I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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BLANTYRETIM
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Morning amigo, hope all is well.
The vile hoards should still be out of football at all levels whilst under investigation until, all the stolen money is paid back and, all the stolen trophies stripped.
Sadly, that was never going to happen.
Know why ?
Because Celtic’s paying supporters accept being put at the back of the bus.
Firstly, by the club PLC-Hierarchy who have, continually sold the soul of Celtic for an easy ride from the establishment.
Shame-Game
LNS
OBA
When will we see ballsy leadership ?
The answer is, not until the old-firm-orientated-PLC-Hierarchy are replaced by, rebellious Celtic supporters.
Sadly, that looks a long way off.
Unless,……a series of mibbery-defeats, wakens the Junglists in the Celtic support of today.
Until then, back of the bus it’ll be.
The Wearing Of The Green culture is just around the corner….imho.
HH
According to this it’s not just the club that’s masquerading? Very strange.
https://johnjamessite.com/author/sitonfence/
Kev
Keep up the fight mate, our day will come
KEVJUNGLE
I’m not going today, I don’t watch cheats and liars, only my opinion.
BLANTYRETIM
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Cheers mate.
Guid tae see the fenian’s fae the ole tyre are on the march ;-)
Bless em.
TONYDONNELLY67
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Well, if yer no into cheats and liars
why do you give Celtic PLC-Hierarchy yer money ? ;-)
C’mon the students – CSC ;-)
HH
tonydonnelly67 on 10th September 2016 9:57 am
KEVJUNGLE
I’m not going today, I don’t watch cheats and liars, only my opinion
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Not a very nice thing to say about Celtic.
Dearie me, Paul67…. tell that to the creditors ……are you trying to endorse / justify the lie ? …… Wonder what your opinion will be when they fill up the emergency wards, and vandalise our stadium today…. not to mention polluting our atmosphere with their vile songs of hate and sectarianism …..thank God I will not be part of THAT audience….
Never mind, once the HMRC overturn the appeal, justice will, at last, be seen to be done ……they are trying to sweep all the corruption under the carpet but, in the final analysis, truth and justice WILL prevail….
KevJ
As I have said previously my own gripe with the PLC could not prevent me from giving mini the enjoyment of going to the games in her teens.
She has had her ticket for about 8 years now, gone are the days of having to take her gameboy to the matches to keep her entertained
She has been in section 111 for a few years and loves the new standing section
Close as the kids will ever get to the real jungle atmosphere☘☘
Miss GFTB Hoopy Birthday
Stay safe tims
Hail Hail
Annoying to see Celts nit picking amongst themselves. Regardless of our differences today we should all be standing shoulder to shoulder & backing our team. Whether in the Stadium, Pub or Home.
Dear, dear……..anyway,…..
going away to hing ma black cape out on the rope.
Oh, afore ah go……prediction…..?
Hmmmmm….?
……mibbery…….
Don’t shoot the messenger – CSC
….off-oot…….
BOGNORBHOY
still not secured a boozer in Menorca for citeh game yet
I’ll post on here when I confirm a location
We must play as if there are no more games no more tomorrows.
Jock Stein
BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:06 AM
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Brilliant, just brilliant.
Love as always – bye.
Morning Celts
I wont be going today(surprise eh)
Sevco and their pals on the PLC…..Liars.
Hope the bhoys smash those cheating bigots to bits.
Be safe out there bhoys.
HH
GFTB
Best wishes to your wee ghirl!
They are no wee for long, so enjoy!
See you at the October Hoot?
Morning all
Be heading off to the match soon. Same trepidation I used to have when we played the original Rangers and no plans to go out in town after the match win, lose or draw They might not be the same duck but they are still ducks. Not nice ducks either
As for the game- well I think it will be tighter than a lot of people are predicting. The Rangers men I have spoken to think they will lose and lose heavily and scores of 4 or 5 nil to us are being bandied about. I think if we had played them last weekend we would have destroyed them. But international breaks can do things to momentum- and at least twice under Ronny D such breaks allowed us to regroup. Warburton might be an unmentionable but he is not Ally McCoist or Kenny McDowell either
I think we will win – odd goal in 3 – and not play particularly well and that ‘Rangers’ show will be praised and probably with some justification. But I recall the dark days of the 90s when we quite often played well against them but lost and duly went into freefall in the folowing weeks. The same thing will happen to them. I hope.
