horn into the league co challenge?
£3 for every goal Celtic score ?
Come on, help the homeless while supporting Celtic.
Thanks to all those who have pledged already.
http://ln.is/mydonate.bt.com/fund/m64aj … … … …
Big match fever begins
Zombies, hat and big mouth will be crapping it just about now. A big score giruy from The champions. If the PLC don’t say anything in the match program I am sure that the GB banner will. Drown out the zombie spew fest they are going to find out that there new club is shite. Mon the hoops.
Today’s CQN Coupon –
Awalkacrosstherooftops: Sheffield Wednesday
Blatyretim: Plymouth
Jobo Baldie: Aberdeen
Lennybhoy: Luton
Pogmathonyahun: Preston
The Token Tim: Huddersfield
Remember that this has already been said though there has been silence since.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr7jf21XgAACnpn.jpg
COME
ON
YOU
BHOYS
IN
GREEN
Kenny Miller remains the only player to have played for the three clubs in the ‘old firm’.
Unique CSC
Morning all.
Well, here we go.
Only the third meeting between the two clubs, the first time in the league.
Glad I’m in Italia, away from all the O** F*** shoite.
Have been given permission by the two women to watch the game, while they sun themselves on a nearby beach.
No score prediction from me, but I expect us to win with a bit to spare.
Complacency?
Not from me, and I’m pretty sure that Brendan has made it abundantly clear to the players what he, and us the fans, expect from them.
The starting formation?
Nae idea. I’ll leave that decision in Brendan’s capable hands!
COYBIG!
HH!!
Looking forward to the green brigade banner/s. Hope one is a dodo with the words ” dead not coming back!” 3.0 will do me.
HAMILTONTIM on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 7:50 AM
31 years ago today our greatest ever manager passed away.
Jock Stein RIP
i’ll second that HT.
Grew up with the big man in charge of the Celtic, so many memories of Big jock hard to pick the best out.
Let’s hope he’s looking down today and smiling as we gub this scum of a new club ROTTEN !!!!!
HAPPY HOOOOOPY BIRTHDAY to
Mrs GERRYFAETHEBRIG!!!!!
Hope yer lovely fella is a happy man tonight and spreads the happiness around.
Have a guid yin…
Wee Oscar would have been 8 today. Happy Birthday wee man, hope your green and white light is shining down on us, eternally.
TeamOscarForever
The game can wait, some of us have a wee 5K ParkRun run to do first. For every 5 seconds I get under 22 minutes, Celtic will score a goal ;-)
pressuresonnowCSC
MONTHEHOOOOOOOPS!!!!!
Do it for football,rub their noses in it.
Do it for Jock,the man who put them in their place-the grubber.
Do it for Wee Oscar,our little big man with the heart of a Lion.
HH
Bobby cheers
CRC
The wee mhan is always in my prayers especially on this day, not only same birthday but same day as the wee blade
By the way well done Celtic with the tribute far more important than justifying any old club new club scenario
Far more important things
Enjoy your day fellow Celts
HASHADENOUGH
Pop down to Cqn corner and say hello to the bhoys n ghirls
Next to pools office
Mini BT will be there as my da is picking her up at 9.30
Stay safe today bhoys, and come home safe.
Bobby
The wee yin just pointed out….
It’s MISSGFTB’s birthday !!!!!!!
Happy birthday wee GFTB jnr
Forget about the football Gerry and spoil your daughter rotten.
Also wee Oscar
God rest his soul
Td67
Just saw your 10 seconds of fame. Clydesdales and thoroughbreds.
Nice one Antonio
HH
John ‘Jock’ Stein.
A giant among men.
Gone but never forgotten.
HH!!
BT
I had already told her I was all hers today but divine intervention a few weeks back and she decided she is having a girls party day with her mum and her pals from school at the showcase, am afraid it looks like I will be watching the hoops today in your post code with SH
HAPPY HOOOOOPY ANNIVERSARY to
Mr and Mrs ACGR!!!!!!
Day late,but seems that puts me in good company(!)
Be prepared for the vilest bigotfest ever heard from that mob today.
HAPPY HOOOOOOPY BIRTHDAY to
Miss GERRYFAETHEBRIG
Renember to hammer yer Dadnfor everything under the sun when he’s in a good mood later…
MONTHEHOOOOOOPS!!!!!
Oh,we’re all off to Bristol CSC in a monsoon,in the green…
BT
Would love to but that would prob miss ko back in town.
Looking forward to the Tifo
LOL CSC