I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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MacJay
I remember one night going to a game on the 64 fae Dalmuir to Auchenshuggle. Young Gallagher fae Earl Street Scotstoun, smacked the bus windae twice at the whole feckin lot got shot. Bang Bang. Thankfully we were at Partick Cross and near the Western Infirmary. He put in the windae and burst some blood veins in his wrist.
ACGR
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Beatbhoy,
Going by your previous musical posts, I’m surprised you don’t know much about the Elevators!
I think you’re a man with similar musical tastes to mine. Which, inbuilt bias notwithstanding, must be a good thing!
I’ll try and keep an eye out for the Hootenanny arrangements for the 1st October – you never know I migh t get a pass and get back to my native Glasgow from sunny Tayport!
Just for you;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdB8gg88BhU
Mags,you remind me of Mags. ;))
The Cribs●Our Bovine Public
http://youtu.be/rLKL6iUFSQQ
Tomorrow I will miss my first league game at Celtic Park for many years.
To those who are going, stay safe. I hope your team wins by several goals.
acgr 12.19
yep, i put a very small cube in doublewood … a home poured dram for me is probably a treble so its not diluting it and my understanding is that it draws out the oils from it and enhances the flavour.?
not sure how to paste a link here using a tablet but look on youtube for the wakes new single called no human is illegal
Celtic FC. A football club that capitulates like no other.
DELANEYS DUNKY on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:20 AM
MacJay
I remember one night going to a game on the 64 fae Dalmuir to Auchenshuggle. Young Gallagher fae Earl Street Scotstoun, smacked the bus windae twice at the whole feckin lot got shot. Bang Bang. Thankfully we were at Partick Cross and near the Western Infirmary. He put in the windae and burst some blood veins in his wrist.
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Exactly the way we went to Celtic Park.
I was Earlbank Ave. The other side of Dumbarton Rd.
Western Infirmary ?
A wee story. True.
Late `70s , I had a mate was receiving surgeon at the Western on the evening of a game against the hun.
Anyway , a guy comes in with a broken arm which is tattooed with 1690 and King Bille , Aye Ready . You know the thing.
My mate`s job was to give him premed before going into theatre.
As he was doing this , he just looks at the guy and says :
” Oh , by the way . The surgeon`s a Tim “
Dharma Bam
Thanks, but I can only get links with m.youtube on my antique iPad!
Feel ignorant sometimes, as there are assuredly some great tunes being posted that I’d love, but I can never comment as I don’t know what they are unless someone names that tune/band.
So what was that one?
Beatbhoy
Cheers, unlike last season when I enjoyed the dandy dons winning as our nearest challengers am sure Brendan will blow all challengers aside, fellow Celtic fans good night n God bless
Feathered Fish by Sons of Adam (written by Arthur Lee)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQMuA-iztXY
Love on earth must be
Hail Hail and I hope we embarass this Frankenstein’s monster of a club tomorrow.
Depeche Mode- Enjoy The Silence.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDxM8-k60_M
The Archies
●Two Doves On A Lake (PLAY LOUD)
http://youtu.be/ZBewUBLwV7w
●Chunk
http://youtu.be/ezYBnwty8uw
MacJay
Nice one. Haha
The Western closed last year.
It is now part of Glasgow University’s ever expanding programme of educating the masses. :)
Beatbhoy,
the link you were asking about was Slip Inside This house (mono) by the 13th Floor elevators.
Antique Ipad?! I have my daughter’s laptop – I never knew there were so many shades of make up!
Delaneys,
don’t mention universities or you’ll have TD having a rant about students
Dharma Bam
Well, wore out Forever Changes, so I’ll give that a listen tomorrow, thanks.
The Flaming Lips- Do you Realize?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lPXWt2ESxVY
Dharma Bam
So have you settled on your colour now, though?
DELANEYS DUNKY on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:40 AM
I wandered round that area last October with the kids. Past the nurses home of happy memory. And up to the Uni . where I spent a few years. Into the Union and beer bar which is now unisex.
How standards have fallen.
:-)
Stay safe! Y’all!
Jethro Tull- Living In The Past
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YmPwYhHX_jY
brilliant street singer,
go on home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho7UxZol6xc
Gordybhoy
Hope you are enjoying Mexico.
Warmer than oor Bankie paradise??? :))
MacJay is your man for all things Mexican.
Haha! I’m not ashamed to say it’s a greeny-blue!
I know it’s not what you’re referring to, but I never could see the point of not wearing a colour, simply because it’s a certain shade. I’ve got blue eyes!
With one exception; royal blue. I’m afraid that, despite blue being my favourite colour, that’s is one that I have never found attractive.
Guess that prejudice might make me the “as bad as them”.
DD an AÇGR…..it might be a Wednesday night now , but the invitation’ s still there…End October.
the scotlands game programme last night.
i thought they did Jock Stein proud.
very poignant. even souness. and no doubting ernie walker and fergies love of him,
jimmy steele crying as he goes on the bus had me filling up,
Mondays – Country Song
http://youtu.be/vVFedhJYeQE
AWEHFURRAPUFFcsc
Delaneys,
aye 30 degrees in Playa del Carmen today,
nice day at the beach before getting ready for dinner,
not gonna watch the game and will get the result on here when I waken up,
watching CNN and Fox news election coverage , they dont even try to hide their bias
DELANEYS DUNKY on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:51 AM
Gordybhoy
Hope you are enjoying Mexico.
Warmer than oor Bankie paradise??? :))
MacJay is your man for all things Mexican.
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Wetbax `r us.
MacJay
It is truly shocking. Saint Thomas Aquinas, Jordanhill has similar amounts of pupils attending Glasgow Uni as Saint Als Garnethill these days. I blame the Catholic education system. ;)
GORDON64 on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:33 AM
Celtic FC. A football club that capitulates like no other.
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I hope that strong drink has been taken, you’ve temporarily taken leave of your senses and that you’ll regret the above remark in the morning. Very disappointed in you Gordon64 :-((
St Stivs 12.50am
Anto Stokes can fair hold a tune :-)
GORDYBHOY64 on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:56 AM
Delaneys,
aye 30 degrees in Playa del Carmen today,
nice day at the beach before getting ready for dinner,
not gonna watch the game and will get the result on here when I waken up,
watching CNN and Fox news election coverage , they dont even try to hide their bias
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Fox is wildly pro-Trump.
C.N.N. is more balanced.
FFS!
We complain about the Scottish media but all of the .ie Irish papers are talking about OF this and OF that.
I’ve emailed editors cnuts!
3-0 will do nicely today
Cmon the hoops
the Chambers Brothers and “Funky”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVJlCVPhhwY
DHARMA BAM on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:53 AM
Haha! I’m not ashamed to say it’s a greeny-blue!
I know it’s not what you’re referring to, but I never could see the point of not wearing a colour, simply because it’s a certain shade. I’ve got blue eyes!
With one exception; royal blue. I’m afraid that, despite blue being my favourite colour, that’s is one that I have never found attractive.
Guess that prejudice might make me the “as bad as them”.
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Ditto. Blue is also the colour of my eyes and my favourite colour. Colour is of little importance. It is what you believe in that counts. Incidentally, I also cannot stand Royal Blue.
Macjay1,
as you say, but I still think CNN are favouring Clinton in their coverage but nowhere near as bad as Fox and Trump
Heidiespeak – a hard habit to break.
Lennie(in whom we trust) Hibbert – Village soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv-iLWWnOwk