I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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MacJày,
Sorry abòut the làst time we spoke: I spelt “Aòighe bha” ….I probaly spelt it wronģ..but it’s Gaelic for “goodnight”.
I know tomorrow is a big occasion and as always I want a hun annihilation. However, it is with retrospective sadness on a grand scale that tomorrow is symbolic of an opportunity that was lost to abandon a scourge and as far as I am concerned Celtic PLC were and are complicit in its filthy revival.
BEATBHOY
Were you a heidie?
Hell mend yeez
DELANEYS DUNKY on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 12:56 AM
MacJay
It is truly shocking. Saint Thomas Aquinas, Jordanhill has similar amounts of pupils attending Glasgow Uni as Saint Als Garnethill these days. I blame the Catholic education system. ;)
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I`m delighted to see that.
When I said standards had fallen , I was speaking about a mixed beer bar.
Used to be called a ” saloon bar.”
Keith Lynn – My sweet Lord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJGj4JjLL8Y
GORDYBHOY64 on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:01 AM
Macjay1,
as you say, but I still think CNN are favouring Clinton in their coverage but nowhere near as bad as Fox and Trump;
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Absolutely agreed.
What an unbelievable choice for the world.
Trump or Clinton.
ALASDAIR MACLEAN on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:05 AM
MacJày,
Sorry abòut the làst time we spoke: I spelt “Aòighe bha” ….I probaly spelt it wronģ..but it’s Gaelic for “goodnight”.
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Nae worries , pal.
Buenas noches tae yersel.
The Ozark Mountain daredevils – It couldn’t be better, as it reminds of Mrs Dharma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1e9H01btw
Macjay1,
are you a regular in Mexico, any suggestions for Playa del Carmen
Alasdair
It is a pain. I am still coming up for the match. Marcus has offered me his house in Inverness to kip. Chris has said I can stay in Dingwall at his flat. Think I will stay that night wi my Godson in Dingwall. Hope we meet again that night.
TOSB
Yes, this is me here!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ppVpdsClN80
Headmaster kills student.
DD : That Western Infirmary as was is where grandaughter starts this week (freshers) at the School of Medicine Glasgow University as they call it! Small world.
First reggae hit in U.K. that I can remember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S19JttIGo0Q
Later came the widely banned Judge Dredd.
Can ● Dizzy Dizzy
http://youtu.be/gOfWKzMgeac
Macjay1,
not too clued up on US politics but I see Clinton and just think liar and untrustworthy, see Trump and think headcase
Macjay,
For an old right wing reactionary, you have occasional good taste in music.
No doubt, you will return the faintly praising damnation in equal measure!
Hail Hail!
Lets see
The TV legitimization of a Fraud in preparation for an election.
Where have we seen that before?
The intellectualism of Trump cannot be trumped…
He is going to abandon NATO
He is going to do energy deals with Putin
He is going to fire America’s generals and deal with ISIS in a month with his own secret plan
He is going to sell nuclear weapons to South Korea and Japan
“whats the point of nuclear weapons if your not going to use them”
he is going to ban muslims from entering the USA and put the ones that are already in the USA legally on a register
He is going to deport 11 million latinos
He is going to build a 1100 mile 50 ft high wall and not pay for it
The truth is he is not going to do shit but empty the treasury
same as clinton?
Tim Twats of the world unite!
Pistols ● (c’mon Celtic beat them into) Submission
http://youtu.be/WzCfESR17p8
BBC Who Do You Think You Are (2014) | Billy Connolly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIMmTkKRpGw
Cosy Corner
Hope the wean excells in her profession and saves my life in the future when I need her.
See you in CC soon.
Canny sleep too nervous about the morra ….
How come posters who do protest a lot refer to the new club as the Huns either it’s them or it’s not, have a look at the live updates the morra and see if Falkirk were promoted last season would there be the same interest and the same fans who aren’t bothered about the morra will they just treat it as a game against Hibs if they got promoted ??? Get off your iPads & computers and very high horses sometimes Cqn can be great but sometimes it’s up its own arse….we are playing the same fans that I grew up with flinging every (EBT) winning title down my throat when I was going to every game, was I cheated ? Nope, I was going to watch Celtic whoever “won” the league
GORDYBHOY64 on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:13 AM
Macjay1,
are you a regular in Mexico, any suggestions for Playa del Carmen
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My wife is Mexican , mate.
I don`t know that part of the country , however………
Only one thing I would suggest.
Out of the resort and see real Mexico and Mexicans.
Perhaps in a group.
Folkloric dancing .
Cantinas where they drink pulche .
Proper Mexican food……….. Mole verde .
Mole rojo.
Maybe take taxis on the advice of hotel staff.
The caveat. Be careful. No gold Rolexes. Don`t look like rich gringos.
Anyway , that`s what I would be doing.
Even , if poss., go with a local who knows the score.
Hope that doesn`t alarm you , but Mexico can be dangerous.
COSY CORNER BHOY on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:14 AM
DD : That Western Infirmary as was is where grandaughter starts this week (freshers) at the School of Medicine Glasgow University as they call it! Small world.
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Mate.
Some achievement.
You`ll be a happy man.
DHARMA BAM on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:19 AM
Macjay,
For an old right wing reactionary, you have occasional good taste in music.
No doubt, you will return the faintly praising damnation in equal measure!
Hail Hail!
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Well , pal.
There`s a lot to react to on C.Q.N.
Bam by name.
Pot by nature ?
:-)
DD,
The first place you’ll get to is the roundabout before Dingwall,,,and that’s where I am. We’ll speak again…but oor hoose is the ideal stop there for a refresh.
Looking forward to seeing you.
GFTB
Had a great night wi Lennybhoy of your parish. I raised your name in praise. Would love a night in Coatbrig again wi you bhoys.
Macjay1,
cheers for the advice, not sure icould talk the mrs into that
GORDYBHOY64 on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:17 AM
Macjay1,
not too clued up on US politics but I see Clinton and just think liar and untrustworthy, see Trump and think headcase.
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For me , simple.
Clinton. Judged on what she has said and done.
Trump. Judged on what he has said.
Both feral capitalists. No difference there.
But a choice has to be made.
GORDYBHOY64 on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:39 AM
Macjay1,
cheers for the advice, not sure icould talk the mrs into that
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That`s the golden rule , mate.
:-)
Not long now until me and the Wee Guy go to watch the Celtic play.
The New Club needs to be put Firmly in their place.
Sicken them
1stminutevirusplease.CSC
AMac
The only place I know in Dingwall is the pub at the train station. Boomer has recovered from injury and wants McEveley’s place in the team. He has just turned 20. He needs first team time at RC.
Look forward to meeting you and good lady again.
He is wearing the Griffiths Shirt.
Macjay
That’s the spirit!
Only pots under the bed; no reds!
aff oot
Petec,
hope you and the bhoy have a great day,
2 in the first ten minutes will do for me
The Only One I Know.
We have something really Special about to happen.
TheYoungOnes.CSC
gordybhoy64,
Thanks m8ty.
Aidan had to endure the hatefilled Hertz Support early doors. He is relaxed about being alongside the ZOMBIES.
Get the ba’ in the net Celtic – keep puttin it in there.
I hope you are doing well buddy. That was a Great day oot in Dundee.
Right dinner time for me,
all those going take care,
the new lot are even worse than before