Stay safe and mon the Hoops
Jim
Hail Hail… looking forward to Brendan’s team being let loose on the new club, and really confident we will win in style today !
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Wee beach bar – way down south . 32 @ 11 am . . Things back to normal . August over , the tourist hordes have gone .
Entertainment today is Atletico Madrid / Celta Vigo and then La Vuelta . The latter will draw the bigger crowd .Lots of cyclists / cycling fans in Sicily . La Vuelta and the Giro D’Italia are much preferred to the stinks to high heaven Tour de France . ( Rightly IMO )
I shall wait until the cycling has finished before learning the result of today’s farce re Temporary Licence FC
Tonydonnllly doesn’t watch cheats and liars?
But loves telling us how great our cheating and lying board are?
Confused.com
BLANTYRETIM IS PRAYING FOR THE KNOX FAMILY on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:09 AM
Cheers
Sitting here in Costa at the forge, enjoying a wee coffee with my bhoy. Too excited to eat. Parkhead Forge is green and white!!!!
HH
I will be avoiding today’s game, too toxic for me but I hope all get home safely. I don’t share the confidence I see from some on here. I see both sides scoring. Cmon the hoops.
A cloudy morning in Tenerife, that’ll teach the numptys for meaning about the heat!
Every body stay calm today and let events unfold, I will catch up on here later. The temptation to find a bar tp watch the bigot fest in, will be ignored.
HH
Good Link Tony, JJ puts all the joke journalists to shame.
Hail Hail Bhoys,
Mon the Hoops.
KLV
If anybody was in any doubt that the PLC would back the Hun agenda.
Its crystal clear now.
Nobody likes Liars.
A Celtic PLC bending over for the Huns, shame on them.
Apologies if posted previously…..
https://johnjamessite.com/
TOSB
No harm meant by the ‘Heidiespeak’ remark earlier.
Just the way your post sounded in my head!
The Rowan Atkinson clip shows why I could never have been a Headmaster.
Nae diplomatic skills!
We’re on the road again
Stay safe in numbers CSC
Hail Hail
Well, I ran for the cause there and managed 21m 21s, so as per my ‘promise’ a couple of pages ago I’m now expecting The Bhoys to score 7 today. Which would be quite nice.
Doors to automatic…..
Desertbhoy
Sipsini has the package mate, mini BT took them in this morning as he is in No.7 today
Just witnessed a horde walking down Springfield Road singing their songs of hate – complete with police escort.
They may be a new club but the support is the same. In some ways I think they seem more bitter than ever.
Why would anyone have missed this mob visiting Celtic Park?
Too much self indulgence, laziness and sneering from our support.
Fly a big funny banner, is the sum of our ire.
Look for the “new”word in match programme, before venting at the club.
Some Celtic supporters refusing to support OUR club, due to the actions of other lying cheats. Go figure.
That lot are united, it might be a cowardly pack of bigoted jackals but they’ll stick together today.
Hatred is a strong motivator and opponent.
Hope Brendan has the players in the right frame of mind.
We are not.
Good morning Timland.
Been to the butchers and greengrocers; veggies washed and prepped. Meat prepped. All whilst listening to the Wolfetones.
Looking forward to pumping them today.
Everyone keep safe on the way to and from the game today!
FAC the Act
KTF
Lets leave all the Mud Slinging aside for one day & band together as one to support our Great Club. One combined Consciousness to will our team into such a performance that Der Hun will wish it had withered out of existence back in Doomsday 2012.
BT
Thanks bud.
Possibility I might make a flying visit for the Borussia game next month, but will be lastminute.com and then I’ve got to source a ticket.
If the PLC dont call out sevco as a new club, they are backing the Hun agenda, to make money.
There is no defence for that imo
Celtic PLC….Silent, therefore condoning the BIG HUN LIE.
No two ways about it.